thinkin bout future

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Hi peeps!
just a quicky :-P i want ruby to have pups (not yet obviously maybe in bout 18 months) shes black and white and her mum was more dark brindle, what would her pups look like if she had sexy time with a blue? X any help wld be great, like i said i was just wondering

Best of friends, really - honestly!

Actually, we're not that far apart in our views. I just feel that responsible owners don't necessarily need to neuter because they will not breed their dogs indiscriminitely.

blaze666 wrote:caryll i think u no as well as i do that if a male stafford smells a female then there is always the possibility of an accidentle mating the male running off escaping etc so to say a responsible owner wouldnt allow it is to say there is no possibility of of my dog ever running away or escaping which is an impossible thing to say....x

Oooh, I've had 5 un-neutered male dogs, and none of them have ever run off to find an in season bitch! I have had several un-neutered females, and again none have ever been accidentally mated.

It's a matter of being in control and careful. Seriously.

If my male ever mated with a bitch & it wasn't planned, I would offer to go at least halves with the vets bill (as long as it was partly my fault - if it was totally my fault I'd pay the lot) to end the pregnancy.

Yea thats great but theres still a chance it could happen.....there just is.

blaze666 wrote:Haha me caryll and bigwazza can always be trusted to start a debate and always get our opinion across! No-ones wound up dont worry lol x

as blaze says no ones wound up we just take this kind of thing in our stride that is what the forum is for

and blaze i will admite there is a problem but on a whole its not as bad as some places in my area
went on to the pound and shelter sites and they both show there are more lurcher and small terrier types here
the fact being there is to much breeding as a whole right across the board of all breeds

blaze666 wrote:Yea thats great but theres still a chance it could happen.....there just is.

the two jackrussel dogs i had when i was younger were not castrated we always managed to keep them away from in season bitches but im under no ilushion given quarter of a chance they would have been away its what comes natural

Caryll wrote:Best of friends, really - honestly!

Actually, we're not that far apart in our views. I just feel that responsible owners don't necessarily need to neuter because they will not breed their dogs indiscriminitely.

If u plan to show your dog and thats why your getting it then fine obviously they will need there goolies! lol But for the average person buying or rescueing a dog as a pet then get them off asap bitch before her first season and dog asap around 6 months when theyve properly decended. Bitches you wont have to deal with the mess and the possibility of accidentle mating etc and keeping her away from all dogs when in season and dogs u wont have the chance of them escaping/running off when smelling a bitch on heat and it could possibly help with agression dominence issues from occuring later on down the line.....

my vet wont even consider castration untill 10 months old and 6 months for a bitch just her personal veiws i think

Oh yea i think ur right bigwazza each vet has different views! Mine will do bitches from 6 months before first season and boys and about the same age or when the balls have fully deasended

blaze666 wrote:

Caryll wrote:Best of friends, really - honestly!

Actually, we're not that far apart in our views. I just feel that responsible owners don't necessarily need to neuter because they will not breed their dogs indiscriminitely.

If u plan to show your dog and thats why your getting it then fine obviously they will need there goolies! lol But for the average person buying or rescueing a dog as a pet then get them off asap bitch before her first season and dog asap around 6 months when theyve properly decended. Bitches you wont have to deal with the mess and the possibility of accidentle mating etc and keeping her away from all dogs when in season and dogs u wont have the chance of them escaping/running off when smelling a bitch on heat and it could possibly help with agression dominence issues from occuring later on down the line.....

you can still show male dogs that have been neutered, many vets replace their testicles with artificial ones for show purposes, i have seen a couple of these dogs who have had this operation and you wouldn't know the difference,

haha do you go round looking at dogs nackers shane

and the vet mentioned that to me when we were having our puppy talks and it rather an inexpensive procedure and deff something to consider
and solves the problem of non castration due to showing

wow i never knew that shane! Well great that solves that problem then.....no excuses now peeps.....get em' off! Haha

blaze
id hate to be your hubby when you deside no more kids

Trust me we've had that conversation soooo many times, and he's defo had his fair share of accidental matings!! lmao!

tell him the only way forward is abstanance and he will soon change his mind haha

blaze666 wrote:[get them off asap bitch before her first season and dog asap around 6 months when theyve properly decended. Bitches you wont have to deal with the mess and the possibility of accidentle mating etc and keeping her away from all dogs when in season and dogs u wont have the chance of them escaping/running off when smelling a bitch on heat and it could possibly help with agression dominence issues from occuring later on down the line.....

Now THAT annoys me. A dog should be allowed to mature before neutering - you can get all sorts of problems otherwise.

Caryll wrote:

blaze666 wrote:[get them off asap bitch before her first season and dog asap around 6 months when theyve properly decended. Bitches you wont have to deal with the mess and the possibility of accidentle mating etc and keeping her away from all dogs when in season and dogs u wont have the chance of them escaping/running off when smelling a bitch on heat and it could possibly help with agression dominence issues from occuring later on down the line.....

Now THAT annoys me. A dog should be allowed to mature before neutering - you can get all sorts of problems otherwise.

as blaze says wait untill theve properly decended most vets will agree this is the best time to do it 6-10 months

We must agree to disagree. Dogs & bitches should be allowed time to mature before neutering. Before first season is WAY too early, as is 6-10 months for a male. Their characters have not yet formed, neither have their gender traits. Dogs can become nervous if neutered too early as they have not matured enough to become self-confident.

Vets have their own agenda - ie ££££'s.

As u said caryll agree to disagree i think lol If vets cant even agree on the subject then i dont think that we have much hope of coming to a conclusion....

Just as a last word (as this has gone REALLY ), I found this site very informative & reasonably well balanced:

http://www.doglistener.co.uk/medical/neuter.shtml

yes looks like a good site i havent got time to look at it properly right now but will do later! Its such a diverse topic so many pros and cons.....lol

blaze666 wrote: so many pros and cons.....lol

That's the problem, I think. Don't get me wrong, I'm not totally against neutering (although I wouldn't have it done to my dogs) but I think that people are not given the full facts (especially by vets) before neutering, and I'm not convinced that it would stop indiscriminate breeding anyway - those who do that wouldn't neuter, so you'd end up with no decent litters being born, but loads of sub-standard ones with health problems.

Caryll wrote:We must agree to disagree. Dogs & bitches should be allowed time to mature before neutering. Before first season is WAY too early, as is 6-10 months for a male. Their characters have not yet formed, neither have their gender traits. Dogs can become nervous if neutered too early as they have not matured enough to become self-confident.

Vets have their own agenda - ie ££££'s.

but do you not think the vets would not be so worried about age as they will still get the same money for neutering at any age caryll??

No. If they let people think about it they might not want to do it. So it's important to them to get it done quick. I know I'm probably being unfair to some vets, but............

My own vet, who I know quite well, the first visit with Dempsey was like "You know what age to get him castrated, don't you?" That was before he'd even asked any questions about him! And that's a good vet.

Whatever anyone thinks about breeding we have to continue breeding the sbt, if we all said we would stop breeding and give rescues the chance to recover responsible breeders would stop byb would breed more if there is a maket for puppies they would be supplied no doubt about it

Not long ago I got Blue done as you know......the younger the dog/bitch is the cheaper the op is. I think castration started at about £150 and Blue was in the most expensive bracket of over 1 at about £220

gem wrote:Whatever anyone thinks about breeding we have to continue breeding the sbt, if we all said we would stop breeding and give rescues the chance to recover responsible breeders would stop byb would breed more if there is a maket for puppies they would be supplied no doubt about it

This is, unfortunately, right. We need to educate people to breed responsibly, not railroad everyone into having their dogs neutered before they're even mature.

I have to jump in on this one cos I need some advice. I was advised to have charlie neutered at about 10 months because I dont want to stud him and apparently it greatly reduces the risk of aggression issues. Having read this thread tho, i'm wondering what problems due to early castration you are referring to Caryll? I want to make sure I have all the facts before I do something that might be bad for Charlie that I cant take back.

10 months is not too early at all shontelle most vets will neuter from 6 months is or as soon as the calls have fully desended. There is no evidence to prove any of what either i am saying or caryll is saying which is the reason why vets differ in opinions on neutering. Regardless 10 months is defo not to young to cause problems.

Thanks Blaze. Its obviously a subject that people feel very strongly about!

in the research i have done it would seem 10 months is the age you should be thinking about castration there testies have desended fully and all suppy tissues around the area have matured.
iv not made my desision on this issue yet im just glad iv got six months to mull over the pros and cons (believe me it will take that long to deside)

lol yea it is shontelle! But as bigwazza says 10 months is really a fine age to neuter even if u believe u have to wait for a dog to mature as caryll does x

BlueStaffBlue wrote:Not long ago I got Blue done as you know......the younger the dog/bitch is the cheaper the op is. I think castration started at about £150 and Blue was in the most expensive bracket of over 1 at about £220

thats expensive over here in Ireland they have a dogs trust set up so you can get you're dog neutered or bitch spayed for 20 euro, thats about 17.50 sterling.

I think i'll come over there when I want to get Charlie done!

Yeah I used dogs trust and it cost me £30 but it should of cost £220. But not everyone is entilted to it. Lucky for me Blackburn was one of the areas they reguard as over populated with dogs. If your area is covered by the dogs trust you have to be on some sort of benifits. Im on working tax which is one of the benifits that entiltes you to it.

My husband gets working tax and I get child tax credits so maybe I could get it too. I will have to google it and see if they cover plymouth. I cant afford £220 to get his balls chopped off.

All you have to do is phone dogs trust on 0845 606 3036 and tell them you are phoning to see if you qualify for the subsidised neutering. They will ask for your post code. If you qualify they will tell you the vets that take part in the scheme in your area. Phone the one you wish to use and book the dog in. The when you take the dog in for the op take proof of the benifits that you claim and job done.....simple as that. Think the scheme is excellent and if I get another dog Dogs trust will probably be the first place I look.

Brilliant, thanks BlueStaff, I'll give that a go when the time comes.

Shontelle wrote:My husband gets working tax and I get child tax credits so maybe I could get it too. I will have to google it and see if they cover plymouth. I cant afford £220 to get his balls chopped off.

Shontelle wrote:I have to jump in on this one cos I need some advice. I was advised to have charlie neutered at about 10 months because I dont want to stud him and apparently it greatly reduces the risk of aggression issues. Having read this thread tho, i'm wondering what problems due to early castration you are referring to Caryll? I want to make sure I have all the facts before I do something that might be bad for Charlie that I cant take back.

Without getting back on to the whole too young/not too young issue, I would just say that castration doesn't always solve aggression issues. If a dog is castrated before it is fully mature it may never gain full confidence & could then show signs of fear aggression. Or may not. It's an emotive subject. Once again, I'm gonna plug this site as a fairly balanced view of if and when to neuter:

http://www.doglistener.co.uk/medical/neuter.shtml

Not saying if you do not castrate etc.....because doesn't mean your gonna breed them like rabbits but nice link Caryll. From it I was astonised at the following line:-

Left to there own devices. two dogs and their offspring can produce 67,000 young over a 6-year period.

BlueStaffBlue wrote:Not saying if you do not castrate etc.....because doesn't mean your gonna breed them like rabbits but nice link Caryll. From it I was astonised at the following line:-

Left to there own devices. two dogs and their offspring can produce 67,000 young over a 6-year period.

yeah and you would have 67000 crazy mutant dogs with 2 heads and 3 legs running around the place

Shane I don't think you should be encouraging more people to breed

I personally would not castrate any of my dogs unless it was due to a health issue. I dont see the need unless you have numerous dogs if you only have the one I dont see why.

If Blue had a great temperment when I got him battered by some idiot family I wouldn't of got Blue done. But he was becomming so aggressive to a point where I was losing pack leader status. With Blue it calmed him down the day I brought him back.We have a better relationship now and to be honest you can see Blue looks a million times happier.
The only other time I would get a dog castrated would be if he was roaming and jumping my 6ft fence to do so....but again in 30 years I've only seen one dog do this to a point that it was impossible to stop him escaping

BlueStaffBlue wrote:Shane I don't think you should be encouraging more people to breed

I don't think people need too much encouragement to breed - I mean there's a population explosion in a lot of countries at the moment!

gem wrote:I personally would not castrate any of my dogs unless it was due to a health issue. I dont see the need unless you have numerous dogs if you only have the one I dont see why.

Neither would I, but I can understand why some people want to. I just feel that the age that is recommended by a lot of people is way too young. Especially in the larger dogs as they do not fully mature till they're about 2 years old.

Just thinking my dog is 8 now not castrated if he had been castrated I wonder if he would have been the same dog that I have today or would he of been different.

gem wrote:Just thinking my dog is 8 now not castrated if he had been castrated I wonder if he would have been the same dog that I have today or would he of been different.

you will never know now gem

shane wrote:

gem wrote:Just thinking my dog is 8 now not castrated if he had been castrated I wonder if he would have been the same dog that I have today or would he of been different.

you will never know now gem

just thinking out loud being daft I no ill never no now

gem wrote:

shane wrote:

gem wrote:Just thinking my dog is 8 now not castrated if he had been castrated I wonder if he would have been the same dog that I have today or would he of been different.

you will never know now gem

just thinking out loud being daft I no ill never no now

ah i bet though you would not change him for the world though

BlueStaffBlue wrote:If Blue had a great temperment when I got him battered by some idiot family I wouldn't of got Blue done. But he was becomming so aggressive to a point where I was losing pack leader status. With Blue it calmed him down the day I brought him back.We have a better relationship now and to be honest you can see Blue looks a million times happier.
The only other time I would get a dog castrated would be if he was roaming and jumping my 6ft fence to do so....but again in 30 years I've only seen one dog do this to a point that it was impossible to stop him escaping

I had a mongrel bitch many years ago I had her speyed and she still jumped the fence was forever bringing her home from down the street