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Post by LizP on Sat Nov 04 2017, 18:44

Sorry this isn't really a staffie question but Nola says she's an honorary staffie (please?).

We're starting to get some odd moments with her. The first I can put my finger on was about a month ago when we were in France. We were on a walk, we'd probably done about 4 or 5km which isn't very long for her, and her legs started shaking. We let her rest for 5 minutes till she was settled, finished out walk (another 3km or so) and she was fine, no sign of anything the following day - we did take it easy just in case.

Then, a couple of weeks ago in the evening she started shaking. We thought at the time that it was the beeping of the smoke alarm (the battery was being silly), so we gave her a cuddle and let her outside away from it. 15 minutes later we found her lying in the dark in the middle of the garden, not as in crashed on her side, just lying normally but in an odd place. Normally if she goes out at night it's to do a wee or chase bunnies, not to just lie there.

The next odd thing was a couple of days ago, when she decided to flatten some plants by the front gate to curl up there. It was a really weird place, not in the sun, not very comfy, not near anything, just strange.

And then today, she'd been for a walk, just 20 minutes or so, and again started shaking. She was sitting down and her front legs shook. 10 minutes later, we found her standing at the end of the garden, facing into some shrubs looking lost. She then came in a settled on a dog beanie bag that she never normally lies on.

Other than these odd moments she's completely fine. There's no pain if you prod and poke, she's not lame, she's eating like a labrador. The only other thing is that she doesn't want to join in the staffs' rough and tumble all the time (most of the time she will) but she is 10 so that might well be just her feeling less like being in the middle of such a full on pair sometimes.

We're obviously keeing an eye on her and a vet visit may well be on the cards but I was wondering if all this sounded familiar to anyone?


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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by -Ian- on Sat Nov 04 2017, 19:06

My Flo will shake if she feels sick, she isn't sick every time she shakes but it a sure sign she is feeling unwell. 99.9% of the time she's fine after 24hrs. Another sure sign is not eating her dinner, is Nola eating in her usual way Liz ?


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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by LizP on Sat Nov 04 2017, 19:19

Nothing, but nothing, will stop Nola eating! She's a hoover when it comes to food. So no, no change there. I've not seen her being sick at all recently and her poos look completely normal as well.


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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by Jenc on Sat Nov 04 2017, 19:30

Of course Nola is an honorary staffie Love Struck I don't know what to suggest Liz. Perhaps it is age related, just keep an eye on her x


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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by LizP on Sun Nov 05 2017, 09:22

George met up with a friend on a walk this morning and described what Nola is doing. Jackie had a dog who used to do exactly that, it was canine cognitive dysfunction (dementia). I've just had a google and it's very common, one study in California found 28% of dogs aged 11-12yrs tested had one or more signs. If that's what it is, there's no treatment, just management.

If she does anything else worrying, anything that appears to indicate it's other than that, I'll pop her to the vets earlier, otherwise we'll probably leave it till her booster's due at the beginning of next year.

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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by gillybrent on Sun Nov 05 2017, 12:12

Poor Nola.

my first thought was a mild stroke, especially considering her age, but mild dementia is also possible.

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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by Nifty staffy on Sun Nov 05 2017, 13:45

Of course Nola is an honorary staffy, never was a doubt.
So sorry that it might be dementia, I did have to google it too.
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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by LizP on Sun Nov 05 2017, 15:09

Thanks Smile

I didn't think of a stroke - that feels less likely as she's 100% most of the time, walking well, no lopsidedness, etc.

Reading up a bit more about CCD, I'm more inclined to take her into the vet now. There is a drug that can be effective that I'd like to talk to someone about if the diagnosis is CCD, and it's one of those 'the earlier the better' drugs.

This is an interesting site: https://dogdementia.com/

And here's my girlie the other day, still not looking her age



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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by Nifty staffy on Sun Nov 05 2017, 15:33

Love Struck Love Struck
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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by LizP on Sun Nov 05 2017, 16:14

(Don't encourage me)


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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by AussieStaff on Sun Nov 05 2017, 19:52

God she is beautiful! Love Struck I’d pop her to the vet sooner rather than later for a check, even if it’s just for your peace of mind. I’m thinking there is an underlying cause but hopefully something minor that can be treated. I’ll be checking for updates, when you’re ready. Big hugs! PS She might not be a staffy but she’s sure part of our staffy family here & treated the same! Love Struck


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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by -Ian- on Sun Nov 05 2017, 20:18

I'd agree with a trip to the vets just to make sure of what's what and if possible any treatment.

Nola may not be Staffy but she's certainly a part of our family here Smile


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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by gillybrent on Sun Nov 05 2017, 22:15

She's such a beauty, she really doesn't look her age!

I also think a chat with the vet would be useful.

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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by LizP on Mon Nov 06 2017, 09:58

We've got an appointment to see Uncle Keith at 4.30.


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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by Nifty staffy on Mon Nov 06 2017, 11:50

Will be thinking of you then, hope all goes well
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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by LizP on Mon Nov 06 2017, 17:37

Keith's not convinced it's dementia. To him it sounds more like either kidney disease or mild epilepsy, with the standing in odd places afterwards as a result of the worry of the fit.

He's running bloods to check kidney and liver function amongst others and we'll talk when they're back. If the bloods look fine his first thought is to treat as epilepsy to see if that makes a difference.

Not quite what I expected.


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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by Nifty staffy on Mon Nov 06 2017, 17:41

Ah, will be interesting to see what the results reveal.
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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by -Ian- on Mon Nov 06 2017, 18:32

It's often the case that we think one thing but in reality it's a completely different diagnosis, just ask Flo Rolling Eyes

Keep us posted Liz


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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by LizP on Mon Nov 06 2017, 20:05

I just asked her but she didn't answer... Big Grin


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Post by -Ian- on Mon Nov 06 2017, 20:37

Cos she's deaf silly Rolling Eyes

Try sign language Wink


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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by LizP on Wed Nov 08 2017, 18:12

All her bloods are normal, which is a relief.

That leaves us with epilepsy or CCD. For two reasons, we're going to assume the latter for the moment.

The first reason is that we've found her in a couple of odd places again. Last night she was sitting in the bathroom and this morning we found her lying between the bed and a wardrobe close to it (dog width apart, really).

The second reason is that the Epiphen is a serious drug with potential side effects, whereas for CCD there's a supplement (Aktivait) that Keith has suggested has no side effects. He has an overall positive experience with it. I've ordered a month's supply and we'll see how we go. We'll try it for a month or two, monitoring as we go, and then stop and see if there is a difference.

Sounds like a reasonable plan to me, I'm happy with it.


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Post by Nifty staffy on Wed Nov 08 2017, 18:51

Ah yes. I think I’d also try the happier medication option and if worse comes to worse, you can’t do much harm with it.
Fingers crossed you have positive results
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Post by -Ian- on Wed Nov 08 2017, 19:02

Sounds like a positive way forward Liz, fingers crossed it does make the difference


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Post by AussieStaff on Thu Nov 09 2017, 09:52

What's CCD ? (excuse my ignorance)


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Post by LizP on Thu Nov 09 2017, 10:11

Canine cognitive dysfunction, the dog equivalent of dementia.


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Post by AussieStaff on Thu Nov 09 2017, 11:02

Oh wow I didn’t even know there was a thing!


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Re: Shaking episodes

Post by LizP on Mon Dec 11 2017, 08:45

A quick update -

Nola has been on Aktivait for a month now (nearly). We had one or two odd moments early on but for the last couple of weeks she's been great. She's initiating play again and is back to buggering off after squirrels in the woods.

Or at least that's what it looks like. The plan is another month of Aktivait then stop for a while to see if there is any change with her not having it - that's what Keith suggested and it makes sense to me.

Definitely so far so good, though, and if it is the Aktivait that's rejuvinated her, it will be food for thought. How much do we accept that 'it's just because she's getting old' when we don't need to?



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Post by Nifty staffy on Mon Dec 11 2017, 19:31

Thanks for the positive update.
It’s reassuring to be able to “play it by ear”, still hoping you’ll need minimal medication help to keep Nola stable and happy
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Post by LizP on Mon Dec 11 2017, 20:25

It's not actual medication, it's a nutritional supplement that's aimed at supporting brain function. The reason for stopping after a couple of months is to see if there is any difference without it - it could just be that she's fine anyway and that the Akitivait isn't in fact making any difference other than to our wallets. If she goes backwards without it we know to resume, if there's no change then she doesn't need it. If she does need it, it's not an 'as required' thing, rather an all the time one.



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