Whats your views on this dogs condition????

I thinks its stunning if it was for show but i cant see how it could b kept up all the time without killing the dog.

absolutely gorgeous

Actually he/she isn't overly conditioned so this could easily be kept up with diet and exercise, but they tend to allow abit more weight when not showing the dog. Me and the boys are slowly working on conditioning to a point and not to this degree.

FYI to get a dog to a condition like this they are fed a LOT of food, it is not a case of little food and lots of exercise, they eat a lot more then a typical pet dog

Oh i tought it would b a special diet for a short period to get that look like a body builder would and relax then between shows. Thats going to b my aim wen lola is off the age.

no hun

Basically they are fed a good diet but a LOT of it, and then strict exercise routine, which normally involves lots of walking and running about, but also things like spring pole, swimming, weight pulling etc etc

Also it's something that needs reading into, and waiting until the dog is old enough as to not harm them physically, normally 3 years + is recommended

Personally I like them a bit cuddlier  

Learn something new everyday.

It's vile.

Is that really supposed to be a stafford?

jo garnett wrote:Personally I like them a bit cuddlier  

I don't haha, i love really leeeeean dogs don't like extra fat on dogs!

Caryll wrote:It's vile.

Is that really supposed to be a stafford?

I didn't think it was a stafford, but don't know what breed it's meant to be!

The owner has the pictures on a staffy facebook page so i didnt think it was anything different.

It's unnatural, whatever breed it is.

It's like Arnold Schwarteneggar (sp?) at the height of his Mr Universe days. It's not healthy, neither is it 'typical' of a fit & healthy dog.

Hargar wrote:The owner has the pictures on a staffy facebook page so i didnt think it was anything different.

Well if it's a staffy it's badly bred, looks like a cross to me

Badly bred, yes. Over-conditioned, definitely.

Bit too muscly for me!  

I think it looks horrible to be honest  

Not my cup of tea at all.

If the dog was a greyhound in top racing condition, I would say it was OK. But not for a Staff - or whatever.

I think they call this "ripped" ?

I'm on the siude of cuddly dogs and saw the same pics on an FB page earlier , not my cup of tea at all I'm afraid

Me no likey, prefer my cuddly Vin  

Thought the picture was photo shopped?? defo like a bit more meat on a Staffie. I think he/she looks scary, but then im used to my cuddly boy

I do think it looks stunning in the photos, but not for day to day, and wouldn't keep Bis like this personally.

Also with the winter upon us surely they need a certain amount of body weight to keep warm! Also there must be a lot of wear and tear which could result in mobility problems later on in life! It's like people who do a lot of sport, they pay for it later in life! Ask my OH  

debs0109 wrote: It's like people who do a lot of sport, they pay for it later in life! Ask my OH  

Good point. 

Caryll wrote:

debs0109 wrote: It's like people who do a lot of sport, they pay for it later in life! Ask my OH  

Good point. 

Yes same here my OH used to do body building and my god how he suffers now!  

debs0109 wrote:Also with the winter upon us surely they need a certain amount of body weight to keep warm! Also there must be a lot of wear and tear which could result in mobility problems later on in life! It's like people who do a lot of sport, they pay for it later in life! Ask my OH  

Having played competitive rugby for nearly half my life, i wouldn't have missed it for the world, regardless of what it does in the future.

That was your choice Ella, the dog in the pic didn't have a choice. I couldn't do something to Mia knowing she would probably suffer for it later on in life.  

debs0109 wrote:That was your choice Ella, the dog in the pic didn't have a choice. I couldn't do something to Mia knowing she would probably suffer for it later on in life.  

yes but i take the boys weight pulling and they do spring pole BUT they enjoy it, so how do you know that dog didn't love what ever routine his/her owner does. Doesn't wash with me i'm afraid.

Have you not seen some competitive agility or similar dogs, they are very very fit dogs, and some to this ^^^ sort of condition and yet no one moans about their health. It's still a hell of a lot of exercise those dogs do.

Well we all have our opinions on this. At the end of the day it is down to personal choice .

oh definitely personal choice, be boring if we all liked the same thing

Definitely prefer a more cuddly dog. Not my cup of tea at all!

I wish more people would spend time taking the effort to get their dogs in condition - you sadly see dogs that are overweight all the time and that is my biggest peeve!

I prefer to see dogs like this than over weight.

I would prefer to see a healthy, fit dog - neither fat nor ripped.

Ripped is just as bad as fat! It's a strain on the heart, muscles & tendons, just as it is on body buildermen.

I'm afraid with a lot of owners of ripped dogs, it's an extension of their (ahem) egos.

i wouldn't like to look anything like an body builder and i wouldn't like to see my dogs like that

Precisely, Steve.

And if you look at the owners of those dogs, they're often beer-gutted loutish types!

According to my personal version of the dog management manual, the function of the owner is to:
a) give the dog a good life in the here and now
b) give the dog every chance of a happy and healthy life in the future.

Considering all that dogs give back to us, I dont think there should be any compromise on the above. We dont actually know whether the pictured dog's condition is chemically-induced or ripped or whatever. However, it does look damn weird and possibly indicative of a dog not having a good life (either now or later).

yeahbut wrote:However, it does look damn weird and possibly indicative of a dog not having a good life (either now or later).

Not sure this is right as my dog loves nothing better than to chase after balls/flirt poles or anything for that matter. I have to restrict his exercise or he would just continue till he dropped. You can see all my dogs ribs and he too is very muscley but not to the extent of this dog in the pics, which I think looks slightly worse because she`s straining on the leash. I much prefer to see a lean dog, in general I see far more tubby staffy`s than lean one`s . They are after all supposed to look lean and athletic.

Paul

paul l wrote:I much prefer to see a lean dog, in general I see far more tubby staffy`s than lean one`s . They are after all supposed to look lean and athletic.

Paul

Totally agree!

Wingo was in not far off this condition recently - she went from thin to very lean.

I've since fattened her up just a touch but both her and my other dog, Weemsy, are in quite lean condition.

Lean is great, but the dog in the photo has had every ounce of fat stripped from its body and is built like mr Universe. That's just not natural or healthy. Where in the wild do you see any animal look like that?

Caryll wrote:Where in the wild do you see any animal look like that?

Here you go





No your right but also where in the wild do you find such vast variations of the same animal . Thus comparing our pooches to wild animals is not really a good analogy.

Paul

  Amazing!

I totally agree though that is not natural! There isn't an ounce of fat on Moo, she is lean and well built, has a lovely waistline, no need to go to extremes though, it is not good in the long run......

paul l wrote:

Caryll wrote:Where in the wild do you see any animal look like that?

Here you go

  

paul l wrote:No your right but also where in the wild do you find such vast variations of the same animal . Thus comparing our pooches to wild animals is not really a good analogy.
Paul

It isn't the same. Yes, there are many, many breeds and they're all very different, but they're still dogs. Wild dogs, feral dogs, pet dogs. The only ones that look like that have been made that way by human intervention - it doesn't happen in the wild, and wild predator animals are (by and large) supremely fit!

Dingo


Working Husky


Neither are 'ripped', just lean and fit.

Not for me I'm afraid x

Caryll wrote:It isn't the same. Yes, there are many, many breeds and they're all very different, but they're still dogs. Wild dogs, feral dogs, pet dogs. The only ones that look like that have been made that way by human intervention - it doesn't happen in the wild, and wild predator animals are (by and large) supremely fit!

Yes I know that Caryll I was just being facetious. My point though was dogs are how they are because of human intervention maybe this one has in your view too much intervention.The opposite end of the scale would be the british bulldog which would be generally nowhere near as "healthy" as this dog. As I said I prefer leaner looking dogs though this dog does look extreme but I still think it looks better and healthier than a lot of the Staffy`s I see waddling along.Our dog is lean but not like this dog . Ive seen a few working dogs terriers and lurchers looking this lean and always think they look super fit. We all have our views and its rare we could all agree the same view point.  

Paul

paul l wrote:

Caryll wrote:It isn't the same. Yes, there are many, many breeds and they're all very different, but they're still dogs. Wild dogs, feral dogs, pet dogs. The only ones that look like that have been made that way by human intervention - it doesn't happen in the wild, and wild predator animals are (by and large) supremely fit!

Yes I know that Caryll I was just being facetious. My point though was dogs are how they are because of human intervention maybe this one has in your view too much intervention.The opposite end of the scale would be the british bulldog which would be generally nowhere near as "healthy" as this dog. As I said I prefer leaner looking dogs though this dog does look extreme but I still think it looks better and healthier than a lot of the Staffy`s I see waddling along.Our dog is lean but not like this dog . Ive seen a few working dogs terriers and lurchers looking this lean and always think they look super fit. We all have our views and its rare we could all agree the same view point.  

Paul

You're missing the point, Paul. There's no point talking about the Bulldog - it has nothing to do with this case.

Humans have created specific breeds, but they're all still dogs. Any dog 'conditioned' to that extent is actually far more prone to health problems in the long run than a slightly overweight dog (note slightly overweight, not obese). People who condition a dog to this extent do so not for the good of their dog's health, but to extend their own inadequate egos.

I see so many overweight, barrel like staffs so I am quite conscious  of hugos weight. I'm borderline of extremity of both too much and too little muscle tone

LKH wrote:I see so many overweight, barrel like staffs so I am quite conscious  of hugos weight. I'm borderline of extremity of both too much and too little muscle tone

Hugo looks just right! 

Caryll wrote:You're missing the point, Paul.

Hi Caryll no I get the point and agree this dog is maybe too lean as I originally said. I think it looks worse as its straining on the lead but even if it was`nt so conditioned I think it would still be a slim built dog .

Paul

It isn't the leanness that bothers me - it's the over conditioning, like a body builder. Totally unnatural & unhealthy in the long run.

Lynda wrote:If the dog was a greyhound in top racing condition, I would say it was OK.  But not for a Staff - or whatever.

I think they call this "ripped" ?

In bodybuilding terms, he is definitely ripped - also known as shredded and sliced.

Just as in bodybuilding, staying in this condition is not healthy long term.