Protecting his bone! Help!
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Protecting his bone! Help!
by Loz&Dan Mon Feb 20 2012, 21:56
Hi
Jasper has started becoming obsessed with his bone he's usually the sopiest dog in the world wont touch a fly. But whenever my 11month yr old rescue puppy goes to have a look in he shows his teeth and growls at her (baring in mind ive never heard him growl before) and if she does get too close it almost looks like he goes for her but doesn't barking at her and play biting.
i'm not sure this behaviour is normal?
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Re: Protecting his bone! Help!
by Guest Mon Feb 20 2012, 22:05
It's behaviour you must stop now, what's he like if you try and take the bone away ??
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Re: Protecting his bone! Help!
by Loz&Dan Mon Feb 20 2012, 22:13
He's fine with us if i or anyone else tries to take it away he just lets us. But not with faith he won't let her anywhere near it untill he gets bored.
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Re: Protecting his bone! Help!
by Guest Mon Feb 20 2012, 22:18
so this is quite common behaviour and just letting her know how the land lies, I know you must never let him get possessive with you and should always be able to take anything off him. Maybe someone else can advise you better on stopping it , but at the same time Faith has got to learn that everyone is allowed to have their own rules , up to a point. Can't you give them both a bone together , maybe then they will push each other a bit and learn a little more about sharing, does that sound right ??
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Re: Protecting his bone! Help!
by Loz&Dan Mon Feb 20 2012, 22:26
Yeah we have tried that but jasper just runs of with it and wont let faith have it haha. I think its to do with Faith changelling jasper as its always what jasper has no matter what it is and then faith gets into the play position barking and changelling him resulting in jasper being defensive n being like this is my toy my terrority, but im just worried that one day he may go for faith when no ones around hes such a good boy but ive never seen him show his teeth or growl before and it does worry me.
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Re: Protecting his bone! Help!
by Guest Mon Feb 20 2012, 22:32
Bones are a common trigger for 'resource guarding' (aka food aggression).
You have several choices;
A. If your dog is ok with humans taking the bone
1) You take all bones away from both dogs, thus removing any guarding tendencies
2) You give them both a bone in seperate rooms
3) You teach Faith to leave Jasper alone when he has a bone
4) You keep Faith well away from Jasper when he has a bone
B. If your dog is not ok with humans taking his bone
1) You take all bones away from both dogs, thus removing any guarding tendencies
2) You work with Jasper to improve (and eventually remove) his resource guarding
Until you've worked out which way you're going to tackle this, I would keep Faith well away from Jasper's bones! You could end up with a full on fight.
Either way, you must teach Faith not to take food from Jasper - it's really asking for trouble, even with a submissive dog!
You have several choices;
A. If your dog is ok with humans taking the bone
1) You take all bones away from both dogs, thus removing any guarding tendencies
2) You give them both a bone in seperate rooms
3) You teach Faith to leave Jasper alone when he has a bone
4) You keep Faith well away from Jasper when he has a bone
B. If your dog is not ok with humans taking his bone
1) You take all bones away from both dogs, thus removing any guarding tendencies
2) You work with Jasper to improve (and eventually remove) his resource guarding
Until you've worked out which way you're going to tackle this, I would keep Faith well away from Jasper's bones! You could end up with a full on fight.
Either way, you must teach Faith not to take food from Jasper - it's really asking for trouble, even with a submissive dog!
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Re: Protecting his bone! Help!
by Loz&Dan Mon Feb 20 2012, 23:37
I do already verbally tell them off for it but it doesnt seem to be working at the moment but i will use these tactics.
Thank v much for the advice x
Thank v much for the advice
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Re: Protecting his bone! Help!
by shakespearesdog Tue Feb 21 2012, 16:58
My dog will let people take food out his mouth but when the cat comes near him and he's got a chew he grumbles at her and if he can walks off with the chew. The cats not even interested! 
I can't add anything to the great advice Carylls given you.
I can't add anything to the great advice Carylls given you.
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Re: Protecting his bone! Help!
by Loz&Dan Wed Feb 22 2012, 00:48
Yeah jaspers exactly the same just with faith n not the cats haha! but then again i dont think the cats would dare to go anywhere near the dogs lol. x
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Re: Protecting his bone! Help!
by Guest Wed Feb 22 2012, 01:00
Caryll wrote:Bones are a common trigger for 'resource guarding' (aka food aggression).
You have several choices;
A. If your dog is ok with humans taking the bone
1) You take all bones away from both dogs, thus removing any guarding tendencies
2) You give them both a bone in seperate rooms
3) You teach Faith to leave Jasper alone when he has a bone
4) You keep Faith well away from Jasper when he has a bone
B. If your dog is not ok with humans taking his bone
1) You take all bones away from both dogs, thus removing any guarding tendencies
2) You work with Jasper to improve (and eventually remove) his resource guarding
Until you've worked out which way you're going to tackle this, I would keep Faith well away from Jasper's bones! You could end up with a full on fight.
Excellent advice
Either way, you must teach Faith not to take food from Jasper - it's really asking for trouble, even with a submissive dog!
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Re: Protecting his bone! Help!
by Guest Wed Feb 22 2012, 08:41
My skye can be very food dominant coming from a place where she had to share a small bowl of food between 6brothers IF they were fed!!
So needless to say she feels she has to protect her food, we always with our dogs pick up and move food bowl, treats, and toys from the dogs from pups or as soon as we own them to get them used to it skye however dont have food dominance with us, its with vinnie.
If they both have treats like bones vinnie must eat his on his bed and skye must eat hers in her crate to avoid any confrunation, and when they are finished they both go straight outside for a couple of minutes so skye forgeta about guarding anything that MAY be left .. Small treats i make them sit next to each other amd they have them one at a time skye first then vinnie first then swap etc so skye can ser vinnie getting a treat dont mean she misses out.
Food wise we do the same she eats in her crate he eats not far away then they go outside while i remove bowls etc.
Besr to knuckle down on it and tell him of i he goes for the other dog as its not acceptable, remove the bones as if to say if you cant eat nice you wont have it.
Its working with skye but one slip up and she will try to test you again .. Be firm! And keep to it
So needless to say she feels she has to protect her food, we always with our dogs pick up and move food bowl, treats, and toys from the dogs from pups or as soon as we own them to get them used to it skye however dont have food dominance with us, its with vinnie.
If they both have treats like bones vinnie must eat his on his bed and skye must eat hers in her crate to avoid any confrunation, and when they are finished they both go straight outside for a couple of minutes so skye forgeta about guarding anything that MAY be left .. Small treats i make them sit next to each other amd they have them one at a time skye first then vinnie first then swap etc so skye can ser vinnie getting a treat dont mean she misses out.
Food wise we do the same she eats in her crate he eats not far away then they go outside while i remove bowls etc.
Besr to knuckle down on it and tell him of i he goes for the other dog as its not acceptable, remove the bones as if to say if you cant eat nice you wont have it.
Its working with skye but one slip up and she will try to test you again .. Be firm! And keep to it
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Re: Protecting his bone! Help!
by Guest Wed Feb 22 2012, 11:30
staffy-lover89 wrote:My skye can be very food dominant coming from a place where she had to share a small bowl of food between 6brothers IF they were fed!!
So needless to say she feels she has to protect her food, we always with our dogs pick up and move food bowl, treats, and toys from the dogs from pups or as soon as we own them to get them used to it skye however dont have food dominance with us, its with vinnie.
If they both have treats like bones vinnie must eat his on his bed and skye must eat hers in her crate to avoid any confrunation, and when they are finished they both go straight outside for a couple of minutes so skye forgeta about guarding anything that MAY be left .. Small treats i make them sit next to each other amd they have them one at a time skye first then vinnie first then swap etc so skye can ser vinnie getting a treat dont mean she misses out.
Food wise we do the same she eats in her crate he eats not far away then they go outside while i remove bowls etc.
Besr to knuckle down on it and tell him of i he goes for the other dog as its not acceptable, remove the bones as if to say if you cant eat nice you wont have it.
Its working with skye but one slip up and she will try to test you again .. Be firm! And keep to it
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Re: Protecting his bone! Help!
by NatureClip Wed Feb 22 2012, 12:06
I completely agree with Caryll and staffy-lover89
I have only recently fostered a dog when I have another dog in the home. When I first gave them a chew each, I was nervous.
It is OK for one dog to be more dominant than another to a certain extent, but as the pack leader, if you are not happy with the actions of one of your dogs, you need to tell them. I use a quick, firm but gentle, three finger tap and a 'chh" or 'ah!'noise at the same time for correction in these circumstances.
I always find though, that it is the small things that we do to display leadership that help to prevent/overcome food aggression. I know it sounds daft, but not letting them graze, not leaving toys around, walking through gates and doors first, occasionally removing toys and treats from them all help to establish who is boss. You don't need to be super strict and I very rarely raise my voice, just make sure everything is on your terms.
I have only recently fostered a dog when I have another dog in the home. When I first gave them a chew each, I was nervous.
It is OK for one dog to be more dominant than another to a certain extent, but as the pack leader, if you are not happy with the actions of one of your dogs, you need to tell them. I use a quick, firm but gentle, three finger tap and a 'chh" or 'ah!'noise at the same time for correction in these circumstances.
I always find though, that it is the small things that we do to display leadership that help to prevent/overcome food aggression. I know it sounds daft, but not letting them graze, not leaving toys around, walking through gates and doors first, occasionally removing toys and treats from them all help to establish who is boss. You don't need to be super strict and I very rarely raise my voice, just make sure everything is on your terms.
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Re: Protecting his bone! Help!
by Loz&Dan Wed Feb 22 2012, 20:11
Thats brilliant advice thank you alll 
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Re: Protecting his bone! Help!
by Loz&Dan Sat Feb 25 2012, 22:40
Hi everyone just a quick update i know its only been a few days but ive been working really hard with faith and jasper to stop this and they're doing really well.
This evening whilst i was watching tv jasper was chomping on his bone quite happily n faith was just watching she occasionally walked over to him but just had a sniff and nothing else and jasper didn't react at all So pleased i know its early days but will continue with all the great advice from you guys thank you so much, really appreciated x
This evening whilst i was watching tv jasper was chomping on his bone quite happily n faith was just watching she occasionally walked over to him but just had a sniff and nothing else and jasper didn't react at all
So pleased i know its early days but will continue with all the great advice from you guys thank you so much, really appreciated x
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by Guest Sat Feb 25 2012, 22:49
Great news!! we too have made success with skye too! She has the occasion where she will test boundries but Alot better and we have been doing it about 3wks now .
Keep at it well done!
we too have made success with skye too! She has the occasion where she will test boundries but Alot better and we have been doing it about 3wks now .Keep at it well done!
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Re: Protecting his bone! Help!
by Loz&Dan Sat Feb 25 2012, 23:04
Thank you pleased you have had success too
pleased you have had success too
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by Guest Sun Feb 26 2012, 00:42
Good news! Well done with all the hard work!
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Re: Protecting his bone! Help!
by Loz&Dan Tue Feb 28 2012, 22:54
Thank you it hasn't been happening at all now, faith really is learning the meaning of no and to leave jasper alone really pleased.
Starting puppy training classes this week aswell so its getting better
Thank you.
really pleased. Starting puppy training classes this week aswell so its getting better
Thank you.
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