Who shows ?

by Double_G Sun Oct 17 2010, 15:57

First topic message reminder :

Does any one on here show there staffs,iv been thinking about having a go just as a bit of fun,and also i think it will be good to socialise my pup (allthough i realise the dog has to be 6months old to enter a show)

by Hollie C Tue Nov 02 2010, 15:56

How do you get them up lol

by Guest Tue Nov 02 2010, 15:59

Hollie C wrote:How do you get them up lol

try this link in tutorials:

https://staffy-bull-terrier.niceboard.com/tutorials-faqs-f16/post-an-image-from-photobucket-to-the-forum-t69.htm

by Guest Tue Nov 02 2010, 16:16

yep as caryll says Smile

by Guest Tue Nov 02 2010, 16:31

Wow i agree too yea do as caryll says Big Grin

guys!!!!!! we have just agreed on something yay!! x

by Guest Tue Nov 02 2010, 17:07

by Guest Tue Nov 02 2010, 20:58

blaze666 wrote:Wow i agree too yea do as caryll says guys!!!!!! we have just agreed on something yay!! x

Knew we could do it on something! =D>

by Hollie C Wed Nov 03 2010, 20:25

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This is all of my staffies Smile

by Guest Wed Nov 03 2010, 20:28

ah lovely pics, AL has turned out to be a right cracker

by Hollie C Wed Nov 03 2010, 20:31

Thank you

Yes well hope the judges keep thinking so lol

by Guest Wed Nov 03 2010, 20:40

Hollie C wrote:Thank you Yes well hope the judges keep thinking so lol

i cant see why not, hes all there, smashing dog Big Grin

by Guest Wed Nov 03 2010, 20:44

All three are gorgeous, but Al's a cracker!

by **gem** Wed Nov 03 2010, 21:15

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< Al is really lovely a nice example the other 2 are lovely also lovely pictures good luck in showing him

by Guest Wed Nov 03 2010, 21:23

AL would be a fine sire for my Katie.

by Guest Wed Nov 03 2010, 21:25

You have 3 gorgeous dogs.

by Hollie C Wed Nov 03 2010, 21:44

Haha any time shane, havnt had any requests from anyone for breeding him but alot of interest in him for being a cracking dog.The other two have been completely spoilt rotten due to their old age! But thank you for the lovely comments about my dogs Big Grin

by Guest Sun Nov 14 2010, 23:35

hi holly hows you, just a quick question for you as i know you show you're dog AL, The breed standard for staffs weight and height is between 14 to 16 inches in height, and the weight is between 28 to 38lbs, but can you tell me how the judges determine how the breed conforms to the height and weight standard,

by Guest Mon Nov 15 2010, 10:19

Shane, they do it by sight & experience! I used to show Bandit & he was a little over the height standard. A couple of judges mentioned him as 'top sized' or 'slightly over-sized' but then went on to say that his good points outweighed that. If a dog's slightly over the standard it's a minor fault & like all faults it should be treated in proportion to it's degree.

by Hollie C Tue Nov 16 2010, 20:29

Yes its just by sight they determine it.The only thing they really check up close is the teeth, ears, coat and tail

by **gem** Thu Nov 18 2010, 00:11

The judge checks the overall confirmation and balance if the dog is built right its movement will be free and will maintain a good topline on the move they no from experience the height and weight they check every bit of the dog and it comes with experience

by Hollie C Thu Nov 18 2010, 21:14

Yes the dog has to walk up and down the mat twice so the judge can see whether the dogs back legs are pushing and front legs pulling

by Guest Fri Dec 03 2010, 00:30

Hollie C wrote:Yes its just by sight they determine it.The only thing they really check up close is the teeth, ears, coat and tail

i was given the wrong information, a fella told me that the weight and measure the dogs before they enter a comp and if they are not within the standard they are disqualified, just goes to show you don't believe everything you hear Crying or Very sad

by Guest Fri Dec 03 2010, 00:37

shane wrote:
Hollie C wrote:Yes its just by sight they determine it.The only thing they really check up close is the teeth, ears, coat and tail

i was given the wrong information, a fella told me that the weight and measure the dogs before they enter a comp and if they are not within the standard they are disqualified, just goes to show you don't believe everything you hear

dam i heard you were going to send me 50 quid for xmas shane so is that not true Crying or Very sad

by Guest Fri Dec 03 2010, 00:40

dam i heard you were going to send me 50 quid for xmas shane so is that not true Crying or Very sad

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yeah thats not true im sending you a hundred rolling on the floor

by Guest Fri Dec 03 2010, 00:43

whhhha tell you what you just keep that and i will keep the ton i was sending you m8 thanks alot shane thumbs up

by Guest Fri Dec 03 2010, 00:45

bigwazza wrote:whhhha tell you what you just keep that and i will keep the ton i was sending you m8 thanks alot shane

sound job, happy Christmas bud

by Hollie C Fri Dec 03 2010, 09:15

No well they def havnt weighed or measured al or sukie when she was showing!

by davidstoncold Mon Dec 06 2010, 16:26

i have been to a few dog shows just to have a look and have a chat with some people who are showing dogs. i had my eyes opened by one person who could tell me dogs who would win even if they werent the best dogs there. he told me which dog in nearly every class which would come out as best . due to who knows who judges etc. and in one certain case of a dog whos owners paid a walker to walk their dog , now the walker was well known to the judges so the dog did win this class . call me skeptical but the world of championship showing is a closed shop imho . if you are not in the clique your dog can be the best dog according to breed standard but it wont win..

by Guest Mon Dec 06 2010, 16:29

yes i would totally agree with the above post, its not what you know, its who you know

by davidstoncold Mon Dec 06 2010, 16:33

i would love to show ice my dog . but it would be a waste of time and money . one because he is blue and another because i dont know any judges.. i would show him for fun though in small dog shows etc..

by Guest Mon Dec 06 2010, 16:39

davidstoncold wrote:i would love to show ice my dog . but it would be a waste of time and money . one because he is blue and another because i dont know any judges.. i would show him for fun though in small dog shows etc..

blue is a standard kennel club colour, i cant see why you should be penalised for having a blue dog shown, or is it that you think some judges dont like the blues

by davidstoncold Mon Dec 06 2010, 16:53

a lot of judges wont even look at a blue dog , there is no way they are going to let their lines become lesser valued due to choosing a blue dog over their lines . the likes of valglo, chrashkon , sparstaff, and many other top breeders wish their lines to be the best dogs even if they are not . if you notice with lots of breeds of dogs the standard stays similar to breed but not exact to breed as trends change. staffordshire bull terriers looks have changed over the generations to suit breeders personal preferences . all you have to do is look at pics of the breed through the generations to see how the look of the dogs have changed . this is the case with most breeds .

by **niff** Mon Dec 06 2010, 18:18

if you look at the winners in the staffy bit on the crufts site there are some blue's winning , but back to your point on the shows , i've sold a bitch to a couple up in aberdeen they have a 10yr old dog and when he was younger they had a go at showing , and they basically told me everyhting that you put in your post david , so kind of backs up what your saying

by davidstoncold Mon Dec 06 2010, 19:02

when i was younger my auntie bred and showed Pekingese dogs which where cruft champions . and she knew when and which shows to take her dogs to as she knew the judges that where at these shows..

by davidstoncold Mon Dec 06 2010, 19:04

regarding the blue staffy i have heard of one blue dog that has qualified for crufts next year but i have yet to see any pics of it or who owns this dog . maybe someone on here has more info on the dog .

by Hollie C Mon Dec 06 2010, 22:31

Well now a days some judges go by the dog and others by face, My dog lost out on a championship ticket because the other man was well known to the judge.

by sbt4me Fri Feb 04 2011, 23:41

i grew up in Labradors and showed and trained and showed a few over the years. Now i show my staffords here in the USA.

by JoNaThAn Sun Jul 03 2011, 02:09

Double_G wrote:Does any one on here show there staffs,iv been thinking about having a go just as a bit of fun,and also i think it will be good to socialise my pup (allthough i realise the dog has to be 6months old to enter a show)

by **gem** Sun Jul 03 2011, 02:21

JoNaThAn wrote:
Double_G wrote:Does any one on here show there staffs,iv been thinking about having a go just as a bit of fun,and also i think it will be good to socialise my pup (allthough i realise the dog has to be 6months old to enter a show)

You are changing the heading of the post instead could you post in the reply box and not change the title Big Grin

by Staffymum74 Mon Jul 04 2011, 01:31

Yea i think ur right i think that if a blues conformation is better than another dogs then they will triumph but the point is u dont see many standard nice looking blues as they are mostly bred for colour x[/quote]

ha just wait iv got a blue champ in the making Tongues

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I too am concentrating on perfecting the Blues, I intend on getting them out there into the show circuit and hopefully produce enough quality to the standard of the favoured blacks. However, there is a problem with over breeding the blues purely for the colour in the uk as they are usually considerably more expensive to buy, but many (apart from a select few that are in it to improve them) are breeding without a thought to what they are breeding, unfortunately this happens to every nice breed of dog out there including another breed recently that I have owned years ago and still love, the dogue de bordeaux although these days the quality here is so poor I wouldn't risk a lifetime of monstrous vet bills due to hereditary illness from poor/over breeding. Sad

by Guest Mon Jul 04 2011, 10:32

Excellent post, gem!

by Staffymum74 Mon Jul 04 2011, 11:20

Thanks for that Gem Smile

I know how cut throat the show circuit is only too well, and I am aware that blues aren't rare and have been around for a very long time and also less favoured, but that is also because the quality of the blues usually isn't very good (either too long in the muzzle, incorrect stop and too leggy, heck I've even seen a blue stud dog that was 23" unbelieveable!). My first bitch puppy is from very good lines, short legged, stocky and large bully heads, rose ears. She was a culmination of a line breeding of Ch Vanoric Voo Doo and she is showing so much potential. I plan on mating her when she's of age (and some) to a really true to type black staffy that took me quite a while to find. The dog in question throws blues, I plan on keeping back a female pup that has potential and type from this mating, that if I am lucky enough to get a show quality female pup. I will also be possibly sourcing an outside show quality male from slightly different lines, so I am keeping tabs on other peoples breedings & show results too. If I cannot find a suitable blue dog, I will acquire a show quality black. I will definitely keep everyone updated though. & thanks again for the pep talk! Wink

by **gem** Mon Jul 04 2011, 11:41

Staffymum74 wrote:Thanks for that Gem I know how cut throat the show circuit is only too well, and I am aware that blues aren't rare and have been around for a very long time and also less favoured, but that is also because the quality of the blues usually isn't very good (either too long in the muzzle, incorrect stop and too leggy, heck I've even seen a blue stud dog that was 23" unbelieveable!). My first bitch puppy is from very good lines, short legged, stocky and large bully heads, rose ears. She was a culmination of a line breeding of Ch Vanoric Voo Doo and she is showing so much potential. I plan on mating her when she's of age (and some) to a really true to type black staffy that took me quite a while to find. The dog in question throws blues, I plan on keeping back a female pup that has potential and type from this mating, that if I am lucky enough to get a show quality female pup. I will also be possibly sourcing an outside show quality male from slightly different lines, so I am keeping tabs on other peoples breedings & show results too. If I cannot find a suitable blue dog, I will acquire a show quality black. I will definitely keep everyone updated though. & thanks again for the pep talk!

Oh you sound right up my street and sound like you definatly know what your doing so good luck
Good breeding is imperitive especially for the sbt future well done you Big Grin

by Staffymum74 Mon Jul 04 2011, 11:56

Good breeding is imperitive especially for the sbt future well done you Big Grin

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You are so right Gem, it's going to take some good work to do what is right for the future of this breed, careful thoughtful planning! Wink

by Staffymum74 Mon Jul 04 2011, 12:25

I've been on your site before during my search, I was admiring that boy of yours he IS a stunner! l-o-v-e

by Staffymum74 Mon Jul 04 2011, 12:29

He also shares some of Maya's ancestry! Smile

Sparstaff Dominator and Ch Conestones Yer Man (Dominator is Maya's gt gt gt gt grandsire) I have forgot which Constones is though! thinking

by Guest Mon Jul 04 2011, 12:32

Staffymum74 wrote:I was admiring that boy of yours he IS a stunner!

He is a beauty, isn't he?

by **gem** Mon Jul 04 2011, 12:35

Staffymum74 wrote:I've been on your site before during my search, I was admiring that boy of yours he IS a stunner!

by Staffymum74 Mon Jul 04 2011, 12:38

Oh yes he certainly is! His structure is impeccable! That's what I want to have the blue's looking like eventually, it will take some very hard work! (but I have a cunning plan though hehe) Tongues

The good breeders need to work together on this though to keep this breed in top form, it will take many to undo what others have done wrong! Sad

by Staffymum74 Mon Jul 04 2011, 13:09

lol I will keep my eyes peeled, so I can have a cuddles! hehe Love Struck

& Your so right, people who know what they are doing, sit, wait, watch and plan very carefully! Over breeding is wrong and there are so many staffy's and other dogs in shelters that nobody wants, it's unfair on the dogs and very irresponsible. A dog should not be bred for money or an income, it should only be bred to improve and benefit the breed!

I will keep you posted but it will be a good year plus before I have any puppies! Smile

I want to get my little lady around the circuit first and let her mature to her full potential! Smile

Gem did you post the message V...below....V on here by accident? ROTFLMAO! Laughing

(to be honest I've only just noticed it about 3 +hours later! Doh)

It will be manny years before I get another Im enjoying my 2 and my home is complete my girl is my boys soul mate it wouldnt be fair to him to get a puppy. In the future Id like to help by doing a bit of fostering for the sbt rescue and then who knows what will happen then ive got a little cunning plan of my own Laughing

by Staffymum74 Mon Jul 04 2011, 19:53

Gem did you post on my post by accident ^^^ lol

I would love to do a little fostering too, but my place at the moment is only big enough for the 3 I have planned for now, I'm hoping to relocate into the country within the next 2 years though so that may become a reality! Smile

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