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Post by wentzer Mon Jan 09 2012, 01:40

This has been for awhile, I know according to things I've read that some staffies can have issues with other dogs.
Daisy has been well socialized with both dogs and humans, but I have notice that she has issues with other female dogs, I can't say it's all of them but most of them. Once she has sniffed them, her hackels go up, she growls, she will pin them down in a submissive position and growl,(never seen teeth) she has never bite or hurt. when she does this the other dog normally gets defensive and starts back at her. I always jump in as fast as I can, but I am scared that one time I am not going to be fast enough. She has absolutely no issues with males, and she has played with a female French bulldog/Pug mix since the frechie was little with no issues.

Since, we have noticed these issues, we do avoid the situation when at all possible, but we also have the issue where there are dogs that see her and they start growling and all, getting daisys defensives up, here again is that an issue with daisy er the other dog?

AS i said we do try to avoid the situation by going the other way er avoiding other dogs to a point, when we see them, but it makes it tough because I wanna take her to the big doggie park but am scared. What would be the best way to fix this issue, because I dont feel avoiding other dogs is a good thing? she has been through obedience training, and is usually well behaved and listens to her commands. Blushing Its very embarressing
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Post by Guest Mon Jan 09 2012, 03:18

Some dogs will just not get along. You are doing the correct thing by avoinding the situation. If she is geting along with most dogs it's not a big issue. If you go to the park try only letting her offleash with dogs she gets along with and avoid the others. When meeting a new dog see how they interact on lead.

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Post by wentzer Mon Jan 09 2012, 03:38

Thanks, that is what thought. Sometimes also she is fine on the lead and then when she is off its another story, so we will grab her and have her sit in a spot next to us, trying not to give attention to her for a couple minutes, as a time-out to see if that would help her understand that is bad. then we will let her try again. but it resorts back into the bad behavior, and we totally just up and leave. I've noticed this with a lot of the smaller dogs shitzu ect. but it does happer with large ones also. is this correct?
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Post by Kathy Mon Jan 09 2012, 09:26

Have you noticed if she stares at the other dogs as this will be seen by another dog as confrontational. If so try covering her eyes and just walk away.
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Post by Guest Mon Jan 09 2012, 10:33

I would only let her play off lead with dogs you are absolutely sure of. If she tries to dominate another dog (that's exactly what she's doing - being dominant) then pull her away and make her sit. Teach her to 'watch' you by holding a treat near your face & saying 'watch' - as soon as she looks at you, give her the treat. You'll have to do that many times, but after a while as soon as you say 'watch' she'll stop whatever she's doing & look at you. As soon as she does that you have regained control & you can either put her on lead, or try introducing the dogs again.

Do NOT allow her to continually pin dogs down as sooner or later there will be an accident & one or other of the dogs will be hurt. If she tries, stop her.

When you're out, keep her on a lead near other dogs unless you are absolytely certain that she gets on with them. If you want to introduce her to a new dog, do so on lead at first and correct any attempt at dominance.

However, you should be aware that some staffs never really get on with other dogs & you might have to accept that.

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Post by Guest Mon Jan 09 2012, 12:02

iv got this to an extent with Memphis he great with 99% of dogs and 100%of bitches its just the 1% that's the problem its just he don't get on in the slightest with male staffy apart from my mates staff buster who tolerate each other
which in turn restricts his free running time as i need to bee 100% certain there are no male staffs off lead

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Post by wentzer Tue Jan 10 2012, 00:27

Caryll we have taught her "watch" but I guess we will have to work on it more so that it becomes a more prominet thing. thanks. now that you say that It would prolley help when she keeps looking around when I tell her lets go when its time to come inside. lol
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Post by Guest Tue Jan 10 2012, 14:25

Caryll wrote:Do NOT allow her to continually pin dogs down as sooner or later there will be an accident & one or other of the dogs will be hurt. If she tries, stop her.


I agree with Caryll 100% .When Tyson tries to dominate he gets 'time out' on the lead and has to sit by my side while the other dogs continue to play.

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Post by Rocchet Sat Jan 14 2012, 10:44

Hi, i have a similar problem. Stellar is 14 months old and has always been great at the dog park but in the last few weeks has been really going for any other dominant girl dogs(particularly if they are small and fluffy!) I think she is just reaching maturity and her dominance is now becoming an issue. i put her on lead immediately and she stays beside me on lead for the rest of the time, but doesnt seem to be helping. We have got a puppy to keep her company at home, so i think we need to resign ourselves (however sadly) to the fact that she just wont be able to socialise with other unknown dogs off lead. It is a shame because she really loves to play with 80% of dogs, but she really sounds and looks awful when she goes at them (although she hasnt yet used her teeth) and even though i feel a twinge of annoyance that noone cares that the little fluffy dog came in all growls and posturing, i understand that it would be my dog finishing the fight and therfore my responsibility. I really thought early and prolonged socialisation would prevent me having this issue, but i guess not. Any other ideas as to how to change the behaviour would always be welcome.
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Post by gem Sat Jan 14 2012, 11:18

The thing that upsets me the most is some saying if you properly sociolise your dog when a puppy then you will not get issues and if you do then its the owners fault and they have simply failed in there training.
I really take that to heart and it upsets me as I know that nothing could change the way my dogs first reaction to another will be.
With training you can manage your dog but dont ever beleive that you can just let it off lead and it will instantly get along okay with every dog it meets and although other dogs behavour gets on your nerves you have a duty to protect both your own and others from attacks.
Some beleive that neutering helps there dog I wouldnt know but I threw in the towel many years ago with mixing with strange dogs for mine.
I will follow with interest any comments too cause this issue has me beat also.
But looking into the breed it is a trait and will always be there Joe mallen once said a "true staffordshire bull terrier cannot stand the sight of another dog" Smile
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Post by wentzer Sat Jan 14 2012, 17:44

Rocchet- there again sounds like the same things I am dealing with. Daisy loves other dogs when far enough away but when close enough they annoy her (er something).
Gem yes I have looked into the breed and reasearched, and have found that found it is a trait also, and as I have said we have soicalized. but I am just taking it with what i can. Training has helped but Its not covered the problem. and truthfully I have just been avoiding all situations that I can. It just makes it tough cause she wants to go play with them, tail wagging and she gets excited, but then it turns uncertain.
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Post by Guest Sat Jan 14 2012, 18:15

Billy is the same, I would say I think he is a bully, he is fine with boy or girl dogs that are same or bigger than him, but he seems to hate small dogs and he has attacked 2 small dogs so now we take no chances, it's horrible when it happens


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Post by Lizzie Sat Jan 14 2012, 20:42

Gem, I had not heard that before - how true!

At first I beat myself up and got quite stressed when my boy started to show aggression to some dogs and thought I was in some way to blame. Its just me and him and we have a very special and close one to one relationship but I DID socialise this dog more than the other 5 staffs I had previously.

When we are out walking his attitude to some dogs can be 'I'm enjoying a walk with my mother so bogof', but some, especially smaller dogs, he will pass the time of day with and then quickly walk on. Larger dogs get short shrift.

I had him neutered for health reasons 6 months ago (not to calm him down) and he is still da but its a much more manageable reaction and over much quicker and I think now I'm calmer and more accepting of the situation I can improve it further.

I can tell from his manner and body language whether he is going to walk past an approaching dog or get feisty and if its feisty I usually just say to the owner, my dog will kick off but please ignore it. Of course like everyone else I live in dread of the loose canon dogs with owners who are useless.

Regretably, although I sometimes feel guilty, I do not allow him off lead with other dogs about, but this is for his own protection, because if one had a go at him I just know he would fight and nobody would believe it wasn't the staffies fault.

So I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think in all honesty you can ever completely change this trait in a staff, just manage it well and learn to live with it.



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Post by kellenny Sat Jan 14 2012, 20:44

Sandi is fine with 99% of dogs. She will happily sniff and play and run around with them. We did have a strange period a few months back, for a bout a week or two she had a go at every dog that came up to her (which was VERY unusual for Sandi). We were vigilant for a while, but (touch wood), she is ok now. It is just the odd one dog that she may have a go at. She makes lots of noise but comes away as soon as we call her - she has never used her teeth. I think it's like people - you can't get along with everyone, but as long as you can control them, you can deal with it. Sandi now goes on a long walk with our dog walker and 3 other dogs every day, and has been having a great time.

Does your Daisy like balls? We found when Sandi was going through her funny patch, that if she had her favourite ball in her mouth, she ignored all the dogs anyway.
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Post by wentzer Sat Jan 14 2012, 23:25

Daisy loves ball, but I have not found anything to keep her distracted enough so she just ignore them while they sniff her and get to know her.
She also has issues when they go up to her butt and sniff her butt, I thought this was normal, so I dont fully get that. that has only been since she was spaded.
I have noticed her triggers/ things she does when she doesnt like it and those are the ques I go off of. to walk away.
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