"Dear Breeders. Stop, just stop."

http://bourbondog.wordpress.com/2014/04/09/dear-breeders-stop-just-stop/

Couldn't agree more.

I bet there are quite a few things you can relate to there Rach and I also couldn't agree more Xx

Me too

sorry i cant agree with it  if good breeders stop then we have back yard breeder taking their place for the market who want an pups....

maybe an stop buying from back yard breeder campaign would be better?

the problem today is society & back yard breeders

Me three xx

Read it Steve

i have done there no mation about inbreeding their some so call good breeders who think it's ok for dogs to sleep with half sister and half brother i would class them back yard breeder also they may coem across like official breeders also

It isn't an indepth article about how to breed correctly, that's not the point of it at all, it's an article to state that breeders should be responsible about the puppies that they bring into this world. If it was to go into the tiny details of breeding that would take a whole other article.

As far as the article goes, and I'm concerned, a "good" breeder would take a puppy back if unwanted and would match pups to owners efficiently. If they aren't doing this, they're as bad as the BYB's.

sorry you all may think i'm on my soap box lol sorry but again KC breeders so call official breeders has take some blame for the problem today...

a lot of people stay away from the kennel club breeder becasue of the channel 4 tv show about them & if they showed the change.

we had an buyer on here the breeder said the COI does not matter of course it does!

we need teach people who are bad or good breeder then we may get rescue dogs down a little nut people will alway want to buy cheap

it's an good article rach but it need an little bit more, most if not all will take pups back but that doesn't mean the good breeders or owners

I totally agree, as it said in the article these breeders that aren't fussed about where their puppies are going are often very "well" bred and registered dogs.

"Here’s the bottom line: if you choose to bring a living being (in this case, a puppy) into this world, you better as hell make sure that animal goes to the right home. I don’t give a shit, frankly, if you have the most beautiful, healthy, conformation-perfect, whatever litters in the world – if you don’t make sure that puppy is going to a home that knows what they’re doing, you suck. You suck and you need to just stop. I’m the director of a small, hard-working rescue in the South that focuses on Australian Shepherds and other herding breeds. We get a lot – a lot – of dogs. We pull from shelters, as well as take in owner surrenders. In the month of March, our organization received fifteen forms from owners wishing to surrender their dogs. Of these fifteen, seven were for purebred Aussies purchased from breeders."

See! It's all breeders and although the article doesn't go into the depths of it I'm sure those that inbreed, those that don't health test, those that breed behaviourally unsound dogs (etc etc) would be classed by their irresponsible tag too. There just needs to be another article about these things.

I agree with you! We're on the same page! Stop arguing with me   

 i'm not arguing or want an argue   just saying   there always be back yard breeders it doesn't matter what we do, but kennel club breeders should behave better then they are now... these breeder meant to love our bred but be trying to kill off our breed's..

Good article Rachel, very true   

Okay, okay  I always hear really good things about breeders in other places around Europe.. which rules do they have that are different to ours that make it work so well? Or are their general morals just higher than ours in the UK?

i shock me when i watch the dog TV show where one of the top breeders said they not human who care how they bred! WTF   they part of the family! that why i'm soo COI mad!

I don't know why this stuff surprises me but it does I saw a photo on a bull dog breeders facebook and the poor dam's teets were literally dragging across the floor she'd been bred from so often, and he was offering her up for another litter! Makes me sick.

Rachel33 wrote:I don't know why this stuff surprises me but it does :(I saw a photo on a bull dog breeders facebook and the poor dam's teets were literally dragging across the floor she'd been bred from so often, and he was offering her up for another litter! Makes me sick.

I agree Rachel it's shocking. I have seen similar things. There was a dog advertised ftgh the other day with big teats stating she had the blue gene. She must have been too worn out for them to breed her again. Maybe there is more legislation in Europe  

crufts banned i think about 10 breeds the other year they was all allow back the last cruft ;)it would take more then an year to fix these problems it was just an publicity stunt! and so many people who support our brred show a support for the show!    do they really care about our breed it make you wonder doesn't it

can anybody really think you could fix the english bulldog in an year?

Good article Rach   

I've heard good things about dog laws in Sweden Claire! I know I bang on about rescue a lot, but I'm starting to think there's just as many problems on the other side too. Some of the worst cruelty cases that I'd ever seen came from dogs with their KC name stated proudly on their microchip. Just makes me angry. But then, it's the breeders to blame for all of these dogs being in rescue in the first place. If they bred and homed responsibly, and took dogs back that owners weren't coping with there would be far fewer dogs in rescue. Catch 22, makes my head hurt!

Couldn't fix them in 10!

Something needs to be done. There are a lot of bad KC breeders out there with their mini puppy farms   

do you all know king charlies spaniel health issue where you have to remove the top of the skull is now in staffy! this becasue of bad breeder & inter breeding


give me an min i will find an video of it

sad video

https://youtu.be/gAM75En7Png

sorry i would break me heart

https://youtu.be/ibKKT9oRh84

year and year of inter breeding so sad!

Wow, that is a brilliant article Rchael. I totally agree. It should be made as hard as it can be to purchase a puppy to stop these impulse buys. Also I believe that it should be made compulsory to microchip and neuter. If people have to neuter it would cut down on unwanted litters and the amount of dogs coming into rescue. People wouldn't see them as a money making machine if they had to be neutered. I am in favour of neutering and not just dogs, the same problem is associated with cats as well   

 so debs0109 you haven't read any of my posts, let all buy from all KC breeders?

debs0109 wrote:Wow, that is a brilliant article Rchael. I totally agree. It should be made as hard as it can be to purchase a puppy to stop these impulse buys. Also I believe that it should be made compulsory to  microchip and neuter. If people have to neuter it would cut down on unwanted litters and the amount of dogs coming into rescue. People wouldn't see them as a money making machine if they had to be neutered. I am in favour of neutering and not just dogs, the same problem is associated with cats as well   

Completely agree!

Steve wrote: so debs0109 you haven't read i post let all buy from all KC breeders?

Steve we agree with you also! But the piece is about homing pups - KC/ Back yard breeders are as bad as each other when it comes to this - if you look deeper then things reg; COI etc are just as bad but the article written is based about bringing a life into the world and what happens to it after the breeder has accepted payment - and the horrendous way so many are PTS because they have not been homed with a fit family/person that understands the full responsibility of owning a dog.

Like your opinion of unfit parents really, we are all agreeing on the same thing Xx

website wrote:Of my five dogs, two were purchased from breeders, and I will most certainly buy from breeders again. I like knowing my dogs’ bloodlines, and I will pay the money for a dog with health clearances.

is there any test for inbred dogs? well not what i know of till it's to late before we see your best frined stuffer! ask our king charles spaniel friends

webiste wrote:So what am I bitching about here? The breeders who don’t do their jobs. The breeders who just take their deposits and hand puppies off to the first people who write them a check. The breeders who don’t take their dogs back when the homes don’t work out.

most KC breeder will do this good or bad!

there no talk or any COI on that website at all why?

Because its about homing Steve! Nothing else and everything said is true. Not gonna debate it as we all agree!

Totally agree with you debs!! Steve, as Janey has said this article isn't about COI, it's about finding appropriate homes for the pups that have already been born. Those issues would make a different article.

Dear Breeders: Stop. Just stop.

^^ that rehoming? read it again janey!!   without your rescue head on please!!   

OMG!!   

all think ok to send back 25% inbred to an breeder who more then lightly to keep that dog in the family   becasue he or she an KC dog

Or they could just rehome that dog to a suitable home? Or maybe even not home it with an idiot in the first place? There's a reason for having a rescue head on.. I never had KC reg staffies in kennels, the 100s that I killed came from the BYB's because they're cheap enough to warrant giving up so easily. It's a good article, everyone agrees, it covers all points that it intended to, it got the point across. The points that you are bringing up are irrelevant for this article, and therefore invalid. We agree with your points and the videos are heartbreaking, but they should be discussed on a seperate thread about the topic your referring to?

sorry i care about recsue dogs & kc dogs sorry i know most will care first for rescues on here IMO we should care for the KC dogs also that why i am so anti crufts how can anybody support them, when they killing our breed ? they haven't banned half sister x half brother yet why?

why they haven;t banned half sister & half brother yet because they would lose to much money

I don't know why. There are too many problems that I've been concentrating on in the rescue world to have the time to learn about these atrocious excuses for KC breeders, we all date about all of our breed whether KC, BYB or rescue. But this topic is about those in rescue, which is why it's only these points being discussed. Both are as important as each other, and both deserve recognition and time put into their causes. But if I had posted a topic about COI I wouldn't expect people to start talking about rescue.. And vice versa. They're at opposite ends of the dog world, and breeding is something I have not had experience with due to being up to my neck in dead BYB puppies for the past 5 years. Now that I am more aware, I will make an effort to learn more. But I wouldn't expect to learn about it from a topic on finding the right homes.

*care not date. Autocorrect

i would rather it all said in one place then have 2/3 places about bad breeding.... not everyone is going research it sorry as a website own i see it on all pages

and this is the reason the kennel club wont do anything till another public out cry sorry...

Why people are so obsessed with pure-breds when so many of them (e.g. bulldogs/pugs) have inherent health problems that area result of even the best intentions by (some) breeders, is beyond me.

There are many many beautiful mutt dogs out there. It is all very well to breed dogs that conform to a contemporary idea of modern beauty but this does not take into account the potential life-span of the breed or any health problems that come with it. It would be nice if breeders focussed more on eliminating hereditary problems in the dogs they breed - just as scientists are trying to do with humans.

It is pointless, I often find - or perhaps I can't find the right words - to try and discuss rationally with someone dead set on a pedigree, the possibility of thinking of rescuing (even though there are plenty of pedigrees in rescue.)

I can understand it if you want a working dog, I suppose, but even a non-pedigree Staffy has been trained to be an excellent sniffer dog by an open-minded police officer. He had to battle for quite some time with the Force to drop their snobbery (and ignorance) of Staffies/Staffy crosses.

My pet peeve currently is fashionable dogs such as Labradoodles. There is actually a Labradoodle Rescue centre now as so many people bought them without actually using their heads.

Sometimes it is just the culture you grow up in. I know in some parts of the world it is considered "uncool" to buy puppies - rescuing is seen as much more morally acceptable.

I don't mean to offend anyone on here with a pedigree. It's just my opinion, born of the tens of abandoned dogs I see newly posted every day on Dogsblog.com

Rupertsbooks wrote:

I can understand it if you want a working dog, I suppose, but even a non-pedigree Staffy has been trained to be an excellent sniffer dog by an open-minded police officer. He had to battle for quite some time with the Force to drop their snobbery (and ignorance) of Staffies/Staffy crosses.

Its how pure breeds came about, crossbreed until you get a good mix and then interbreed to keep the chosen traits. its only been the last 50 or so years that the breed snobbery has started to ruin breed lines for showing. you only have to look at a working sibes compared to a show ones to see the difference..

The big problem is $$$ and people buying crosses they have no idea how to handle. i see all sides of the story here and agree with them all. three years ago people were breeding husky cross staffs as the ultimate pound for pound working pullers yet when people got them for a pet! and lost all there furnriture they started handing them into shelters and now they are full of them...same with staff cross lurchers. people need educating reseach before buying a dog be it a cross or pure breed.

all i care about is staffie, dog look like staffy,1/4 staffy, 1/3 staffys, 1/2 staffy or full breeds we should protect them all... bad KC breeders should not get away with just like backyard breeders...

i will not post this topic anymore sorry i just fell strongly about this..

I think dog shows should be banned as well, the KC has a lot of questions to answer basically. A lot of dogs are placed because of the owner, judges look at the wrong end of the lead, dog shows are very colicky so therefore just a waste of time. But as Steve says the KC won't do anything because of the money. It makes me sick really that dogs are suffering soo badly due to the greed of certain humans   

That should read clicky, sorry x

kinda agree i don't think any dog, cat, rabbit over breed animal. should be breed for about 5 years (five little years will NOT harm anyone except those who want to make money and we shouldn't care about them any ways) but at the end of the day its the people who put money in the pocket of irresponsible breeders, if they didn't, these back yard breeders would earn no money and won't do it any more.
So many people think their helping by buying that puppy thats in a bad condition and yes you are but you know what your also doing? making room for another pup...and another pup and another pup and what happens to them? (homeless/shelter/bait/fighting/abuse) its a vicious cycle and the only way to stop it, it to stop putting money in their pockets.

what about the back yard breeders? people who think the doing the right thing and ending up with 12 plus inbred dog?