Stupid owners!!!

I swear some people don't have a brain...
Today we went to the fields with Dragon and Sasha, on the way there we met a woman with a Labrador retriever off the lead near the road ( we wasn't near the fields yet or else I'd understand she was just walking with the dog of the lead ) she had another one that was on the lead, we asked her to put her dog in the lead but guess what she didn't have a lead for that dog she held him by the collar and tried to walk away, stupid if you gonna take your dog out have a lead!

Then after Dragon and Sasha played in the fields we was walking Sasha back to my mom's house and we met a woman with 2 Red Setters off the lead, they're big dogs and they seemed to be staring at Sasha so I stayed behind and asked my girlfriend to tell the woman if she could put her dogs on the lead, she took a while but she did put them on a retractable lead she didn't have the lock on the lead until she was basically next to me, so it's basically the same as them being off the lead if the lock is not on, she seemed me going against the wall because her dogs were basically taking all the path and Sasha is to friendly and would jump on them and what not, all of a suddenly her dog put his front paws in the air and banged them on the floor and made a massive noise ( not a bark or a growl it was a very loud noise to get Sasha away ) I'm not gonna lie it scared me and I jumped as I wasn't expecting that, the woman laughed and pulled her dog, it was clearly not friendly.
My question is why were they off the lead? If I didn't say anything they would of had fight, making a bad experience for Sasha with dogs and getting her scared. Why are they on a retractable lead? If they both pulled that woman she wouldn't of been able to hold them... What if they went for me as well?

Good thing I didn't have Dragon then with me because he would of went mad and the way I was I wouldn't of been able to hold him back.

Other than that Sasha is doing better on the lead, still pulls but not as much and they had a great day playing with each other.

To be honest, I'd be more angry at the woman whose Golden Retriever wasn't on the lead near a road. But it's all stupid, really. Glad nothing really bad happened though, just interactions with silly people. My cousin's ex-wife's dog has no collar, so when they take him out he has no collar, no tag with details, no nothing. And they sometimes let him off the lead even though he's completely deaf, only has one eye and has a habit of running away. Absolutely mad

Yes but the Golden Retriver didn't do anything, although the woman was silly for not having him on the lead now walking 2 big aggressive dogs where all dogs go and not having them on the lead and being rude when we ask we to put it on the lead and then laughing at us when her dog goes for Sasha, I was about to lose my temper but I just walked away...

first off mate i have the same problem walking through the local park sometimes and any type of dog between lurchers, bull mastiffs, french bulldogs and poodles are walked without leads.

but my answer to you is that if the retreiver or the red setters had have jumped on a child it would have not too much of a problem however if ur two gorgeous staffys had have jumped on a child whilst on a lead ud have had all this DANGEROUS BULL BREED type dogs are dangerous and they request them to be put down just because of their looks.

my pup is three quarter staffy and the rest amercian bully and the looks she get at the park sometimes is rediculous and i never let her off the leash for the simple fact i havnt had her recall trained yet but even if she was fully trained i still wouldnt let her off as she can be so excited to see other dogs etc and wants to pounce and play but id be afraid the other dogs might not see it like that.

SO i believe if u dont have a leash on your dogs in public parks etc the dogs should not be out simple as.

Yes very true, my boy gets funny looks and when he gets a complement is normally by kids who say hes muscly and things like that.
Ive walked past dogs barking at my boy and hes walking nice to heel and ignores the dog barking and still they say "staffys are fighting dogs" does my head in!

The woman with the retriver wasnt at the park she had just walked out of her house and had 1 of her dogs on the lead and the other wasnt, my boy can be aggressive specially walking with Sasha as he "protects" her but hes always on the lead, and hes improved as today we met a male jack russell and my boy wanted to play with him an when the jack russell went he cried lol

The woman with the red setters was walking towards the dog park with 2 aggressive big dogs of the lead, im just glad i asked her to put them on the lead, cant even imagine what would of happened if i didnt poor Sasha shes all bones ( we rescued her from a bad home and shes underweigt ) and her having a bad experience with some dogs could make her scared and turn into aggression which i dont want.

Thankfully nothing happened apart from me nearly having an heart attack

lol well at least they were set on their leads mate. my dog gets the same compliments shes quite muscular for her age and pure white which is a bonus when people see her as it makes me feel good to know i have an awesome dog lol.

Yea I'm glad nothing bad happened and glad I was able to control my mouth when she laughed I felt like telling the woman why she was laughing but people like that don't deserve me wasting my time, I'll just to watch other dogs when we walk past them...
Taking Sasha to the vets tomorrow to get her dewormed I was going to take her on the weekend but they were close, hopefully she starts putting weight on, feels weird stroking her and feeling her spine, poor girl I can't get over how many bad owners there is, but she found a good home so she'll be fine

yea those people are disgusting if people cant be bothered with dogs dont buy them give them to a shelter ... i hope sasha gets well soon buddy

Owners like that only want dogs to make money out of them, only reason I could think, or maybe they're just crazy and like treating dogs bad...
Either way them type of people don't have a heart, I could never let my dogs starve or use them to make money.

Her old owners admitted to only wanting her for breeding, after she had puppies and the puppies were 8 weeks they gave her away for free and sold the puppies.
Sasha is only a puppy herself she's 10 months at the moment very young to have a litter, disgusting people

WHAT ... that is * up in so many ways !!!!!! poor dog

As much as I get your frustration given your situation I think its going a little far when somebody else said you should not let your dog off lead in public places.

Also thing I don't get is why people who want to keep their dog on lead and people who have no trust in any dogs walk their dog on lead across a grassy park area where people let their dogs off lead, surely if you don't want to meet off lead dogs you don't walk there knowing this fact?

Now we are very selective on weather we let ours off or not if it looks busy we will just keep walking round the estate instead of stopping at the park, simply as our recall although good is not 100% and we don't want to cause chaos our pair running round like loons.

I just don't get it we don't walk across there with our dogs on lead as its unfair for the dogs off lead to interrupt their play time.

Yet times where we decide it quiet enough and let ours off you get idiots walking across with their dogs on lead. 99% of the time its fine as our recall is good, but we have had a couple of occasions where our dogs have approached on lead dogs and the owner start flipping out like a nutcase.

Surely if its that big a deal don't walk your dog on lead across a place everybody lets their dog off lead???

I understand that its the responsibility of the dog who is off lead to have control over their dog but why on earth would you go somewhere you know dogs are off lead if that's an issue to you? No matter how well trained your dog is if he/she sees something they want more than doing as your asking then they will. Why on earth would your risk taking your DA dog on lead across a park with dogs off lead? Who's stupid in this case?

Our pair are friendly as they come and love playing with other dogs on the field why should that be ruined by people who want to walk their dog on lead across there? You can walk your dog on lead near enough anywhere you cant let your dog off lead anywhere only certain places are suitable and only at certain times also.

I have to say that I agree, it sounds like you might be being a little over protective. Remember that dogs need to learn and pick up on your feelings. Obviously with the problems you have had witrh dragon I can understand why you are being protective, if an off lead dog approaches teach her to sit and wait and let them greet each other. If you don't allow this to happen you could end up with another DA dog. Some dogs might have a little go at her, but most will be more than happy to say hello. She will learn top read the signals herself in time of who to say hello to and who not to.

johneva wrote:As much as I get your frustration given your situation I think its going a little far when somebody else said you should not let your dog off lead in public places.

Also thing I don't get is why people who want to keep their dog on lead and people who have no trust in any dogs walk their dog on lead across a grassy park area where people let their dogs off lead, surely if you don't want to meet off lead dogs you don't walk there knowing this fact?

Now we are very selective on weather we let ours off or not if it looks busy we will just keep walking round the estate instead of stopping at the park, simply as our recall although good is not 100% and we don't want to cause chaos our pair running round like loons.

I just don't get it we don't walk across there with our dogs on lead as its unfair for the dogs off lead to interrupt their play time.

Yet times where we decide it quiet enough and let ours off you get idiots walking across with their dogs on lead. 99% of the time its fine as our recall is good, but we have had a couple of occasions where our dogs have approached on lead dogs and the owner start flipping out like a nutcase.

Surely if its that big a deal don't walk your dog on lead across a place everybody lets their dog off lead???

I understand that its the responsibility of the dog who is off lead to have control over their dog but why on earth would you go somewhere you know dogs are off lead if that's an issue to you? No matter how well trained your dog is if he/she sees something they want more than doing as your asking then they will. Why on earth would your risk taking your DA dog on lead across a park with dogs off lead? Who's stupid in this case?

Our pair are friendly as they come and love playing with other dogs on the field why should that be ruined by people who want to walk their dog on lead across there? You can walk your dog on lead near enough anywhere you cant let your dog off lead anywhere only certain places are suitable and only at certain times also.

I think you got it wrong...
Sasha is friendly there for I go to parks with her so she can socialise with other dogs, when I walk home I'm not gonna have her of the lead as I'm walking home? That's why I put her on the lead and went home, on the way home we meet2 aggressive red setters of the lead, why would that woman have 2 big dogs of the lead if they're aggressive? I could tell by their body language that they weren't ok with us that's why I stopped and asked my girlfriend to go ahead and ask the woman to put her dogs on the lead, I was right as soon as they come near us they tried to attack Sasha.

I'm more than happy to let her meet other dogs of the lead and she's always of the lead while at the park, but I'm not happy in walking past2 big dogs who are aggressive and would of attacked her.

The woman with the Labrador Retriver wasn't at a park or anywhere near a park and her dog was of the lead near a road, do you let your dogs of the lead near a road no where near a park?
I had Dragon who is aggressive, just because he's aggressive doesn't mean I can't walk him? People have to think that just because their dog is friendly and obedient doesn't mean anything when you walking him of the lead and when you're not at a dog park, imagine if her dog came to our dog to play near a road and got run over? Or imagine if my boy grabbed him and wouldn't let go? She was an older lady I'm sure she wouldn't be coming running to stop it.

I don't want to sound rude but before you start saying its my fault read what I said! I have an aggressive dog and he's on the lead, so the red setters should be too as they're aggressive and 2 big dogs on a retractable lead? The lead is rather thin if they pulled at the same time I'm sure they could break it, not to mention the woman would end up letting go as she wouldn't have enough strength to hold them 2 dogs, she was already struggling with 1 of them pulled, I wonder what she be like if they both pulled to attack Sasha.

It's not fair on Sasha having a bad experience with dogs because of some stupid people who don't care about their dogs and other dogs getting attacked.

Dan330 wrote:I have to say that I agree, it sounds like you might be being a little over protective. Remember that dogs need to learn and pick up on your feelings. Obviously with the problems you have had witrh dragon I can understand why you are being protective, if an off lead dog approaches teach her to sit and wait and let them greet each other. If you don't allow this to happen you could end up with another DA dog. Some dogs might have a little go at her, but most will be more than happy to say hello. She will learn top read the signals herself in time of who to say hello to and who not to.

Ok so I get her to sit and greet 2 aggressive red setters, then what? Both of them bite her and what am I meant to do, stop both of them dogs? After she's been attacked she would most likely be scared, she was already scared after walking past a husky straight after, her tail went under and she tried to walk away, her tail was always up and wagging.

She meets many dogs on our walk and plays with them, but when I'm unsure about a dog and when I can see the other dogs don't seem to happy to see Sasha, I ask them to put them on the lead, better to be safe than sorry right?

Don't take me the wrong way, I don't go to the park and tell everyone to put their dogs on the lead that would be unfair, I let her play as long as the other dog is friendly, I'm sure if you walked past 2 big dogs who you thought was aggressive you would ask them to put their dogs on the lead.

Think you took my post completely wrong, probley my fault maybe I should have made it clearer this was not aimed at you but a general view of on lead off lead situation.

At no point did I say your situation was your own fault I even sympathized with your particular situation.

None of my comment was even aimed slightly at your situation simply my point of view with on lead off lead dog situation.

Though to be honest it does seem like your going a little over the top with what if's and calling her dog aggressive as it made a noise, now its been added they tried to attack Sasha which is not in the first post. Nothing happened so they obviously were not that aggressive then were they if she had no control over them.

I was actually sympathizing with you and your situation before, but now not so much as you have just way over reacted again at a comment that's not even aimed at you or your dog.

I actually agree that if you have aggressive dogs they should not be off lead in public area's just common sense really. Same with the Retriever you mentioned, to have it off lead next to a road IMO is just dumb, what if it seen a cat or was spooked by a noise, anything next thing the dog is running across the road causing an accident harming the dog and possibly harming innocent road users.

In the case of the retriever dumb as it is IMO to be honest its the dog owners choice if he/she feels they can trust their dog enough to do that then that's up to them and also will be up to them if anything did happen one day.

I can see what John means tbh. I also know what you mean Joe. I'm a person who doesn't like people allowing their off lead dog to come up to me because at times Logan can be nervous/aggressive with bigger dogs. However, because of that I avoid areas that I know I will most likely meet owners with dogs off lead.

For example I love to walk on a group of football pitches near my house, but sometimes a man walks a GSD off lead there. Logan would def fight with this dog as they have had run in's before, so if I see he's there before me I'll go a different way. He does the same for me. Sometimes a bit of compromise goes a long way with owning dogs.

It boils down to not putting myself into a position where I could get in trouble.

Thing is I've been walking that way for ages and never had any problems and never met someone who would walk 2 aggressive dogs of the lead.

John I do apologise as I thought your post was aimed at me, but I don't think I'm going over the top, the dog didnt just make a noise and walked on, the dog lunched at Sasha and made a massive noise, I was to worried about walking past the dogs of the lead so it wasn't me being "scared" that made the dog do that, but I did panic once the dog lunched at us, it was a very thin path so there was no space for me to walk away... I was against the wall holding Sasha and then the dog lunched straight at us and the woman laughing at us... That's justaetic and childish in my opinion why would you laugh at someone when your dog does what it does?

Dragon is aggressive and has attacked other dogs and what not but I never laughed at the owner? That's just disrespectful in my point of view, and about the Retriver, it is the owners choice but walking your dog near a main road without a lead that's just stupid but yes it is their choice to be silly and put their dog in a situation where it could get hurt or killed, shows how much that owner cared about her dog.

Are you sure they were aggressive and not just a little dominant? there are a few dogs around me that have had handbags with Monty... I mistook him for turning DA and became quite wary around other dogs. He has since met these dogs again and he ansd they understand who is top dog so to speak.

Erm I'm pretty sure it was a dominant thing, but could of been but I never seen a dog out of nothing lunch at another dog the way that dog did, we was stood still against the wall so they could go past. Even if it was a dominant thing it could cause a fight if Sasha was of lead and they did that to her and she took it the wrong way...

But anyway it's done with... I let Sasha play with most dogs so she gets socialised etc.