Buying Advice

Hi everyone,

This is my 1st post but I have been looking here for a while, great site!

Today is the day we go and pick up our dog, a little blue staff who is 12 weeks old today! We are paying a hell of a lot of money for him as he has all paperwork and a clear bloodline with the kennel club, the breeder took him well out the area to breed with a champion dog and insure that there is no inter breeding.

I have just been reading in the FAQ that you shouldn't buy a puppy that is the result of 2 blues? How advisable is this as this puppy has both blue parents?

Thanks,
Luffy

This may help   
https://staffy-bull-terrier.niceboard.com/t17716-colour-dilution-alopecia

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That link explains it xx

Hm, it's strange that he put that much effort into breeding but bred him with another blue.. Have you checked out the bloodlines yourself to ensure all he's saying is correct? People generally do charge a ridiculous amount for blues, god knows why, they're gorgeous but it's just another colour really!

I'm glad you've come along to ask

Thanks for the replies!

I haven't checked out the blood line yet but she has all the papers going back 5 generations. This pup was the 1st born from a litter of 6, the mother is blue and the dad is known as the blue bouncer and apparently is a champion dog with good bloodlines, if anyone wants to comment on that it would be appreciated as we don't really know much about the blue bouncer. We wanted to get a dog that had a good amount of history but this has just got me a little worried now!

I have read the post on this, should we avoid this puppy at all costs or is it just a small chance that ge would develop the alopecia?

Thanks

I'm not sure of likelihood of it occurring, but somebody else may have that answer. As to whether you go ahead it's entirely up to you; main things to consider for if it do occur are if you can afford the vets bills and special supplements to keep him comfortable (and be aware that he MAY always be uncomfortable to some degree) and if you mind having a dog with bald patches (some people would be put off by this if they want to show, for example) and of course you shouldn't ever breed from a dog with this condition. It's a gamble for sure, but not a guarantee that he will get it. I've seen it in lots of blues coming into rescue, with owners dumping them off because of it, unfortunately it is quite common. My girl is fawn, so a dilute too, I took her in as an adult stray so don't know breeding and we've never had any problems with coat, though she has very sensitive skin in general, which is managed through diet and supplements.

Ok I think as know the bloodline and exactly where he has come from I'm going to go for him, his dad (blue bouncer) looks fantastic and I'll give the mum a good check tonight when I see her too.

I'll try and post a photo tomorrow :-)

Luffy wrote:Today is the day we go and pick up our dog....

Seems an odd kind of day to be asking these questions.

Hope it all goes well today. Looking forward to the pics   

Unfortunately I only found out about it today

Seeing the dam and sire will make no difference, CDA comes from blue/blue matings and from what I can see the parents came from black/blue, which means there's still a chance that your pup will have it. They seem to breed blue/blue a LOT (from ad's online) which says to me that they're breeding for colour (which personally I think is silly and irresponsible breeding) and the cause of so many problems in our staffords, due to breeding for looks and image rather than temperament and health. Guess all we can say is to be prepared, these pups have to go somewhere and if you're happy to care for them should problems arise, then that's great

What are the names of both parents?

If I have it right, Looking up the blue bouncer he's 11% inbred, what's the dams name? The average inbreeding coefficient for this breed is
6.7%. To find out your pups COI you need the dams name? I totally agree with rach re:- irresponsible breeding of two blues purely for colour!

They stud him SO much I'm not sure of the litter in question, but don't know if this would help you find out more Hayley http://www.k9puppy.co.uk/Puppies/StaffordshireBullTerrierforsale.aspx

Can't see the dams name rach, he's really studded out a lot xx

I don't think I could justify spending £900 on a pup when there are soo many in rescue   

Did all go OK, is he home now? x

How can these Breeders justify charging so much for Blue puppies? When I started looking for Puppies I could find nothing but Blues which I wasn.t particularly interested in due to a) personal taste and, b) fears of "breeding for colour" alone. Having owned Staffordshires before it was the temperament and personality I was looking for.

I understand paying a premium for a good Pedigree and I eventually done so to some extent however, my initial searches only found Blue litters so they are far from rare. So how do Breeders justify these inflated prices?

I think its just because they know they are so popular   

when i was looking for a puppy someone got into contact with me offering a blue puppy with papers really cheap. I didn`t no anything about the problems with blue puppies till i joined the site. I turned them down because i wanted a younger puppy and knew blue normally sold for a lot more. I`m glad i didn`t now and wonder if there was any problems with the little fellow

You have to worry about the well being of litters bred for colour / money and, when issues arise due to bad breeding, the pups are moved on with no vetting of new owners (or worse).

Sorry Luffy, I have sort of hijacked your thread here for a rant. I am in no way implying that this is what your breeder has done. Just wondered about the prices.

Again Sorry.

I originally wanted a blue pup, but due to not having a car I emailed breeders for pics, I looked at the surroundings rather than the pup and that alone put me off, I'm glad now I didn't. I got banes really cheap for a kc reg dog, I'm really glad I waited and got banes cause I didn't know until I joined about blue staffs either, by the way banes is black.

I wasn't aware of the Colour Dilution issues until I read about it here. I have learned so much here. Great Site with Great people.

Thanks Tony   

Hi everyone, he is home now and to say he gas been good is an understatement. Traveled brilliantly in the car, ate a bit, played a bit, had cuddles, met the cats and didn't even take any notice of them! We put him in his cage about 10 and he didn't complain one bit and fell asleep!

The breeder cried when we left and has been texting me all night to make sure he's ok so I know that he's been looked after however she has been feeding him some terrible, cheap and nasty food which we will get him off of next week. She was the sort of lady that probably doesn't use the internet much so she has just been doing what she thinks is best. We got to see mum and she was lovely too. She did however say that she specifically looked for another blue to mate with so she got all blues and I suppose that's irresponsible of her for not looking up the dangers of doing so but we just couldn't resist this beautiful little thing in the end as her house was very clean and she had genuine love for the little guy we knew he'd been loved and taken care if (minus the food)

I suppose all we can do us hope that nothing goes wrong with him down the line

Tony don't worry about the hijack. She showed us all the details which is better than not showing it so although she has bred for colour, at least we know all of its bloodline

Glad that he's home okay and settled no doubt he has been cared for, although I would expect somebody that's breeding puppies to know about the basics of nutrition! It's all very odd, but he's safe and sound now and I'm sure you will do your very best by him! Everybody is here for advice or just a chat whenever you fancy it wishing you the best of luck with your boy! Xx

She sounds like a genuine Dog lover who obviously cares a great deal about the Puppies and their well being. You can't blame her for being unaware of any issues. As I said above, I had no idea about the possible problem until I came here.

Enjoy your new family member. You have chosen a wonderful breed of Dog who will give you many great moments of pleasure, laughter, love, loyalty, embarrassment, and frustration.

That was the only surprise I got with my Pups Breeder. She was very caring. Vetted me. Asked for references, Gave me lots of advice and was great throughout. I even see her turn away a potential owner after he had made a two hour train journey to see the Pups because she "didn't like the look of him".

Then, when I collected Barney, she was feeding Pedigree Dry. I almost fell over!

I will change this when he has been with us a week, so that he has settled first.

BTW, Barney is doing great. Even better than I could have wished for.

i can't understand why blues are so expensive!!!! fair play if it's a rare natural colour but where i live,in the black country,it's staffie central and it seems everybody has a blue. there are hundreds of them and i fear for the classic pied and brindle colours which no one seems to want anymore.

Glad he's home safe and sound with you and I really do hope nothing develops down the line, fingers crossed he's happy and healthy I'm sure if problems arise you'll take good care of him, it sounds like you've fallen in love with him already... now post some pictures lol!

Also, TonyW you said

She sounds like a genuine Dog lover who obviously cares a great deal about the Puppies and their well being. You can't blame her for being unaware of any issues. As I said above, I had no idea about the possible problem until I came here.

If they are a breeder, there's NO excuse for not knowing about these issues, if they are responsible breeders, they would have done their research, they will know and they will avoid breeding blue with blue.. Its a breeders responsibility to know these things

Any pics of the little fellow yet?   

That's true Debs. They should know of the issue if they are going to breed the Dogs.