dangerous dogs on itv thurs 9.00

Another program on about irresponsible dog owners showing the number of dog attacks in the UK so everyone with a bull type dog will be tarred with the same brush sick of these idiots ruing it for us dog lovers

I've read the description and got a feeling it's going to make me lose my temper... but will watch and see.

Might have to take a look and see what it is about, is it just going to be focused on bull-breeds?

I think its about time they focus on other breeds, as they are just as bad, but just dont get the press, makes me so angry!

Will be interesting to see what they say, set it to record!

To be fair, the (disturbing) preview involving two rspca inspectors and a 'dangerous' dog involves a badly-treated Japanese Akita. Here's the link: http://www.itv.com/presscentre/press-releases/dangerous-dogs-preview-thursday-20-march-itv#.Uymhjfl_uSo
Poor dog. Can someone explain, why are the inspectors screaming at the dog? Is that part of the training?

I can't watch it, it will only make me angry   

they aren't rspca inspectors, they are two council dog wardens. I hope the rest of the series doesn't show bad handling of dogs like that clip, Im sure Birmingham council will get some complaints due to the way that poor dog was handled.

hells85 wrote:they aren't rspca inspectors, they are two council dog wardens

Well spotted. The RSPCA here (called SSPCA in Scotland) have black and white uniforms like that.

Whatever...... I still think (naively?) that persons employed to look after dogs would (surely?) have some kind of training. Any screaming around Douglas certainly gets him very upset indeed.

But they have a difficult job. I would not like to see the things that the wardens have to see. It's not the wardens who are the baddies in this drama. We know where the blame lies.

I wasn't being arsey, its just the RSPCA get slated a lot, sometimes fairly and sometimes not. I have only had good experiences with the RSPCA personally. I fully agree that the clip is disturbing with them screaming and shouting at the poor dog and that there job is difficult, it doesn't make it right to scream and shout at the dog. Of course the blame will always lie at the feet of the people who abuse, neglect and mistreat these animals.

Shouting while in the presence of an already stressed out dog is certainly not the thing to do. It only makes the situation more hightened. I haven't watched the clip, sorry but I will not be able to watch he program either. This things just stress me out and get me upset.

Everybody reacts differently to aggressive dogs, I would never handle a dog like these wardens have and I doubt very much that they have much training but that sounded like a panic reaction from the handler to me, sometimes adrenaline takes over. I've seen even in the quietest of people start to scream and shout when they've been in a sticky situation with a dog, making a noise at something perceived to be a threat is just a knee jerk primal reaction, though they really should learn to calm themselves.

The dog wardens that I worked with were great; very quiet, calm and confident and had sufficient training to work with aggression. There really is not a nice way to use a grasper pole and it often looks hideous but how many dogs are you going to be able to handle when you've had your arms eaten by trying to put a lead on one that clearly doesn't want handling? It's usually the dog thrashing around rather than the handler pulling them around.

I`m not sure if i will be watching i hate watching anything that can be upsetting.

Well here's something to lighten the spirits then. An antidote to the sad video with the dog wardens:



This is the dog that is not allowed on the bed.

I seen this on the news this morning it class so we all know what our beauties get up to when were out brilliant 

Very funny   

I will VERY RELUCTANTLY  watch in order to gather my facts and responses to the countless ignorant people that will misconstrue what is shown and confront me when walking Barney.

Must say im glad that none of the blame was on the dog.

I thought that this programme was fair and showed the real problem. It did not (so far) conform to the usual Media hype and mis representations.

Truly shocking and upsetting though. Dogs should be re homed and Owners PTS!

Funny how the staffs were the ones that attacked the other dogs!! My mila would lick you to death before she hurt you..Yet again poor media for the dogs!!

Just watched it and I am just shocked at what people can get away with! A guy is allowed to purposely starve his dog and only get a warning?

I didnt watch it and glad I didnt from some of your comments. Too upsetting............

I was worried about watching it but was surprise it was no where near as bad as i thought it be.
The prat with the white staff wants to crawl under a rock and die of shame for the way he behaved. The guy that starved his dog should of got more than a warning.

oh my god who trained that rspca inspector!!!! surely u keep your cool in that sort of situation as you would if you were a police officer!!! there is no hope for the dog population in this country if thats how todays inspectors respond! hope the dog is well looked after

Chris1810 wrote:Funny how the staffs were the ones that attacked the other dogs!! My mila would lick you to death before she hurt you..Yet again poor media for the dogs!!

A fair few dogs off all breeds would likely fight with a neighboring dog if allowed to get to it, good to see tho it backed up the theme of the programme with the incompetance of the owners that those staffys were being allowed to inbreed they clearly weren't exercised, did not know how to walk on a lead poorly socialized

The Akita I think also showed how neglect coupled with protection of his home caused it to be fearful and aggressive and just a week out of that toxic environment it was happy and playful and cleared for rehoming

Yes it was distressing to see but I think a fair look at the 'dangerous dogs' and looks like next week has a bit of focus on 'type' investigation. The Birmingham dog warden tho just came across as incompetent at times her fear around the Akita clearly didn't help the situation and so the house was full of poop get over it (sadly) surely that's not a new experience

i called this programme back and yes the dog warden maybe didnt handle the akita as well as she could of but i think she was becoming destressed and frustrated (that and she has a generallly screachy voice anyway) but some of the abuse she puts up with is digraceful that bloke that had his face blurred out that was actuallly threatening her with physical violence should have been named and shamed what an arse! his dog got out of his collar at least 3 times whilst arguing with warden near abusy road! the programme made me angry and upset at how some people treat animals and how pathetic the law is on dealing with these morons! things need to change but in the favour of the dog not the idiots that clearly have no idea on how to care for or be responsible its shocking!!

It is a shame that nether neighbour thought to get the fence fixed it would of saved the small dog being attacked. If other dogs were coming into my garden i would of wanted it fixed asap especially knowing the idiot next door had little control and did not care what happened. I`m surprise more was not done after her dogs attacked another and hurt it badly.

i know and that poor old lady had over £800 in vet bills the council and laws need to get a grip on this sort of anti social behaviour that to be quite honest some of these people that have dogs cant even wipe their own backsides let alone look after a dog or dogs (which is even more scary to think about) i hope this programme opens the eyes of some of the people that can see where the problem begins and can do something positive about it!

Ur right there can't understand some fokes looking after a dog iis a lot harder than it looks a dogs lifes not just for Christmas its for many years its just an image with a lot of people!

Another one tomorrow night, will be in tears again no doubt!!   

Watching this now really getting wound up,I really think some of these people need to be taken out and shot. I really hope now this is in public these people can be banned from having any living creature ever again ( I do understand this is easier said than done) I do think the ones who have there faces blurred,well they shouldn't blur them out let everyone see who these revolting people they are

a team of 20 police officers in cardiff all dressed up as robo-cop just to check insurance details for pit-bulls!!!!!
when my mothers house was robbed last year we couldn't get 1 to turn up.

Mate ur right  aye it a dog wardens job not the police nothing else better to do!

I didn't watch tonight's show I find it too upsetting but I would like to know how the programme was in fairness. Did it put a bad light on staffies or did they focus on bad owners? Do you think it will bring out all the Staffie haters?

The first story was of a staffy who "suddenly turned" and attacked his family but nothing about his background, so that will probably bring up some bullsh*t. The rest was quite focused on pit bulls and their lovely and responsible owners (not even being sarcastic, the guy had me in years saying bye to his dog) and a few more PTS cases. Also a hideous irresponsible animal hoarder with 3 staffies and a litter of pups who didn't even let them out into the back garden, just let them crap all over the house, pups were covered in mess too but with 150,000 cruelty cases last year, it's just impossible to police and you can really only save the extreme cases. Heartbreaking as usual, but although the anti staffie brigade will always find something, I think it put quite a positive light on them xx

That waste of oxygen women let her dogs constantly breed, and the dog mounting the bitch on heat... More puppies!!!! Aargh!!

Why was that guy saying bye to his dog? I thought if the dog is thought to be type but not dangerous the courts usually just make you register it etc? I'm glad I didn't watch it now . Where they pit bulls or just Staffie crosses? Sorry for all the questions! Xx

well you have to go to court some people jsut dont brother

Ai nice to see the 'type' dogs being returned to their owners after assessment Think the chap had convinced himself that the dog would be taken permanently bless its giant bag of toys that giant eyore would not be intact here, and also glad that they mentioned the Jack Russell death

Heartbreaking at times but overall a good couple of shows I've previously had to seize a dead pup (and a horse for that matter) so the RSPCA can investigate the deaths for cruelty cases and also attend a vet to confirm a boxer was pts after attacking a 14yr old in the house so see some of the other side, there isn't the status breed issue where I work but inner cities will have specific teams that do that 24/7

Another fair program I thought. Showing the true problem as the Owners and not the Dogs.

Upsetting and frustrating but no complaints about the Program.

Agreed. It was fair. If blame is put where blame is due, it is with the owners. The DDA needs to be repealed immediately and replaced with a DOA (Dangerous Owners Act). The wardens should have more powers to take action and the law should be able to smack these disgusting people hard, especially the irresponsible breeders. A lifetime ban from keeping animals is more like what is required, not a short fixed term. The dog warden from the Midlands should get herself in the New Years Honours and paid an MP's wages.

I can't watch it, it's far to upsetting

i watched last nights programme (except the bit where they put the stray pitbull to sleep) it made me sick the morons crying on it, that man that was crying about his pitbull being seized if he had followed the law and registered etc etc his dog would not have been taken away from him in the first place as with the young lady who hadnt kept her insurance up on her pitbull (saying shes my only protection) rubbish then get a doberham or a dog thats not banned! and as for that hideoius woman that was not only smoking whilst holding a 4 week old puppy had the front to cry when the warden took the runt of the litter off of her!! well im speachless! i couldnt be a dog warden id be jailed for assault on these owners (if u can even call some of them that) what i found about the programme is that how little the law can do to stop these idiots!

I did think it was fair a little upsetting in parts and that woman made me mad. I just wished they had taken all the dogs of her. The woman was a lazy dirty thing and that is not love for an animal.

Some of the Owners shown obviously have some mental issues. It is so sad for the Dogs that ANYBODY can own them. I am not sure how you can legislate to improve the situation. The DDA is not the way to go.

Agreed, the Guy should have obeyed the rules if he loved his dog that much (which he obviously did).

I thought the Dogs should be removed from the smoking woman. But then they will probably be condemned to be PTS. What is best for the Dogs? I'm not sure.

i think the best thing for the dogs that poor excuse for a woman (and i use that word lightly) should of been to take them away from her and to ban her from ever keeping any animal in her lifetime again!! any of us that work hard for a living are paying for the likes of her to carry on like this and the programme made me so angry that as always its the animal that is suffering! anyone on this forum that has the knowledge on how to go about changing the law id sign up to help in anyway i just wouldnt know where to start!

willowthewisp wrote:that man that was crying about his pitbull being seized if he had followed the law and registered etc etc his dog would not have been taken away from him in the first place as with the young lady who hadnt kept her insurance up on her pitbull (saying shes my only protection) rubbish......

You're right of course, I completely agree with you, that if these two persons had kept the rules then they would not have got into trouble. That is clear.

However, the central message of the programme - according to my interpretation - concerns the law itself. The case studies very carefully and powerfully illustrated what is wrong with the DDA. Take last week's nutter, Mark, in the high-rise block who was forcing his bitch to be constantly pregnant, selling the pups 'to anyone who wants them' at a cruelly young age. Take this week's nutter, whatever her name was, with the rabbits, cats in the bathroom, and pups caged in filth. The point is this: the whole country would have been screaming at these people, willing the wardens/inspectors and police to take the animals away to safety, prosecute the owners, and stop the cruelty. But they cannot do it - there is no current law that enables the inspectors to act. As the main warden character said at one point: if the animals are fed and have shelter and are not straying outside, she does not have the powers.

On the other hand, take the two pitbull owners. Neither animal had been reported for aggressive episodes, there had been no complaints; there was no question of cruelty. Here were well-loved pets, looked after by apparently responsible people. The 20 police with protective vests and riot shields turning up at the home of the crying woman in the bathrobe only succeeded in making themselves look like thugs. Overkill or what? The man who also cried when they came to take away his dog. Ok, he broke the law by not having the papers for a 'banned breed' but it is impossible (in my opinion) to not have some sympathy for him and respect for the obvious way in which he loved and cared for his dog.

So the message is: everything here is in topsy-turvy land. The people for whom the law needs to come down on hard - for the sake of the animals - they're untouchable! The people who look after their dogs (dogs that have been condemned by a flawed, short-sighted law) and cause no nuisance, they're treated like terrorists. The woman in the bathrobe episode, surely those are the tactics the police would have used if they'd thought there was a terrorist in that house sitting on top of a pile of semtex.

So while it's always a good idea to keep the law at all times, there are times when the law itself is wrong. The programme made this point very powerfully. As has been said ad nauseum, it's the bad owners that the law needs to target, not the poor dogs.

i see part of the problem being that the people featured on the 2 programes were mostly on benefits. your dole money is to support you and your family not to buy and feed an army of dogs and other animals. by and large these people dont bother with jabs and vets anyway and by the look if things they cant be bothered to feed either.
so lets price them out of the dog market! bring back the dog licence and make it £150 per dog per year and make the fines for non-conformity horriffic. make all breeders licenced and registered and make non-breeders nueter their animals.i know the price of puppies will go through the roof but it would stop the dodgy dog trade dead.
it will never happen but i for one would pay the licence for my dog without a second thought.

I`d just like to point out people on benefits can get free pet care from the PDSA and these problem should not be about wither someone is claiming or not. People can come out of work through no fault of there own and are good pets owners.
The two cases involving the woman with all the animals and the guy looked to me like health problems. The guy looked like an alcoholic and the woman had to be suffering from mental health condition of some kind. I think all the animals should of been removed from both of them.
Personally i would be happy to pay for a dog license if it solved the problem

yes i agree and maybe my words were a little harsh but if i tell you that two of my unemployed tennants have just bought two akita puppies at £600 each (so i am told) then surely anyone can see my point.
your bebefits are for living on not buying ridiculously expensive status dogs.