Dempsey

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This is my new boy...............Dempsey aka Frachadem Thrilla in Manila!

can you tell me what is the standard size and weight for a English bull terrier

There isn't one. The standard just says maximum substance for size. So you could get a bully 15" tall or 20" tall; 60lbs weight or 90lbs weight!

The reason all the interbreed pups are registered as minis is because of PLL (primary lens luxation). Pll isn't in standards, but it's a problem in minis. So if you breed a mini to a standard, some of the pups could be affected. Therefore, if you registered the larger ones as standards you could introduce PLL into standards.

no i was just wondering how the judges in a dog show can compare the bull terrier if theres no standard to compare with

It's only size & weight that there are no limits on. In practice you'll find that they're all a similar size. Lots of variation, but within a narrow limit if you see what I mean. The all important things are 'breed type' and substance (not fat!). Like the stafford, the bully is a 'head' breed. If the heads good, then your 40% there! A lot of emphasis is placed on general soundness. Movement can be a bit hit & miss, though.

Something I've always had a 'beef' about is that in most standards they call for the rear legs to move 'parallel'. However, if you look at ANY dog (wolf included) as they trot, the back legs slope towards the centre line of the dog for balance! So you'll often read in a critique "moved close behind".

just talking to a friend of mine who breeds english bull terriers any colour is acceptable in english bull terrirers except blue or liver colours

you learn something new everyday

shane wrote:just talking to a friend of mine who breeds english bull terriers any colour is acceptable in english bull terrirers except blue or liver colours

Yes, although if there's white present (as there usually is) there must be over 50% colour, preferably with even markings.

any blue colour with white or liver and white is not recognised

shane wrote:any blue colour with white or liver and white is not recognised

That's already been said.

Caryll wrote:

shane wrote:any blue colour with white or liver and white is not recognised

That's already been said.

thanks for clearing that up for me caryll

Here's a couple of recent pics of Dempsey.........

"The washing pile jumped underneath me, honest!"




"Well, it's better than my bed!"

"The washing pile jumped underneath me, honest!"

As did you Caryll lol
Great pics Love it when a dog lies on their back
He is one very good looking dog

That's my daughter - wish I was that young!!!

ye he one fit looking boy caryll

Dempsey caught a rat tonight. Shook it like a rag doll & killed it outright. Then he just dropped it & carried on with his walk!

what a chiwowwowwow lol

Caryll, your Dempsey is magnificent i really wanted a English bull when i lost my 1st staff but after a bit of research decided on another staff and got Samson, like you said earlier there a very different dog, and while i'm typing this Samson is laid flat out on the bed watching x factor who's the daft one

Hahaha!

Yes, anyone who watches x factor in my opinion is daft!

A little addition to the rat catching espisode............ Dempsey caught a cat.

It was one that attacks everything that walks past & has gone for Dempsey in the past but I've always seen it first & prevented any problems. But this time it was sitting just inside a wall & as we walked past it shot out on its back legs slashing at Dempsey with its claws. There was nothing I could do, Dempsey had it by the neck in half a second & was shaking it while I tried to get him to let go. Not easy. After about 15 seconds (seemed like 15 minutes) the cat squirmed free & ran for it.

Dempsey finished his walk with a couple of scratches on his nose & a very self-satisfied air!!

A couple of pics from this morning.......

Can I have my breakfast please?


Wow, breakfast!!

A couple of him having fun with his bestest friend in all the world!

nice pic

nice pic

whats happening with this site tonight its not loading the pages properly

It's ok for me. Maybe there's a problem with your connection?

how much are they ? pup wise.. guy ano says he bought one not saw it yet for £1500 ? mibi a reason av not saw it cos its fake ..

Gorgis looking boy

Mine is working fine.. a had same problem last week left it til the morning and it was all fine?

seany boy wrote:how much are they ? pup wise.. guy ano says he bought one not saw it yet for £1500 ? mibi a reason av not saw it cos its fake ..

Gorgis looking boy

They're around £900 for a pup. I would say for £1500 he's been done, someone saw him coming! Trouble is, if you're going to a good breeder they often have a waiting list so people who've been waiting for a long time get restless & are prepared to pay more.

Well worth it .. he is a gorgis looking guy ano a boy with one not sure how much he paid were its from etc think its more of a dont ask anything about it lol but his is gorgis mad thing runs about usin its head to bang into gates fences alsorts lol

Yes, that's about it - the only thing they don't use their heads for is thinking!

Dempsey is 18 months now & still hasn't worked out that the garden gate opens inwards! Head butts it every time.

Here's a little video of Dempsey with his friend, Pneuma!

nice vid caryll do me a fav dont read my last bike post lol

Too late, I just did!!!

ha ha i should be a quicker typer

A couple of quick pics.............

Dempsey is lovely mrs wants one but if a can't get a staffy to not hump kuma shes on to plums for now lol

I have to admit, i'm not a fan of ebt's, but Dempsey is gorgeous. Where did his name come from Caryll?

A love them a love anything that no one else has and is different ..thats why kuma is the colour's she is couldn't just be normal

I absolutely love Kuma's colours, she is gorgeous. I dont like the head on the ebt, and they look mean when they're mad. My husband loves them tho and wanted one. I'm glad we got Charlie instead. I do like Dempsey's colours tho and he looks like a very good natured boy. He's the nicest looking ebt i've seen

Hahaha! Looks are deceptive! He's a real pain at times. He's named after the heavyweight boxer Jack Dempsey. My husband liked it. The coincidence is that the breeder named him Frachadem Thrilla in Manila, which was the name given to a famous Mohamed Ali fight.

He's the most dominant dog I've ever had & there have been times when I've wondered whether we should have got him, but then he can be so sweet & gentle & loving & I'm glad we did. Not that I could get rid of him now, he's part of the family, in fact he was from the time we first saw a pic of him at 3 weeks old!

I agree that the head's strange, but you do get used to it, and I can now see beauty in them. It took a while to get used to it after being so used to the staffy head. They don't look any more mean than a staff does when they're angry. Before you got to know staffs, if you'd seen a pic of an angry one, it would have scared the s**t out of you!

Hmmm, maybe i should've looked at more pics before settling on staffs.... No, def made the right choice. Each to their own and all that. I've read that ebt's can be incredibly dominant and stubborn, I wouldnt take on a breed like that until I've had a few more years of experience. I know you've had a fair few tho so I'm sure he knows you're the boss!

Shontelle wrote: I know you've had a fair few tho so I'm sure he knows you're the boss!

Hmmm, I wonder!

Yes, they are a very dominant breed, but Dempsey is one of the worst - even some of the seasoned owners I've met have commented on that. Right from day one (literally) he was incredibly bold. Nothing scared him, not even a long train journey & introduction to a new home. He takes just about everything in his stride. I think it was because he was hand reared for the first few days (he couldn't suckle) and he nearly died. Because of that he was handled a lot by the family who bred him & he really got his own way!

Having said all that, he's also a clown & makes us laugh.

So I'm guessing he's a total pain in the butt but worth it all? You gotta love em, even when they're driving you up the wall! (lets see if I'm still saying that in a few weeks time! )

Yup, you got it! Wouldn't swap him for the world!

Ask me again the next time he refuses to come back when he's called, or the next time he grabs one of my soft toys & I have to chase him round the house to get it back.........................

Ah, the infamous selective hearing and 'if I find it, I can chew it' traits. I have it all to look forward to. I say bring it on!

Shontelle wrote:Hmmm, maybe i should've looked at more pics before settling on staffs.... No, def made the right choice. Each to their own and all that. I've read that ebt's can be incredibly dominant and stubborn, I wouldnt take on a breed like that until I've had a few more years of experience. I know you've had a fair few tho so I'm sure he knows you're the boss!

ha ha you might be in for a little shock when you find out how stubborn a staffy pup can be >

bigwazza wrote:

Shontelle wrote:Hmmm, maybe i should've looked at more pics before settling on staffs.... No, def made the right choice. Each to their own and all that. I've read that ebt's can be incredibly dominant and stubborn, I wouldnt take on a breed like that until I've had a few more years of experience. I know you've had a fair few tho so I'm sure he knows you're the boss!

ha ha you might be in for a little shock when you find out how stubborn a staffy pup can be >

Too true lol!

its not just staffy pups that can be stubborn they can be stubborn wee buggers at 3yrs 8 months lol try getting a ball off shadys !!!!! wont even trade you for a chicken wing , but another ball and he might swap you . do you find demps clumsy caryl ?? shady still trips up stairs and kerbs

Clumsy? Oh, hell, yes! Bandit was clumsy & used to trip etc, but Dempsey can't seem to remember how wide he is, either, so he'll try to turn around in ridiculouslt tight places & gets really frustrated cause he has to keep going till there's space to turn!

pmsl

ever wondered what a staffy crossed with a english bull would look like have a look and see there a few on this site, what you think,

http://www.google.ie/images?um=1&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=600&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=english+bull+terrier+crossed+with+staffordshire+bull+terrier&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=