whining and crying pup

hiya all we just got a pup yesterday and last night when we put her in her creat she was crying and every time we leave her to go out or put her out side on her own she crys and whines she 12 week old. has any one got any tips plz to get her use to being left on her own. will she grow out of this ? x

It's heartbreaking, isn't it?

She will get used to being on her own, it'll just take a few days (or less, hopefully!). What you could do, though, is leave a night light on, and maybe a radio on low - a talk station or some quiet classical music. Also, when you go out leave her a couple of good strong toys to play with, a kong stuffed with peanut butter & frozen will often keep them busy!

A blanket placed over the crate will help as well

Your pup is on her own probably for the first time in her short life, she does have to learn to be on his own but not by leaving him to cry.

If you are putting her outside to toilet how do you know she has done it if you are not with her? When toilet training our pups we need to go out with them so we can give lots of praise when they go. Pups also have a double wee, when she has been keep her out and walk round with her until she does the other one or she will do it when you bring her inside.

With a new puppy I put the crate next to my bed so I can reasure her during the night and she knows she isn't on her own. Also her moving round to toilet will often wake me up so I can take her outside. They learn to toilet outside a lot quicker if you take them out durning the night.

Things that may help her accept being on her own is to give her a hot water bottle well wrapped up of course, a clock for her to hear the ticking, leave the radio or tv on so she can hear normal sounds etc.

Good luck, just remember you have a baby and like all babies they need 24 hour attention until they a a little older but it does end.

Agree with cyril baby we had the crate upstairs by the bed for the first week and then moved it down to the hall where it still is, we have a duvet over the top to make it all secure with her and we put her favourite cuddly toy in there too, and lots of chew toys especially frozen kongs if we leave her alone throughout the day
jules
good luck

Cyril baby wrote:If you are putting her outside to toilet how do you know she has done it if you are not with her? When toilet training our pups we need to go out with them so we can give lots of praise when they go. Pups also have a double wee, when she has been keep her out and walk round with her until she does the other one or she will do it when you bring her inside.

With a new puppy I put the crate next to my bed so I can reasure her during the night and she knows she isn't on her own. Also her moving round to toilet will often wake me up so I can take her outside. They learn to toilet outside a lot quicker if you take them out durning the night.

Things that may help her accept being on her own is to give her a hot water bottle well wrapped up of course, a clock for her to hear the ticking, leave the radio or tv on so she can hear normal sounds etc.

Good luck, just remember you have a baby and like all babies they need 24 hour attention until they a a little older but it does end.

I have to disagree here. There's no way I could get my dog's crate into my bedroom! And I'm certainly not going to sleep on the chair in the kitchen. Also, in the real world pups do have to be left sometimes and they have to get used to it by being left alone. If they cry, they cry, but they soon quieten down as long as they're given things to play with & somewhere safe & comfortable to sleep.

99% of dog owners cannot give their pups 24 hour attention.

Caryll wrote:

Cyril baby wrote:If you are putting her outside to toilet how do you know she has done it if you are not with her? When toilet training our pups we need to go out with them so we can give lots of praise when they go. Pups also have a double wee, when she has been keep her out and walk round with her until she does the other one or she will do it when you bring her inside.

With a new puppy I put the crate next to my bed so I can reasure her during the night and she knows she isn't on her own. Also her moving round to toilet will often wake me up so I can take her outside. They learn to toilet outside a lot quicker if you take them out durning the night.

Things that may help her accept being on her own is to give her a hot water bottle well wrapped up of course, a clock for her to hear the ticking, leave the radio or tv on so she can hear normal sounds etc.

Good luck, just remember you have a baby and like all babies they need 24 hour attention until they a a little older but it does end.

I have to disagree here. There's no way I could get my dog's crate into my bedroom! And I'm certainly not going to sleep on the chair in the kitchen. Also, in the real world pups do have to be left sometimes and they have to get used to it by being left alone. If they cry, they cry, but they soon quieten down as long as they're given things to play with & somewhere safe & comfortable to sleep.

99% of dog owners cannot give their pups 24 hour attention.

Agree with Caryll here, when we first got Zeus, his crate was in the kitchen and we covered it with a blanket. For the first 5 days, he cried so much, it felt like I was torturing him but I stuck to my guns and never gave in. Soon enough, Zeus realised we would always come for him in the mornings and he got used to it. He wee'd in his crate the first two nights but after that learnt to keep it in and hes been fine ever since. When we say "go sleep", he knows hes in bed for the night.

I know dogs are not human but they do have similar feelings, would you leave a baby to cry like that? If you wouldn't why not? Leaving a baby no matter what species it is does cause psychological problems similar to if we leave a baby to cry like that.

Yes of course a puppy will stop crying eventually because he has learnt nothing happens, we have all seen those adverts on the tv of children who cry but don't get attention and the damage they do, it can happen to a puppy as well.

Of course they need to learn to be on their own at times but not by leaving them to cry for some time. The best way is to teach them to be on their own by working with them instead of walking away and letting them cry.

A young puppy does not need a big crate, as long as it is big enough for them to grow a bit it will be big enough, in fact for toilet training a big crate won't work, it needs to be just big enough.

There was a time when I wouldn't dream of having my dogs in my bedroom not even pups, taking on Tilly who had terrible problems when she came as a pup changed my ideas completely, never again will I leave a dog to cry no matter how old it is. I don't know what had happened previously to her but 6 years later she is still suffering from it.

There are many really good trainers and behaviourists now who will tell you never to let a puppy cry, they recommend that the puppy is with you at first then gradually move them out to were you want them to sleep. People who have a lot more experience than I do also recommend not letting the pups cry, are all these wrong?

Cyril baby wrote:A young puppy does not need a big crate, as long as it is big enough for them to grow a bit it will be big enough, in fact for toilet training a big crate won't work, it needs to be just big enough.

There are many really good trainers and behaviourists now who will tell you never to let a puppy cry, they recommend that the puppy is with you at first then gradually move them out to were you want them to sleep. People who have a lot more experience than I do also recommend not letting the pups cry, are all these wrong?

How ever small the crate would be, it wouldn't fit in my bedroom. Dempsey cried for a few minutes the first 3 nights - he was never distressed when I went in to him in the morning, in fact he was normally fast asleep.

I'm not saying they are all wrong - just that there are different opinions. If you have the time/space etc to do what you do that's great - I don't and many others don't. I also have to do things like shopping, errands etc that I cannot do with a pup (or an adult dog come to that) and the pup has to be left, whether it cries or not. Theory is all well and good, but sometimes the real world steps in and we have to find a compromise.

Caryll wrote:
How ever small the crate would be, it wouldn't fit in my bedroom. Dempsey cried for a few minutes the first 3 nights - he was never distressed when I went in to him in the morning, in fact he was normally fast asleep.

I'm not saying they are all wrong - just that there are different opinions. If you have the time/space etc to do what you do that's great - I don't and many others don't. I also have to do things like shopping, errands etc that I cannot do with a pup (or an adult dog come to that) and the pup has to be left, whether it cries or not. Theory is all well and good, but sometimes the real world steps in and we have to find a compromise.

If you read my first post you will see I have put other suggestions as well as putting the puppy in the bedroom, they will help give the puppy a feeling that there is something there to cuddle into.

At that age is is ideal for socialising the puppy by taking them out and about with you as much as you can, of course you can't take them everywhere so you leave them with things that will help them settle as I said in my first post.

Yes there are different opinions which is why these forums are good, everyone can give their experience so the person wanting the help can find what will suit them. Just because I think differently doesn't mean that either you or me is wrong, we have different opinions.

Cyril baby wrote: Just because I think differently doesn't mean that either you or me is wrong, we have different opinions.

But that's exactly what you are saying here.....

Cyril baby wrote:I know dogs are not human but they do have similar feelings, would you leave a baby to cry like that? If you wouldn't why not? Leaving a baby no matter what species it is does cause psychological problems similar to if we leave a baby to cry like that.

There are many really good trainers and behaviourists now who will tell you never to let a puppy cry, they recommend that the puppy is with you at first then gradually move them out to were you want them to sleep. People who have a lot more experience than I do also recommend not letting the pups cry, are all these wrong?

I just don't feel that the short periods when pups are first left (at night or when you have to go out) do any harm at all. An older, rescue dog that suffers from seperation anxiety, maybe; but that's a different matter.

How can you be so sure it causes psychological problems? If it did, he wouldn't want to go in there at night. If done correctly, it works. When its around 11pm, he knows its his bedtime, I open the back door, he does a wee and willingly goes into this crate, knowing hes going to get a treat and its bedtime. Wheres the psychological damage in that?

ty for all your replys

If it helps to add fuel to the fire, Tilly settled very quickly in her crate , sleeping in my daughter's room within a few days. Tommy it took a couple of weeks to settle , again in my daughters room , why , because we went tending him when he cried so he learnt that was the way to keep us going. As soon as I would go and wake him up late at night and early morning (our rules not when he was crying) to let him out to toilet he calmed very quickly we would go out with him let him toilet and then straight back in and a quick good night , light off and bed. No problems whatsoever , I can put him in his downstairs crate if we are going out and let Tilly wander free without having any worries, he would occasionally go in his crate through the day to sleep but not so much now as he sleeps on the bed of an evening .

It really depends how you want to use the crate , for us it was just somewhere to contain him unitl he could be trusted and somewhere safe whilst we went out to separate the 2 of them , but I think another couple of weeks and they will both be gone , upstairs and downstairs

Caryll wrote:

Cyril baby wrote: Just because I think differently doesn't mean that either you or me is wrong, we have different opinions.

But that's exactly what you are saying here.....

Cyril baby wrote:I know dogs are not human but they do have similar feelings, would you leave a baby to cry like that? If you wouldn't why not? Leaving a baby no matter what species it is does cause psychological problems similar to if we leave a baby to cry like that.

There are many really good trainers and behaviourists now who will tell you never to let a puppy cry, they recommend that the puppy is with you at first then gradually move them out to were you want them to sleep. People who have a lot more experience than I do also recommend not letting the pups cry, are all these wrong?

I just don't feel that the short periods when pups are first left (at night or when you have to go out) do any harm at all. An older, rescue dog that suffers from seperation anxiety, maybe; but that's a different matter.

I am talk about pups being left CRYING and not being left, there is a difference. It is much kinder to leave them gradually and teach them that they have nothing to fear when they are left on their own, leaving them crying doesn't do that, they give up because nobody is listening to them.

How can you be so sure it causes psychological problems?

How do you know it doesn't?

I will try and find information on this.

Dave wrote: Tommy it took a couple of weeks to settle , again in my daughters room , why , because we went tending him when he cried so he learnt that was the way to keep us going.

That's what I've found, and I really don't think any of my dogs have had an psychological problems by letting them cry at night.

Cyril baby wrote:I am talk about pups being left CRYING and not being left, there is a difference.

But they cry when you leave them as well. When I get a pup, I can't spend days building them up to me leaving them on their own for an hour. I have a family & have to do shopping - Virtually from day one they have to be left at some point, and I don't doubt that they cry for a while.

Again, I really don't think any of my dogs have had an psychological problems because of it.

Caryll wrote:It's heartbreaking, isn't it?

She will get used to being on her own, it'll just take a few days (or less, hopefully!). What you could do, though, is leave a night light on, and maybe a radio on low - a talk station or some quiet classical music. Also, when you go out leave her a couple of good strong toys to play with, a kong stuffed with peanut butter & frozen will often keep them busy!

Regarding the radio, I've actually had the opposite; Loki's more likely to cry when there's sound for him. I guess because he thinks someone is there to let him out lol.

Anyway, I can't give advice, Loki still cries now :\ not when it's time to sleep though, just because he wants 24-hour freedom. But whatever you do, don't give them attention while the crying is actually going on. They eventually learn to just settle down. Usually.