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Post by Rebecca Wed Dec 21 2011, 16:07

Hi everyone!
I need a little help please, i started Cali on the prey model raw last week and everything seemed to be going fine, (i'm using chicken as a starter) but he has vomited his last 3 meals up nothing has changed much in the ratios 80% muscle meat 10-15% bone 5% organ meat (except liver at the mo) i think in the beginning i had more bone ratio, so i don't know what to do, he has had the runs a little one poop is ok the other runny poop , i suppose this is the point when everyone panics and thinks i should go back to dry food but i don't want to do that.
Can anyone suggest something, should i try mince or something different help!
Cali would be ever so grateful.


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Post by Guest Wed Dec 21 2011, 17:21

I am sure I have read somewhere here that sometimes they have a sensitivity towards chicken. I think any new food should be introduced slowly. What was Cali on before?

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Post by Guest Wed Dec 21 2011, 17:24

It could be the chicken. Try substituting beef or lamb, with lamb bones instead of chicken.

Is he drinking ok & seems otherwise healthy?

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Post by Rebecca Wed Dec 21 2011, 18:06

He is drinking at the moment, but he always looks sorry for himself after vomiting.
He was on Pro Plan before but i did read to switch to the diet without mixing because of the different time of the digestion process with kibble and raw meat it could cause blockages.
He was a little lively at the park a couple of hours ago trying to get friendly with a lady friend but when we got back home he seems not his normal self.
I am worrying a lot because a couple of months ago i had a 300e vets bill because of a blockage in his intestine i just don't know if he has a sensitive tummy or something is blocking it again.
I have been careful to watch him chew the bones well and he has not been gulping his food. Im just a little concerned.
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Post by Guest Wed Dec 21 2011, 18:11

It could well be a chicken intolerance, however 'off' stools either runny or too dry is too be expected when first starting out, as is 'some' vomiting.

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Post by Guest Wed Dec 21 2011, 18:21

If he's drinking ok then it probably isn't a blockage, but keep an eye on him & if he appears a bit 'off' (lethargic etc) then pop him to the vets.

The reason it isn't advisable to feed both raw & kibble is because of the different digestion times, not because it'll cause a blockage. If you want to feed both, then feed raw in the morning & kibble in the evening - just don't mix the two together.

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Post by Rebecca Wed Dec 21 2011, 18:57

Thanks, I will try a bit of beef tonight and see how that goes, it's dinner time so ill let you all know the results in a few hours.
Wish me and Cali luck I dont want to s
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Post by Ben Wed Dec 21 2011, 19:09

I'd go to lamb before beef. Beef is a really high quality protein but getting enough bone will be more difficult unless you do ribs. Also, beef can be a bit pricey to feed. Keep with it and you will find a protein source that will work well for him.
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Post by Aniemother Wed Dec 21 2011, 19:39

Sounds a bit early to add organ - perhaps you've done too much different too fast and upset the stomach? What's the vomit like? Undigested food? Bile? Something in between?

I would have withheld food for a day and then gradually start on the chicken again (no organ until the stools have been good for at least 3 or 4 days). I think adding another protein source this early might make things worse, but hopefully it'll work okay. Reacting to raw chicken is very unusual, but it does happen.
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Post by Rebecca Wed Dec 21 2011, 20:49

His vomit is undigested food, then the second time bile, But it is now a bit too late to give him lamb as i gave beef a go about an hour and a half ago.
so we will see... it is a learning process. Maybe you are right about the chicken and i got a bit too adventurous a bit too soon, I was a little worried that his poop was too hard and after he pooped he was bum dancing on the floor so that is why i introduced the organ meat after a week.
Thanks everyone for talking me through this he is a lot cheerier now and it has been about 5 hours since he vomited so as i said we will wait and see what happens tonight, thinking
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Post by Aniemother Wed Dec 21 2011, 22:35

Fingers crossed! Keep us posted Smile Oh - and have you double checked that the chicken didn't contain salt? They can be very sneaky about putting salt into "natural" chicken. Just an idea -my cats will throw up if I give them salty meat by mistake (and keep throwing up for a while after).

Also - though I advice using only chicken to begin with I'm not actually that good myself. I just use whatever the others are eating here when I'm introducing a new dog or cat.. but whenever there are issues I tend to advice the "ideal" way Smile I have never had any issues with my dogs mixing up different meats in the beginning.
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Post by Rebecca Thu Dec 22 2011, 06:13

So all is well this morning so far Big Grin no vomiting in the night just have to wait for the results of his number 2.
I usually buy my meat from a halal butchers because there is a lot around where i live and usually it is far better than the supermarket meat (i eat it myself) so i don't think there is added salt.
Do you think i should try another beef portion for his breakfast (i actually bought beef yesterday and had it put through the mincer machine so he had no bone last night) or should i see what happens with chicken bone and all (no organ meat)
And just wondering what are gizzards and tripe classed as?? (for future reference)
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Post by Guest Fri Dec 23 2011, 01:16

Gizzards are mixed - the kidneys/liver are offal whereas the neck & heart are muscle meat. Tripe I've always considered offal, but I know that some (especially prey model) consider it muscle meat.

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Post by Ben Fri Dec 23 2011, 01:20

I don't do tripe. I stick with other offal like liver, kidneys and liver.
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Post by Rebecca Fri Dec 23 2011, 07:15

Well After our beef experiment it stayed down, so he got chicken with bone the following morning which also stayed down..... but the poor little boy has got the bum runs doh
He turned his nose up to dinner last night but Im gonna give chicken another try today.
He is still his usual happy self so im not worrying so much now.
Thanks again for all your help.
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Post by Guest Fri Dec 23 2011, 07:44

Bones normally make the poo harder

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Post by Ben Fri Dec 23 2011, 14:11

Runny bum can happen when so many things change. If it is still runny after a day or two, then we need to do something else would be my guess.
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Post by Rebecca Tue Dec 27 2011, 10:35

Pleased to report that after a few days Cali is doing fine no runny bum and no vomiting. This is his 2nd week on raw, when do you think i should mix things up a bit... start varying the meat and adding organs etc.
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Post by Aniemother Tue Dec 27 2011, 16:12

Since he seems to have a fairly sensitive stomach I would go pretty slowly. At least one more week on bone-in-chicken before you add another kind of meat. Add just a little of the other meat alongside the chicken and gradually increase the amount of meat #2 until it's the main protein source. I would add at least one more protein source, preferably two, before gradually adding organ. Of course they should only get a little organ meat compared to the other meats so you're not looking for a whole meal of organs. But start with one kind of organ (like kidney or liver) and wait a week or two before adding another.
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