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Post by Nosipho Wed Aug 31 2011, 12:14

Just saw this is trade-it, a liver coloured stafford for stud. Hes too cute but not sure too many people will use him as liver is an undesirable trait. Still, perfect for the back yard breeders who want staff's with that red-nose pitbull look....

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http://www.trade-it.co.uk/pets-dogs-staffordshirebullterrier/region-w-uk-bristol-south-west-avon-bristol/kcregisteredstaffyforStud-14862716.html
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Post by Guest Wed Aug 31 2011, 12:15

awww he's a gorgeous dude!

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 31 2011, 13:44

"rare red colour" - yeah sure

lovely though

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Post by Guest Wed Aug 31 2011, 14:10

He's gorgeous and sounds like a great dog, but reputable breeders would not (or I guess I should say "should not") breed a liver colored dog any more than they would breed a black and tan. It's an undesirable color outside of the breed standard.

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Post by Scubasteve Wed Aug 31 2011, 19:12

Aww he is gorgeous though!
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Post by dkay72 Wed Aug 31 2011, 19:25

ide have him and call him pattie......( liver pattie ) lol hes nice
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Post by shakespearesdog Thu Sep 01 2011, 12:33

Liver is undesirable in the breed standard because staffords should have black noses not red.
Black and tan is undesirable because its dominent over all other shades and to breed from this shade would mean that all staffies eventually became black and tan.
I personally think both colours are gorgeous and i would love a liver or b&t-but i would never breed from them!

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Post by Guest Thu Sep 01 2011, 12:36

shakespearesdog wrote:Liver is undesirable in the breed standard because staffords should have black noses not red.
Black and tan is undesirable because its dominent over all other shades and to breed from this shade would mean that all staffies eventually became black and tan.
I personally think both colours are gorgeous and i would love a liver or b&t-but i would never breed from them!

Same here. I would happily have a dog with those colours but would not breed from them.

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Post by Guest Thu Sep 01 2011, 13:21

I agree that both are gorgeous colors and would also gladly have a dog of either color, but that dog would definitely be neutered/spayed.

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Post by Guest Thu Sep 01 2011, 13:41

Same. Def neutered/spayed. Pity that some people only care about money and not the breed itself Sad

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Post by rascal-girl Fri Sep 02 2011, 05:26

Now, when it comes to "breed standards" etc I am a total newbie. What is wrong with breeding certain colours? Does it make the dog prone to illness or something? Is it bad for the dog? Rascal's mum is black and white, her dad is tan. Her grandmother was brindle, grandfather black and white.
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Post by rascal-girl Fri Sep 02 2011, 05:27

Oh, and Rascal is spayed as we think there are enough Staffys already looking for homes. We don't need to create more!
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Post by shakespearesdog Fri Sep 02 2011, 13:18

Now, when it comes to "breed standards" etc I am a total newbie. What is wrong with breeding certain colours? Does it make the dog prone to illness or something? Is it bad for the dog? Rascal's mum is black and white, her dad is tan. Her grandmother was brindle, grandfather black and white. .
The breed standard is just the proposed look of the dog breed in question. There is nothing wrong health wise with liver/black&tan dogs. However i assume that a black nose is preferred in staffords so they don't imitate apbt. Black&tan is unwanted because its a dominant pattern and would take over all other colours. (Like rottweilers) All white dogs in general are more prone to sensitive skin and allergies (and also deafness). Blue dogs that were bred from two blue parents can be more prone to allergies and skin conditions. Generally the other colours don't suffer from the same problems.

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Post by Guest Fri Sep 02 2011, 13:35

shakespearesdog wrote:
Now, when it comes to "breed standards" etc I am a total newbie. What is wrong with breeding certain colours? Does it make the dog prone to illness or something? Is it bad for the dog? Rascal's mum is black and white, her dad is tan. Her grandmother was brindle, grandfather black and white. .
The breed standard is just the proposed look of the dog breed in question. There is nothing wrong health wise with liver/black&tan dogs. However i assume that a black nose is preferred in staffords so they don't imitate apbt. Black&tan is unwanted because its a dominant pattern and would take over all other colours. (Like rottweilers) All white dogs in general are more prone to sensitive skin and allergies (and also deafness). Blue dogs that were bred from two blue parents can be more prone to allergies and skin conditions. Generally the other colours don't suffer from the same problems.
The black nose is probably a health thing. Dogs with red or blue noses are dilutes and can often have skin allergies/sensitivities. Especially when you breed two dilute parents for the purpose of having dilute pups. As for deafness in white dogs, that is only if there is no color whatsoever near the ears (often accompanied by a pink nose). That is probably why the AmStaff standard says that no dog can be more than 80% white.

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Post by Steve Fri Sep 02 2011, 14:05

the main reason why liver and black and tan are not allowin the staffordshire bull terrier stanard is becasue the staffy clubs dont think they are pure breeds.

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Post by Guest Fri Sep 02 2011, 14:48

rascal-girl wrote:Oh, and Rascal is spayed as we think there are enough Staffys already looking for homes. We don't need to create more!


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Post by youngkaiser Fri Sep 02 2011, 22:37

i love the black and tans i personally havent got kaiser neutered not because i want to breed him just because the other half wont let me have them chopped off Laughing i dont think it matters what colour a staffy is there all beautiful Big Grin
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Post by Steve Fri Sep 02 2011, 22:40

it doesn't matter what colour your dog is only time it matters if you go showing

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Post by rascal-girl Sat Sep 03 2011, 00:06

One of Rascal's littermates is deaf. We all thought he was so cute being pure white Sad Not a speck of colour on him anywhere. Thanks for the information guys. I guess if there are no guidelines re which colours not to mix, we may end up with staffys all being one colour? There is a lot of brown/tan mixed in with Rascal's black areas. None of her black is pure black. I LOVE the Blue staffy colour. Thanks everyone for the info Smile
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Post by scott Sat Sep 03 2011, 08:32

i like the colour.... Big Grin

and he looks like lovely...... Cool dont think iv ever seen one like it apart from on the net....
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Post by Guest Sat Sep 03 2011, 14:23

Steve wrote:it doesn't matter what colour your dog is only time it matters if you go showing
Or if you are going to breed. I don't think dogs outside of the standard should be bred. I guess that could be just me, though.

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Post by Steve Sat Sep 03 2011, 14:48

they always going be people breeding from out of standard and i dont think anything will stop that. just the life we live in

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Post by Guest Sat Sep 03 2011, 14:52

Of course that's true, but it doesn't make it right!

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Post by Steve Sat Sep 03 2011, 14:53

no 1 is saying it right

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Post by gem Sat Sep 03 2011, 16:12

Its undesirable as steve says its not pure bred those colours dont excist in the breed there has to have been a influence of an outcross in the mix .
That only matters for breeding and showing though doesnt mean there is anything wrong with the dogs physically or mentally Smile
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Post by Guest Sun Sep 04 2011, 01:30

Very true Gem!

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Post by rascal-girl Thu Sep 08 2011, 08:40

Well, apparently Rascal's dad is not tan....he's red and white. Not sure when pale brown became "red" but there you go! Obviously some "breed speak" I'm ignorant of!!! hehe I am told that Rascal's mother comes from a line in WA (owners used to live there).
On the breeding out of standard issue, I guess if there is too much breeding "out of standard" we could end up breeding out the characteristics that make a Staffy a Staffy? Maybe the thinking is the more you dilute a mixture, the less like the original it becomes......
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Post by Guest Thu Sep 08 2011, 11:29

There's a difference between brown & red in dogs' colours. Brown is generally a deep brown (ie like a chocolate labrador or doberman) whereas red can be any colour between a deep red (similar to Dempsey or even deeper) to a pale reddish fawn, with or without white.

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Post by gem Thu Sep 08 2011, 19:28

[quote="rascal-girl"]Well, apparently Rascal's dad is not tan....he's red and white. Not sure when pale brown became "red" but there you go! Obviously some "breed speak" I'm ignorant of!!! hehe I am told that Rascal's mother comes from a line in WA (owners used to live there).
On the breeding out of standard issue, I guess if there is too much breeding "out of standard" we could end up breeding out the characteristics that make a Staffy a Staffy? Maybe the thinking is the more you dilute a mixture, the less like the original it becomes......[/quote]



Expertly put Big Grin
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Post by Guest Thu Sep 08 2011, 19:36

Georgeous looking dog but a stud!!!! I wouldnt breed any animal all of mine are done i think it should be left to the experts too many unwanted staffs out there needing homes.

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Post by Guest Fri Sep 09 2011, 01:17

rascal-girl wrote:Well, apparently Rascal's dad is not tan....he's red and white.
My Saxon is red and white! As Caryll says, red is a different color from brown or tan.

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Post by rascal-girl Tue Sep 13 2011, 03:12

Ahh, thanks Caryll and CatStina Smile Rascal's dad is a fawny colour with white. So there you go, I learned something! And thank you Gem for the lovely compliment Big Grin
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Post by rascal-girl Tue Sep 13 2011, 03:14

Right, just had a look at Saxon, and that's pretty much the colour of Rascal's dad.... When I look at Saxon I just see his gorgeous smile Big Grin never noticed his colour before!!!!
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Post by Guest Tue Sep 13 2011, 08:28

rascal is Love Struck

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