Black staffies

As I'm sure you know, Staffies, by some strange quirk of genetics do not actually carry the genes for solid black coats.
How would you feel if the kc reviewed the standard and decided that black dogs would now be accepted and staffies would be out-crossed with a suitable breed to receive the black coat colour gene and then bred back, over time, to the accepted standard?
Would you like a solid black stafford?
How do you feel about black and tan dogs becoming part of the standard? For anyone worried that black and tan would 'take over' other colours, this isn't true, it's not a dominant colour and the reason I believe now we have a greater understanding of coat colour genetics that black and tan should be accepted and celebrated.

And what about Liver?

No personally wouln't wanna see a pure black staff if it meant breeding with another breed too get this. i must say i love that their is no such thing as a solid black they always have brindle.

Dont see why any colour shouldn't be accepted if they meet all of the other standards imo.

And what about Liver

Well if the standard was amended to let nose and eye colour correlate with coat colour i.e liver dogs having liver noses, lighter eye rims etc then I would love to have liver accepted. But as I was asking ,out of curiousity, about solid black I didn't want to muddy the waters with liver
I don't think a lot of people would like staffies to have light eyes and lighter noses, possibly a liver staffy would be more at risk of being picked up as 'type' as people associate light noses with pitbulls.

b&t is domnimant in any other couple but reds. Then the pups have the gene and it will be passed on to other dogs. it WOULD dominate. i don't think that they should be allowed personally.

as for solid black, how solid are we talking? black lab solid or can it have markings? im not sure what a totally solid one would look like...it would look kind of boring and indistinct, like most labs lol

shakespearesdog wrote:

And what about Liver

possibly a liver staffy would be more at risk of being picked up as 'type' as people associate light noses with pitbulls.

thats a good point

i think someone told me i think it blaze solid black dogs are normal still borns

as for solid black, how solid are we talking? black lab solid or can it have markings? im not sure what a totally solid one would look like...it would look kind of boring and indistinct, like most labs lol

I think liver coloured labs look great, it's a great colour. Not a fan of labs in general though, I wouldn't like to get the black colour from labs-this is probably distinct to my local area and my personal experience and isn't based on any sort of scientific basis-but I find black Labradors to be highly aggressive, the other colours do not seem to be so challenging. Of course this all purely hypothetical but white markings would be allowed like with other staffy colours or they could be pied.

b&t is domnimant in any other couple but reds.

Ah but staffies only have two base colours anyway-red and white. Blue and fawn are dilutes and recessive anyway. Dobermans only base colour is black and tan and they still have both liver and blue dogs.
I understand your point though.

think someone told me i think it blaze solid black dogs are normal still borns

I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stillbirth

no dog is 100% black

The gene for the black coat colour in dogs doesn't cause stillbirths. In domesticated dogs unbanded dominant black is the most dominant allele-colour , it is the "default" eumelanin colour for dogs and the colour they would all revert to without being selectively bred. Even dogs that only have one copy of the gene will be black-you may see some brown on the coats of solid black dogs. This is called bronzing and is the sun lightening the hairs. There are many dog breeds that have solid black dogs; German Shepards, Labrador Retrievers, Schipperkes, Standard and Miniature Poodles to name a few.
There is a type of hair loss condition associated with solid black dogs but no sort of problem involving still birth. If there was I doubt they'd be the huge amount of black labs running around in my local park-labs are not permitted any white markings at all except a small dot on the chest.
I'm guessing you wouldn't want black staffies then?
There are some coat colours that are damaging for dogs-Merle dogs that are from two Merle parents will likely been born deaf and/or blind. Solid white dogs will always be deaf.

everyone is wrong again i see...

everyone is wrong again i see...

Well I'm sorry if you find some sort of offence in me pointing out you are quoting misinformation? I thought as you have been given wrong information you would find it interesting. All I wanted to know was if people would like black staffies.

Id say stop breeding, there's too many out there why breed more just to get a colour we want, what happens to the ones we use to get that perfect colour? It maddens me that us humans can be so ruthless and selfish, we're messing with little lives here! No offence to anyone on here just my opinion...

no one talking about breeding, also remember staffy only live for avg age of 10 stop breeding any animal with a avg age like a staff could be damaging to the breed.

its soceity the problem....

yes they have red and white. so if a b&t mates with a white you get some pups, if that white pup mates with a black/brindle there is a chance of a b&t

Sorry Steve I thought we was talking about breeding with another breed to get pure black....breeding should somehow be policed, its just sad how many unwanted staffs there are and we're talking about what colour we'd like

yea it is sad we have so many unwanted dog but this is becasue of our society a good breeder kc or not would have plenty of good home all lined up for the pup before he/she bred his dog.

Well that's nice to know thanks, I have always rescued so always seen the effects of bad breeders..

The breeder i got lexi off had a questionaire to fill in to be able to take a pup home, like how much garden you had, where you lived (countryside or apartments or cardboard box) and they said everyone had to fill it out before they would let them go! I thought that was great

Me i wontn't sell any pup to people i didn't know..

shakespearesdog wrote: Solid white dogs will always be deaf.

Um, no. Not all solid whites are deaf.

allbino be born deaf

I wasn't thinking about albino, I have no idea about that - you're probably right there. I know a couple of solid white staffs and a solid white boxer and they are not deaf.

did they have black naose?

Nope. Oh, yes, one of the staffs have. The other and the boxer don't. They're not albino's though. They all have dark eyes.

you only get problem with white if they are allbino that why you should never breed 2 white together

That's why I objected to Jade's generalisation, it's not ALL whites that are deaf, but albino's or offspring from white and white that can have issues.

I wasn't thinking about albino, I have no idea about that - you're probably right there. I know a couple of solid white staffs and a solid white boxer and they are not deaf.

No of course not, but any white with no pigmentation on the ears are born deaf. I love white dogs, i'm not bashing white dogs at all. I adore white bull terriers and staffies and I hope my next staffy will be white. It is a strong risk when breeding white dogs though, they are more prone to deafness.
I had no idea a metaphorical question would p*ss so many people off I just wondered if people found solid black staffies aesthetically pleasing.

Sorry Steve I thought we was talking about breeding with another breed to get pure black....breeding should somehow be policed, its just sad how many unwanted staffs there are and we're talking about what colour we'd like

It's only metaphorical-just imagine we have excellent homes lined up for any offspring already.

I personally don't care as much about color as I do about personality. If a staff was born, I'd like it just as I do my two white and one red. However, I wouldn't want to see any additional blood added to get any color just for color sake. I say, breeding two good dogs who are healthy and conform to the standard and who have excellent and stable personalities, and I'm a fan (going with the assumption that they all have homes etc, etc, etc)