Your opinion on breeding staffys?

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I know some of you hate the fact that some people breed their staffys way to much, and so do I, breeding the same game all over again isn't right and fair on her, but my question is what do you think about breeding your girl once.
I mean I'd love to breed my boy with another staffy at least once before he gets his balls chopped, I don't want him to die a virgin
My dad in the other hand is against breeding in total, he has had 2 gorgeous bitches (a boxer and a pitbull, he lives in another country) but he never breed the boxer, now she's dead so she died a virgin and the pitbull is going the same way she's about 5-6 and he does not plan on breeding her, which is a shame I think, she's so beautiful.

So what's your thoughts about breeding your dogs at least once, so they don't die virgin, or do you rather not breed your dogs at all?

if people do it right there nothing wrong FACT if people do it cant be bothered way that is wrong it's a FACT....

you have to remember staffy avg life is just10 to 12.

My boy doesn't hump things though he does try to hump other dogs (when he likes them) there's only been 2 dogs which he tried to hump lol my mums labrador which he got on with and my girlfriends sister's staffy, which he seen every so now and often and was starting to like him, but when he humped the staffy he growled at him lol luckily they were both on the lead. Strange thing is he only tried to hump male dogs he might like boy dogs the most !!!! just joking.

DragonTheStaffie wrote:My boy doesn't hump things though he does try to hump other dogs (when he likes them) there's only been 2 dogs which he tried to hump lol my mums labrador which he got on with and my girlfriends sister's staffy, which he seen every so now and often and was starting to like him, but when he humped the staffy he growled at him lol luckily they were both on the lead. Strange thing is he only tried to hump male dogs he might like boy dogs the most !!!! just joking.

thats dogs for you, but at least your socialising which is a good start have you founf any training classes yet?

He'll learn.
When you least expect it, you'll get two little paws wrapping round your trouser leg.

Keith wrote:He'll learn.
When you least expect it, you'll get two little paws wrapping round your trouser leg.

i would hate that!!! i was once traumatised as a child by a little jack russel who use to hump legs and would just hump my poor dog we had at the time!!

Keith wrote:He'll learn.
When you least expect it, you'll get two little paws wrapping round your trouser leg.

No way! He can go hump the couch or a toy but not me a bit weird lol

And no I haven't found any lessons for him yet, the lessons in my area are all for like puppies and to train your dog some commands, from what people said in here that won't help so I have to find someone who will be able to help us with his aggression and if anything happens he's able to help out instead of shouting at my dog and saying he's an evil breed for biting another dog, but I'm sure sooner or later we'll find someone who can help us and Dragon will pick up very quickly that dogs are friendly and then I will be able to let him off the lead with other dogs and let him play which would be very funny to watch

Jackieb wrote:I know a lot of good breeders.... Producing lots of quality litters, waiting lists and ppl willing to wait months for the right pup.

It's the BYB that ruin n spoil it IMO.

If there were no BYB there would probably be far fewer dogs in rescues (although I'm sure we would still need rescues, unfortunately)

My mate's English Bull was castrated and used to hump his bedding, the cushions, duvets, legs, anything he could.

I swear the vet must have only done half a job - thing was as mad as a hatter.

I also believe that breeding should be left to people with KC reg dogs and all heath checks done.
There are enough dogs in the centres at the moment for us all to have another dog, something has to change.
As for the funding behind any ideas I think should be paid for by the pet food/toy etc industry. the industry is meant to be one of the biggest industries in europe worth multi millions every year. I think instead of paying vets off maybe they could use that money to come up and fund an idea which may change the amount of unwanted dogs

Okay...lets get this into proportion...supply and demand. Look at the homes and tell me there isnt any supply why bring more dogs into the mix. If its a pet your after you have plenty of choice already. I had people begging me to breed my two, yeah i could have made a quick buck but no it aint happening. What struck me was people loved looks and size etc but no oneeer asked about how to bring em up...soo end of the line is here. Also not mad keen on the kc standards... So breeding to that what happends to those that dont meet the standard from reg parents???

DragonTheStaffie wrote:I'm only 17 years old and this is the first ever dog I've had and looked after,

I hope you don't mind me saying so, but you come across on here as older than that! You are already a good owner, and Dragon is lucky to have an owner as mature and responsible as you.

let to people who love to keep it in the family so we spend less time with out fave pet?!

we should leave it to breeders who care for the breed, not who care about winning awards.

I wouldn't ever choose to breed personally. There is alot of work and knowledge to do it properly and I just don't feel experienced enough to do so properly.

Steve wrote:

we should leave it to breeders who care for the breed, not who care about winning awards.

Amen

Sar H wrote:

DragonTheStaffie wrote:I'm only 17 years old and this is the first ever dog I've had and looked after,

I hope you don't mind me saying so, but you come across on here as older than that! You are already a good owner, and Dragon is lucky to have an owner as mature and responsible as you.

Second that! For 17 years ure doing a brill job, the love for dragon shows thru what u say and all u have to do is look at his pics! Keep the questions coming, and why dont u ask the question about his dog aggression and see what people advise?

Sar H wrote:

DragonTheStaffie wrote:I'm only 17 years old and this is the first ever dog I've had and looked after,

I hope you don't mind me saying so, but you come across on here as older than that! You are already a good owner, and Dragon is lucky to have an owner as mature and responsible as you.

Thank you I guess, but yea I'm only 17 at the moment, will be 18 in September, that'll be good because then I'll have my own car, my job and I'll be able to take my boy to the beach etc, which was is a bit of a problem at the moment, since the nearest beach is quite far away. Not to mention the fields near my house are rather small and with a lot of dogs so it's hard to let him of the lead.

rebeccaleanne wrote:

Sar H wrote:

DragonTheStaffie wrote:I'm only 17 years old and this is the first ever dog I've had and looked after,

I hope you don't mind me saying so, but you come across on here as older than that! You are already a good owner, and Dragon is lucky to have an owner as mature and responsible as you.

Second that! For 17 years ure doing a brill job, the love for dragon shows thru what u say and all u have to do is look at his pics! Keep the questions coming, and why dont u ask the question about his dog aggression and see what people advise?

Thank you, I do my best but the credit doesn't just go to me my girlfriend helps me out a lot and so does her mum by buying the food and give him loads of cuddles and attention, Dragon is very spoiled

I'm impressed you're only 17 mate.
You're clearly taking your responsibilities seriously - good on ya.

Oh and I've asked here before, people told me to walk Dragon with as many dogs as possible and that, problem is the people where I live aren't trustworthy and can be quite rude If I told them, could you help me out by walking your dog next to my dog, because my dog is aggressive... They'd say no because he's a staffy and aggressive and then as well because of me being only 17 they think I'm probably just gonna let my dog bite or something.....

being 17 i would research and research before breeding anything, but saying that you get top breeders who clearly dont have clue...

all i got to say it when it time is right stick to my list and you cant go wrong!!

Steve wrote:being 17 i would research and research before breeding anything, but saying that you get top breeders who clearly dont have clue...

all i got to say it when it time is right stick to my list and you cant go wrong!!

Oh no I'm not planing on breeding my boy, that's not an option I wouldn't have a clue what to do, while the bitch was giving birth or what to do after the puppies were born, plus my boy is not KC registered or anything so it's not an option + he's aggressive so it's basically impossible

Joe, you're doing all the right things by your boy & by the breed. Stick with it, you'll make a really good dog owner!

Joe, I think you're doing a great job with Dragon, and I commend you for your willingness to take on board the advice you are given.

With regards to training - do you have a "Good Companion Dog" or similarly named training group near you? This is something I am looking for for my own 13 month old, the puppy classes I took him to when he was a baby were not much help to him, unfortunately, being geared towards something different from what my pup needed.

And now I'm going to say something which is not directed specifically towards you, although your original post brought it up:-

Ref the virginity thing. It has been said above and elsewhere that a bitch does not need to have a litter to be a happy dog, and hopefully that myth has been laid to rest.

Looking at the virginity thing for a male dog, yes they will hump and some more than others, but very often it's a dominance issue and not necessarily a desperate desire to get their rocks off. In fact most young dogs don't really know what it's all about ! My young entire dog met up with a bitch in heat a few weeks back (and soon separated!) - he was a bit puzzled, presumably about the pheromones he was getting from her, and acted a bit distracted when he was back home, but soon forgot the whole thing.

Losing their virginity is not a thing dogs worry about, but if a male dog is allowed/encouraged to mate he will then understand what it's all about. If he is then neutered, please don't think he will relax in a happy glow of "I did it once, I can't now, but I have my memories" - a human male wouldn't think like this and nor would a male dog.

Ignorance is definitely bliss.

Having got this off my chest, do keep posting Joe - we love hearing about you and Dragon, and someone is always here to help and advise if you need it (I've personally had such a lot of helpful advice with my own pup on this forum).

Keep up the good work ><

Lynda wrote:Joe, I think you're doing a great job with Dragon, and I commend you for your willingness to take on board the advice you are given.

With regards to training - do you have a "Good Companion Dog" or similarly named training group near you? This is something I am looking for for my own 13 month old, the puppy classes I took him to when he was a baby were not much help to him, unfortunately, being geared towards something different from what my pup needed.

And now I'm going to say something which is not directed specifically towards you, although your original post brought it up:-

Ref the virginity thing. It has been said above and elsewhere that a bitch does not need to have a litter to be a happy dog, and hopefully that myth has been laid to rest.

Looking at the virginity thing for a male dog, yes they will hump and some more than others, but very often it's a dominance issue and not necessarily a desperate desire to get their rocks off. In fact most young dogs don't really know what it's all about ! My young entire dog met up with a bitch in heat a few weeks back (and soon separated!) - he was a bit puzzled, presumably about the pheromones he was getting from her, and acted a bit distracted when he was back home, but soon forgot the whole thing.

Losing their virginity is not a thing dogs worry about, but if a male dog is allowed/encouraged to mate he will then understand what it's all about. If he is then neutered, please don't think he will relax in a happy glow of "I did it once, I can't now, but I have my memories" - a human male wouldn't think like this and nor would a male dog.

Ignorance is definitely bliss.

Having got this off my chest, do keep posting Joe - we love hearing about you and Dragon, and someone is always here to help and advise if you need it (I've personally had such a lot of helpful advice with my own pup on this forum).

Keep up the good work ><

Thanks for the reply and no I don't have any groups like that near me, all I've got is some people who teach your dog some basic commands, but Dragon knows most of them already and it wouldn't help with my problem... I mean maybe him being in a class with more dogs and being told of everytime he pulls or growls at a dog will show him that dogs are nice, but then again I don't know.

And to be honest, I got the idea about the virginity thing from my mum she was always saying how my dad never wanted to breed his bitches and stuff, so I got the idea from there, but since I've been here I've started to realize that my mum knows almost nothing when it comes to dogs I probably know more than her now, which is good. I do try to give Dragon the best life I can.

I walk him every single day and play with him loads and give him loads of attention

"I do try to give Dragon the best life I can.

I walk him every single day and play with him loads and give him loads of attention".

That comes across Joe, if only everyone were the same with their dogs, there would be no unhappy dogs.

Stay with us, we'll be back to you.

Whereabouts in Cornwall are you Joe?

I live in Bodmin, near St Austell, like I said a very small town, we have nothing around here

DragonTheStaffie wrote:I live in Bodmin, near St Austell, like I said a very small town, we have nothing around here

Been on holiday a couple of times near you then last year (going back again at Whit week) some DF accomodation down from Liskeard

DragonTheStaffie wrote:For me it wouldn't be about the money because, I've got a boy so I wouldn't be the one with the pups to sell.
But yes most people breed their dogs for money, but if they're really all about money they'd breed more than once to make as much money as possible. Just wouldn't like my boy to die a virgin, although I can't do it because my boy is not dog friendly so instead of making puppies he'd end up biting the other dog, so it would be impossible. Just wondering what you guys think about breeding? I mean in my opinion if everyone was against breeding dogs, we'd come to a point where there would be no dogs since no one was breeding and the dogs would end up dying, and there would be no puppies therefor no dogs in the end, but that's never going to happen because there is loads of breeders who just breed for money but in a way they give us our babies that we love so much.

Totally disagree with your 1st sentance. A stud owner should take some responsability. Yes, the bitch owner has to sell them, but surly if they had problems you'd step in. When we discussed using Kenny, we talked about this. I would feel responsable. We would have to be prepared to do all we could to help home any pups. So for me Bitch/Stud owner both need to ensure homes are found or aleast keep them untill homes are found

Yea but normally the owner of the Stud, doesn't get the money from the puppys (I could be wrong though) normally they pay you to use your dog to have puppys but the owner of the bitch always makes more, but I agree with you, if I ever breed any dog I'd also make sure the puppys got into good hands etc.

Dave wrote:

DragonTheStaffie wrote:I live in Bodmin, near St Austell, like I said a very small town, we have nothing around here

Been on holiday a couple of times near you then last year (going back again at Whit week) some DF accomodation down from Liskeard

Oh that's nice, I don't go to Liskeard but it isn't that far from me.

DragonTheStaffie wrote:

Dave wrote:

DragonTheStaffie wrote:I live in Bodmin, near St Austell, like I said a very small town, we have nothing around here

Been on holiday a couple of times near you then last year (going back again at Whit week) some DF accomodation down from Liskeard

Oh that's nice, I don't go to Liskeard but it isn't that far from me.

Yeh , it's a great place (an old friend of Caryll ) Bo Turnell cottages at a place called East Taphouse but I remember Bodmin is less than 30mins away as we drove through it quite a few times on our travels

kenny d wrote:
Totally disagree with your 1st sentance. A stud owner should take some responsability. Yes, the bitch owner has to sell them, but surly if they had problems you'd step in. When we discussed using Kenny, we talked about this. I would feel responsable. We would have to be prepared to do all we could to help home any pups. So for me Bitch/Stud owner both need to ensure homes are found or aleast keep them untill homes are found

In practice, beyond checking that the bitch has had all necessary health checks & that there are no obvious faults etc, the stud dog owner has nothing to do with the pregnancy or the litter once it's born, and most bitch owners would want it that way! When I bred my two litters I certainly wouldn't have wanted the stud dog owner interfering!

DragonTheStaffie wrote:Yea but normally the owner of the Stud, doesn't get the money from the puppys (I could be wrong though) normally they pay you to use your dog to have puppys but the owner of the bitch always makes more, but I agree with you, if I ever breed any dog I'd also make sure the puppys got into good hands etc.

The owner of the stud can do one of two things;
1. If the dog is a proven stud (ie has already sired a couple of good quality litters of more than 1 pup) he'll charge a stud fee. The amount of that fee will depend on the dog's pedigree/titles/proven litters, or
2. If it's a maiden dog or one that has only sired one or two litters, he may defer payment until the litter is born. At that point he can either charge the fee or have pick of the litter (with prior agreement).

Most stud owners will choose the first option, and if the dog isn't proven will either charge a reduced fee or will offer a repeat mating if the first one doesn't result in a pregnancy.

Caryll wrote:

kenny d wrote:
Totally disagree with your 1st sentance. A stud owner should take some responsability. Yes, the bitch owner has to sell them, but surly if they had problems you'd step in. When we discussed using Kenny, we talked about this. I would feel responsable. We would have to be prepared to do all we could to help home any pups. So for me Bitch/Stud owner both need to ensure homes are found or aleast keep them untill homes are found

In practice, beyond checking that the bitch has had all necessary health checks & that there are no obvious faults etc, the stud dog owner has nothing to do with the pregnancy or the litter once it's born, and most bitch owners would want it that way! When I bred my two litters I certainly wouldn't have wanted the stud dog owner interfering!

DragonTheStaffie wrote:Yea but normally the owner of the Stud, doesn't get the money from the puppys (I could be wrong though) normally they pay you to use your dog to have puppys but the owner of the bitch always makes more, but I agree with you, if I ever breed any dog I'd also make sure the puppys got into good hands etc.

The owner of the stud can do one of two things;
1. If the dog is a proven stud (ie has already sired a couple of good quality litters of more than 1 pup) he'll charge a stud fee. The amount of that fee will depend on the dog's pedigree/titles/proven litters, or
2. If it's a maiden dog or one that has only sired one or two litters, he may defer payment until the litter is born. At that point he can either charge the fee or have pick of the litter (with prior agreement).

Most stud owners will choose the first option, and if the dog isn't proven will either charge a reduced fee or will offer a repeat mating if the first one doesn't result in a pregnancy.

I totally agree Caryll, but surely a stud owner (if the need arised) should or could be the 1st person the bitch owner called. If there was a problem with a puppy coming back and the bitch owner couldnt take it. If it was me, i wouldnt expect any money from the sale of the pups, i just think if im putting a dog out there, the very least i could do is help if it was needed.