Raw to dry food

Ok so im switching back onto kibble (jwb) from raw and was wondering whats the best way to do this.

Currently im giving broxi 3 meals a day,whats the best way to handle this

Thanks guys

Can i ask why your swapping back?

Yes, is there a particular problem with raw?

Also can I ask why 3 meals a day? 3 meals a day of raw is far too much

I have just been filling the bowl with beef mince 3 times a day or things like whyte fish.

It's things like You need to feed approx 2-3% of their expected adult body weight (if still growing) per day i dont under stand how i am ament to work that out,how can i know how big he will get.

Also he cant eat bones he only scrapes it with his teeth so hes going to get no calcium from that.

Il hold my hands up,im not the smartest person if knowing what i need to do with raw food is to hard for me,where as dry food its all made and tells you how much i need.

For me to understand how raw food is giving i need it put into simple terms and looking at ella's post on raw food it is such a great post for everyone but i just dont get it.

Remember the roughly 80:10:10 ratio – which is approx 70-80% muscle meat (incl. heart, tripe and oily fish), 10-20% bone (within some of that meat), 10% offal (this should be ½ liver and half other offal such as kidney, spleen etc). However, this is a very rough guideline and should be tweaked to suit the dog - for instance many feed more like 15-20% bone and as little as 5% offal.

Has all that food to go into 1 meal.

If someone does fancy helping me here which i dont blame you if you dont hehe,could someone even give me advice on what i should order for my first order on DAF food online.

Feeding does also come down to owner preference, so if you decide it isn't right for you, that's not a crime. I'm sure somebody would be happy to break it down for you if that's what you'd like though.

Broxi wrote:I have just been filling the bowl with beef mince 3 times a day or things like whyte fish.

It's things like You need to feed approx 2-3% of their expected adult body weight (if still growing) per day i dont under stand how i am ament to work that out,how can i know how big he will get.

Also he cant eat bones he only scrapes it with his teeth so hes going to get no calcium from that.

Il hold my hands up,im not the smartest person if knowing what i need to do with raw food is to hard for me,where as dry food its all made and tells you how much i need.

For me to understand how raw food is giving i need it put into simple terms and looking at ella's post on raw food it is such a great post for everyone but i just dont get it.

Remember the roughly 80:10:10 ratio – which is approx 70-80% muscle meat (incl. heart, tripe and oily fish), 10-20% bone (within some of that meat), 10% offal (this should be ½ liver and half other offal such as kidney, spleen etc). However, this is a very rough guideline and should be tweaked to suit the dog - for instance many feed more like 15-20% bone and as little as 5% offal.

Has all that food to go into 1 meal.

If someone does fancy helping me here which i dont blame you if you dont hehe,could someone even give me advice on what i should order for my first order on DAF food online.

You like most newbies to raw are making it way to hard for yourself.

He's a staffy all you need to do is work out the 2-3% of an average adult staffy and go from there

For example my 23kg staff eats roughly 500g a day, this is never exact and changes each day.

The ratios 80:10:10 does NOT need to be fed each day, or even each week! I let the ratios work themselves out over about 3 months.

Like i said it's not hard, but people make it hard for themselves and THAT is why they give up

Also if you fully read my raw diet thread, you will see it says you don't need to stick to the ratios every meal or day

Yeah ella hehe,your being very helpfull to me along with others you tho are very helpfull for me,the thing is i really do want to stick with raw food because i know hes going to eat it.

Quick question also,i have a fridge freezer in the house,i was thinking of buying roughly 30quids worth :

Whole Beef Chunks 4kg
Diced Boiled Tripe (Frozen Loose) 3 x1 kg
Kidney chunks 4kg
Liver chunks 4kg
Big Bag of Bones - (15kg)

Is that a normal order

And enough to fit in freezer, also im ashuming you dont need to out it all in freezer anyway it can be kept in the fridge to?

Broxi wrote:Yeah ella hehe,your being very helpfull to me along with others :)you tho are very helpfull for me,the thing is i really do want to stick with raw food because i know hes going to eat it.

Quick question also,i have a fridge freezer in the house,i was thinking of buying roughly 30quids worth :

Whole Beef Chunks 4kg
Diced Boiled Tripe (Frozen Loose) 3 x1 kg
Kidney chunks 4kg
Liver chunks 4kg
Big Bag of Bones - (15kg)

Is that a normal order

And enough to fit in freezer, also im ashuming you dont need to out it all in freezer anyway it can be kept in the fridge to?

I do try haha
Can i ask what food has he had up to yet? and has he had any upset bellies over anything?

I ask because when you start a raw diet, you start with one meat at a time, normally chicken first.

SO for example:

Week 1 would be chicken ONLY a mix of bone in and boneless. Once you get solid stools usually after 1-2 weeks you add in another meat, and then repeat.

That is quite a normal order, but i would go for raw tripe then boiled. They sell minced or chunked tripe both are raw. Also the big bag of bones is HUGE, really things should be kept in the freezer until you feed it, but keeping it in the fridge for a couple of days IS fine.

He has been eatting 500grams of beef mince mainly every day spilt up into 3 meals,and the odd time hes been getting eggs,plus i have been buying him like a ham joint/bone. his stools have been fine and he does love it but i do know that what im doing isnt what i need to be doing.

So you bring them out of the freezer then defrost the meat or do you bring it out the day before

Right so we know he's fine with beef.

You really need to now try introducing different meats, so why not add another meat on with you order, chicken wings or carcasses are a good start.

Yes i have 2 chest freezers just for the boys, and i plonk their food in their bowls on top of the freezer the night before.
I have one freezer as a bone freezer as this saves space

Yeah i will , i have also bought him a whole chicken and turkey once which he ate raw and was fine with that but that was only for a day or 2 at a time.

So the chicken wings and carcasses also act as calcium,does there need to be a meat calcium ratio aswell

No not meat:calcium BUT calcium:phosphoruss but this is achieved by giving a variety of meats and the bones in them.

Thanks ella,i have learnt alot tonight

No worries if you get stuck or confused don't worry about asking loads of questions

Hehe i always feel funny about asking loads of questions,there isnt to many raw feeders who post here so im guessing you one of the ones that needs to explain alot to people.

Thanks for your help,me and broxi is very thankfull

Boss took really well to raw but I was unable to buy it in bulk which is * because I was buying from the supermarket and it was costing a fair bit which I cant afford right now (sad face) LOL. He is on wainwrights and being mixed with the matching trays and so far he is eating it so I cant complain just getting used to him going to the toilet few times more which is annoying but I suppose when hes gotta go hes gotta go lol. Best of luck Broxi mate:)

I just say that 3 meals a day is too much cause meat takes a lot longer to digest than kibble. So he could be too full and this can lead to fussy eating and then people panic and try to force feed their dogs and end up with no fingers and a very stressed out dog.

BIG SBT wrote:Boss took really well to raw but I was unable to buy it in bulk which is * because I was buying from the supermarket and it was costing a fair bit which I cant afford right now (sad face) :(LOL. He is on wainwrights and being mixed with the matching trays and so far he is eating it so I cant complain just getting used to him going to the toilet few times more which is annoying but I suppose when hes gotta go hes gotta go lol. Best of luck Broxi mate:)

Not sure on your reasons for not being able to buy in bulk perhaps where you live or not enough freezer room but for me im trying to also work out if i can hold it all in freezer,i only have a fridge freezer and a small fridge which is empty but overall its not alot of room,so trying to see aswell if someone can hold some food for me.

Raw imo is the best thing but its not always easy,im buying from supermarket these past few weeks and its costing me more,im heading to asda in 10mins to buy things like liver etc,but its not going to be the same as buying it in bulk. i just want the best for my puppy and if i cant feed him raw,il go back to kibble and get him something like burns or some high quality grade dry food to make it that bit better,or maybe even look into doing half and half depending if others thinks thats a good idea/ok for dogs to do

n.ireland has no bulk raw suppliers. raw is frowned upon here a lot as people still believe that it makes dog aggressive because "once they taste blood they will go after it"

Yeah im from belfast myself,only moved to scotland 5months ago,its silly that people think like that,where do you get your dry food

Although I'm not considering changing to raw ATM like Broxi I also find it a bit confusing.
A couple of questions which might help clarify this subject for us.

1/ Do any of the suppliers stock an appropriate mix of ingredients which could be portioned and fed daily like a complete diet only raw??

2/ I've come across BARF which I know means Biologically Appropriate Raw Food. Is this the same thing as the raw diet you guys feed??
If not what's the difference and which is considered better?

ella feeds more raw that other would not like whole rabbits and birds etc

BARF is the meat and tripe etc but wont have whole dead animals

Hayley wrote:ella feeds more raw that other would not like whole rabbits and birds etc

BARF is the meat and tripe etc but wont have whole dead animals

So would BARF be considered a complete food if supplemented with bones??

reuben wrote:

Hayley wrote:ella feeds more raw that other would not like whole rabbits and birds etc

BARF is the meat and tripe etc but wont have whole dead animals

So would BARF be considered a complete food if supplemented with bones??

BARF normally is a diet using meat, bone, offal, fruit, veg etc

I feed what is usually called prey model raw. Which involves whole animals rather then mince and no fruit/veg

They are just names at the end of the day.

There are minces that are supposed to be complete i.e have the correct ratio of meat:bone:offal but they are alot more expensive to use full time, plus they tend to have other ingredients like grain/seed/veg all of which are no use to a dog.