can anyone answer my question ???

Hey all
I was just wondering why american staffys are banned in england? in australia we are allowed them but not pittys.
I no some think american and pittys are the same dog just different names,but here we can register AST but get in big trouble for pits.
just a question im confussed about

becasue they are pitbull but with a standard

Kennel clubs around the world didn't want to add the pitbull terrier to their official breeds, so a group of pitbull terrier owners decided to call their dog american staffordshire terrier and come up a with a standard and so many years after that the american kennel club and others accepted the american staffordshire terrier as a official breed. but today there are still some american staffordshire terriers are being registered as pit and american staffy just depends what type of pit you pefer.

ok then thanks but what do you mean with a standard?

Just wanted to add the reason why they are banned over here in Norway, even if you didn't ask for it. Pit Bulls were banned many years ago, but Am Staffs were banned a few years back (along with a few other breeds) because they looked too similar to the Pit Bulls so it was had for the police to keep them apart ( this was considered important partly bc quite a few registred AmStaffs were actually Pit Bulls that had gotten a legitimate AmStaff pedigree after cheating with registrations). Now there's a silly argument for you.. Let's just imprison everyone that looks like a criminal 'cause otherwise it's too hard for the police..

sorry just got the longer version of your respose,thanks heaps
i get it now

haha very true well said i have always been confussed , didint no in norway they were banned,guess every where is different,in america pittys are allowed i think.

moni wrote:ok then thanks but what do you mean with a standard?

http://staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/kennelclubbreedstandard.html <--- this the kennel club standard for staffordshire bull terrier

http://staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/americanstaffordshireterrierstandard.html <--- for kennel club standard for american staffordshire terrier

yeah I got a surprise too when I read on this forum about american staffys being banned in the UK.....

not just american staffy anything that look like a pitbull, you could have a crossbred say lab X staffy or lab x boxer if they have any similar to a pit they are ban also and may be sezied.

wow sounds strict over there haha,but i no where your coming from makes sense steve

vanessa wrote:yeah I got a surprise too when I read on this forum about american staffys being banned in the UK.....

yeah i no,in america pittys are fine,here there not,and in uk american staffys or look alikes are banned. funny ay

i dont know why their even a dog laws it's unforceable & there plenty of type breeders around i would say are even better then pitbull's

yeah true,we are pretty strict here to, alot of debates about the pitty,i hear about attacts in us ,but there still legal? im still a firm beliver on how you bring a dog up anyhow.

just had a look there are 5 breed that are banned in Australia. the American Pit Bull or Pit Bull Terrier, Dogo Argentino, Fila Brasileiro or the Brazilian Mastiff, the Japanese Tosa and the Presa Canario.

yea it's the deed not the breed

wow really, to tell you the truth i havent heard much about these dogs,my neigbour has a mastiff that is concidered agresive under aussie law,but is fine to have here. So does terries come under the same categorie? i mean my dog and english staffys? if so why are they legal in uk?

Pit Bull Terrier, Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino, Fila Braziliero and any dog crossbreed that is similar to these dogs

ok interesting,hopefully one day they dont decide to band english staffys,i mean u can make a maltise terrier aggresive,its a debate that can go forever haha, i say let all dogs have a fair go. So all the dogs u mention above are they legal where ever they come from,wonder?

i dont think any more dogs will be banned in the uk again becasue last time it they spend millions to try to get rid of pitbull & type and i would say there are more today then their ever as been.

yeah i agree,the dogs there trying to band or have, have become more popular over the years and in a good way,there are alot of orgainisations around the world trying to educate people about american staffs and pitts witch is ggod

i think well i hope the goverment know it's the owner who are to blame not the breed. so i'm sure they will get more tougher on dog figher & bad owners

American Staffordshire Terrier, Central Asian Ovtcharka, Dogo Argentino, Fila Brasileiro, Caucasian Ovtcharka, Sarplaninac, South Russian Ovtcharka, Tornjak, Tosa (banned in 1991), American Bulldog, Boerboel, Kangal, Pit bull terrier (banned in 1991)

dog that are banned in dermark and there 10 other that may end up on the list also

Polski owczarek podhalanski, Cao fila de sao miguel, Dogue de bordeaux, Bullmastiff, Mastiff, Mastino napoletano, Cane corsa italiano, Staffordshire ,bullterrier, Dogo canario, Anatolian sheep dog, Iberisk dogge

these more likey be added in the future

i no there are heaps of american bulldogs here, that would be sad if they banned another 10 dogs,people should have a choice.

the douge de bordeaux are beautiful dogs and very expensive, they had a article here saying that bullmastive and a few above are dangerous dogs.

in holland they remove all the breed of their ban list. i hope the uk goverment does the same

really,wonder why? hopefully they do the same here

it's becasue their goverment as common sense banning thing doesn't work

very true,i guess the more you ban things the more people want it haha

these day people can get whatever their want. if you can get drugs/guns into a country you will be able to bring dogs in

The American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) and the American Staffordshire Terrier (AmStaff) are pretty much the exact same dog. The AKC did not want to recognize APBTs so some of the Pit Bull owners changed their name to the AmStaff which was recognized by the AKC. Other Pit Bull owners registered their dog as APBTs with the UKC or ADBA. The AmStaff and the APBT are still so similar that to this day there are dogs dual registered as AmStaffs in the AKC and APBTs in the UKC.

Banning "pit bulls" but not AmStaffs is just ridiculous politics and proves that BSL is wrong. AmStaffs are Pit Bulls. If you lost an AmStaff's papers and he ended up in a pound, chances are he'd be identified as a Pit Bull. There are very few differences in the breed standard for the AmStaff and the APBT, it is pretty darn close to identical!

was about to say that,but they seem to be more strict on dogs then drugs haha

all goverment dont do a good enough job stop anything! the money you would have to stop everything getting over the boarder would cost silly amount i dont think any goverement in the world could afford.

CatStina wrote:The American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) and the American Staffordshire Terrier (AmStaff) are pretty much the exact same dog. The AKC did not want to recognize APBTs so some of the Pit Bull owners changed their name to the AmStaff which was recognized by the AKC. Other Pit Bull owners registered their dog as APBTs with the UKC or ADBA. The AmStaff and the APBT are still so similar that to this day there are dogs dual registered as AmStaffs in the AKC and APBTs in the UKC.

Banning "pit bulls" but not AmStaffs is just ridiculous politics and proves that BSL is wrong. AmStaffs are Pit Bulls. If you lost an AmStaff's papers and he ended up in a pound, chances are he'd be identified as a Pit Bull. There are very few differences in the breed standard for the AmStaff and the APBT, it is pretty darn close to identical!

i understand what your sayin,its just conffusing when here in australia pittys are banned and not my dog,when people say there the same dog but different names. Are pitts allowed in america? thought they were,but u can clarify it for me

in some states pitbull are banned

Steve wrote:all goverment dont do a good enough job stop anything! the money you would have to stop everything getting over the boarder would cost silly amount i dont think any goverement in the world could afford.

thats write,as you said drugs,guns people smugglers (big problem we have here) excotic animals,the list goes on. Well i think there are more important things to stop then dogs.

i think they should ban chiwawa's (only joking if anyone has one ) haha

yea i agree. there should be one dog law and it should say if you make your dog into killing machine you will get 10 plus years you watch dog attack fall, it wiln't stop every attack because accidents does happen

yep thats right,the one big problem here is the law SUCKS
animal abuse (slap on the wrist)
dog fighting (slap on the wrist) its like the judge has no time but rather be dealing with more "important" issues.

moni wrote:i understand what your sayin,its just conffusing when here in australia pittys are banned and not my dog,when people say there the same dog but different names. Are pitts allowed in america? thought they were,but u can clarify it for me

The country as a whole has no breed bans, but there are some cities and counties that do. If you're curious, Here is a site with a list of all the breed bans in the US (and the World). In the US every city or county that has a "pit bull" (lowercase because it's meaningless the way they use it) ban defines it as APBTs, AmStaffs, and Staffy Bulls! Some of the breed bans include any dog that has a block head and short hair, some include any dog over 100 pounds (a couple of areas in the midwest have that ban)!! It's really ridiculous. There is no logic when it comes to these breed bans, which is why they don't work and should just be abolished! 11 States have already banned BSL, I hope others will follow suit!!



P.S. I hope I don't sound harsh in my posts. I'm sorry if I do, I'm a bit of a Pit Bull advocate, so I often get rilled up when talking about breed bans!!

CatStina wrote:

moni wrote:i understand what your sayin,its just conffusing when here in australia pittys are banned and not my dog,when people say there the same dog but different names. Are pitts allowed in america? thought they were,but u can clarify it for me

The country as a whole has no breed bans, but there are some cities and counties that do. If you're curious, Here is a site with a list of all the breed bans in the US (and the World). In the US every city or county that has a "pit bull" (lowercase because it's meaningless the way they use it) ban defines it as APBTs, AmStaffs, and Staffy Bulls! Some of the breed bans include any dog that has a block head and short hair, some include any dog over 100 pounds (a couple of areas in the midwest have that ban)!! It's really ridiculous. There is no logic when it comes to these breed bans, which is why they don't work and should just be abolished! 11 States have already banned BSL, I hope others will follow suit!!

thanks for the insight,i had no idea that different countries have different bans,besides APBT that nearly every countrie bans alraedy.
Dont worry you dont sound harsh haha,i understand where you are coming from,i agree with you.



P.S. I hope I don't sound harsh in my posts. I'm sorry if I do, I'm a bit of a Pit Bull advocate, so I often get rilled up when talking about breed bans!!

It is a shame these gorgeous dogs banned and that gorgeous dogs that are likely to be banned I love all canines and if i could i would own one of every breed lol
The law are bond to notice soon enough that it is not the dog but the owner but it doesn't help when breed lovers take the law into their own hands, I'v seen many illegal breeds advertised for sale don't they realise they are summoning that dog to death the moment they were born they signed their death certificate. I know someone who is currently expecting pups the mother is a dogo argentino, she's gorgeous but you can tell by her movement why she could be dangerous she stalks anything that moves she has a very high prey drive, he has mated her with a boxer...There are many doing this kind of mixing but they don't realise that if they keep on crossing them with dogs like lab or boxer its then going to the labs or boxer who are going to get banned because they can not trust it will not be mixed with an illegal breed to hide the true identity of the pups,The goverment will not folk out for define tests to see what breeds made it either. So bad breeding and mixing like this has to be stopped.

MissRogue wrote:
It is a shame these gorgeous dogs banned and that gorgeous dogs that are likely to be banned I love all canines and if i could i would own one of every breed lol
The law are bond to notice soon enough that it is not the dog but the owner but it doesn't help when breed lovers take the law into their own hands, I'v seen many illegal breeds advertised for sale don't they realise they are summoning that dog to death the moment they were born they signed their death certificate. I know someone who is currently expecting pups the mother is a dogo argentino, she's gorgeous but you can tell by her movement why she could be dangerous she stalks anything that moves she has a very high prey drive, he has mated her with a boxer...There are many doing this kind of mixing but they don't realise that if they keep on crossing them with dogs like lab or boxer its then going to the labs or boxer who are going to get banned because they can not trust it will not be mixed with an illegal breed to hide the true identity of the pups,The goverment will not folk out for define tests to see what breeds made it either. So bad breeding and mixing like this has to be stopped.

Your very spot on,im a true beliver that it is how the owner brings up the dog,espeically where there are circumstances when a dog attacts,its more then likely the owner has brought it up like that. But you do have a very good point with the mixing breeds,didnt think about it like that.I mean if a owner is goin to abuse a dog or use it in a dog fight,it just shows what kind of person they are,they shouldnt be allowed to have children of there own. And people like this is why dogs are banned.

read through all my last comments,just wanted to say thanks to everyone who helped me with my question

you dont have to thank us that what foru are for

Steve wrote: you dont have to thank us that what foru are for

Thanks