Inbreeding blue dogs

I fear that their is going to problems with the blue ataffy here in ireland, since i got lola i have been looking into staffys in ireland alot and noticed that almost all blue pups have the same sire. "Bowser blue eyes" or atleast clame to. As far as i no lola isnt but i feel it will destroy the colour over here. Any toughts?????

It's the same over here in the UK. So many pups seems to have Blue Bouncer in their lines.

It's a recipe for disaster, but I feel that what's even worse is breeding from two blue parents.

Ya i agree, i am very new to all the ins and out of breeding.( which i dont intend to do) i dont think that a system is in place over here to check wat % inbred dogs are but lola mum was black with fawn and dad was solid blue so hopefully she isnt high.

The colour is already destroyed and has been for many years, half of them dont even look like good standard staffies. Thats why i dont like blues.

Hargar wrote:Ya i agree, i am very new to all the ins and out of breeding.( which i dont intend to do) i dont think that a system is in place over here to check wat % inbred dogs are but lola mum was black with fawn and dad was solid blue so hopefully she isnt high.

How do you mean black with fawn?

Do you mean she was black brindle?

The inbreeding coefficient and blue x blue mating are two entirely different things.

You can roughly see how inbred (or not) your dog is by seeing if there's the same name mentioned twice or more in a 10 generation pedigree. A 5 generation pedigree is too short, it doesn't give you enough data to see if the same sire/dam has been used extensively.

Blue x blue mating is a money spinning exercise because of the popularity of blues at the moment (to the detriment of the breed as a whole). It's creating a massive amount of blue dogs which are badly bred and often suffer from various allergies.

Ya sorry brindle and black. Fawn staffy was walking past as i wrote. I no they two differnt things just said it as you had said about the blue x blue breeding. I think all that is available is a 5 year here ill have to look into it.

I'm sure you can get an extended pedigree from the Irish KC? They'll charge for it, though!

I just sent off an email to ikc about a 10 generation pedgree. Will c what they say.

I know the English KC do an extended pedigree, but I've never had need to ask the Irish! 

This is the choice the ikc gave me

it's not just the blue all colour are being inbred i would keep away from close line dogs

What are close line dogs????

dogs that are all bred from the same breeders own dogs. they are usually related in some manner.

Hayley wrote:dogs that are all bred from the same breeders own dogs. they are usually related in some manner.

nothing about the same breeder, close line is keeping it in the family etc. half sister to half brother, cousins and so on we lucky in the uk becasue on the kennel website you can see how inbred a dog is

Orite, the man i got lola from owned both the parents.

I have noticed a lot of blues being off breed standard. My Lily although beautiful is not breed standard, people have bred for colour not for good examples of the breed.  

Hayley wrote:dogs that are all bred from the same breeders own dogs. they are usually related in some manner.

Hargar wrote:Orite, the man i got lola from owned both the parents.

Just because the breeder owns both dogs to say it makes high COI is wrong . Tommy's breeder owns both parents , this means I can see they are extremely well cared for selected and a good temperament , Mum is now retired but has given 2 litters of beautiful pups with the same Dad and the result is a COI of 2% , no pups have ever been bred again

For example if I were to pick 2 pups from my breeder with a COI of 2 %  and different litters and put them together the COI would rise to 28% , same mum , same dad , Mate select site reports a close mating and pups could not be registered  with the KC in the UK   ( don't know about Ireland though  )

If Tommy (2%) were to mate with his Grandma on the Fathers side (3%)   they would make pups of  17%  as the commonalities are further back in the line , but still not good