few pics of lacey

Heres a few pics of lacey. And some of lennox her best freind and breeding partner. We should have a litter in a couple of months as we successfully bread them at the weekend.

Before i get shot for breeding my dog its something we've considered for a while and decided to go ahead. 5 of the pups are going to family members free of charge the rest will be going to suitable family homes after ive spoke to the people intrested and im confident the dogs are going to be looked after.. failing that we have a big garden so we may have a pack of gorgeous dogs soon





What section do i post in regards breedings??
Thanks for looking
mark

Nice pics, If you have any questions go to the general chat section on the main forum.

There is another topic about breeding that just started today you can have a look through

https://staffy-bull-terrier.niceboard.com/t35887-breeding#547178

Lovely pics love the second one!

Thanks il check it out now

Great piks

I can't agree with your decision to breed, but the dogs are beautiful!

You can post questions in either the breeders chat or the general chat section:

https://staffy-bull-terrier.niceboard.com/f1-staffordshire-bull-terrier-chat
https://staffy-bull-terrier.niceboard.com/f115-staffordshire-bull-terrier-breeders-chat

If you search the topic you might find the information you are looking for as well! Good luck!

Thats mia my neice. Although she mithers and pulls her tail and ears, not to mention poking things in her face lacey adores her and is allways gentle calm and well manored when the baby visits

great pics

Lovely pics they are gorgeous But please reconsider breeding There really is no reason to breed them

Annie and Maxi wrote:I can't agree with your decision to breed, but the dogs are beautiful!

You can post questions in either the breeders chat or the general chat section:

https://staffy-bull-terrier.niceboard.com/f1-staffordshire-bull-terrier-chat
https://staffy-bull-terrier.niceboard.com/f115-staffordshire-bull-terrier-breeders-chat

If you search the topic you might find the information you are looking for as well! Good luck!

Cheers for that. And i understand your decision to disagree but alot of thaught went into it before we made the decision. Both dogs have had health checks prior to breeding and 5 of the pups are going to family members who i no and trust to look after them. Thats asuming she has more than 5. We will be keeping one ourselves hopefully a blue if the colours mix and the rest will be going to family homes.. i will not be giving any to yobs druggies or people who i dont like the look of..

They're both beautiful.

They are both beautiful I'm afraid I agree and think you should reconsider breeding.

My main decision to breed to is i want my girl to experience the mothering nature.. i can asure you the pups will be fine and il be keeping a diary of laceys pregnancy and birth, then the pups growing on here.

A female dog doesn't need to experience the mothering nature though, just in the same way a male dog doesn't need to mate to get it out of his system. Both of these things are old wive's tales sadly.

Your dogs are gorgeous, there is no doubt in that though.

They only mated on saturday.. so we dont even no if shes pregnant yet. They * lock together though.. if i was to change my mind how long do i have to terminate the pregnancy?? She is due at the vets this weekend for a check up

You can get a mismate jab if needed. But again, it's worth getting to the vet for a proper talk about it.

widnesbull wrote:My main decision to breed to is i want my girl to experience the mothering nature.. i can asure you the pups will be fine and il be keeping a diary of laceys pregnancy and birth, then the pups growing on here.

That is not the right reason to breed, even if all the pups will be fine.
I can't help but to think that if these 5 family friends that are gonna get a pup each could all go and rescue a pup at a shelter and instead save the lives of 5 puppies/dogs that otherwise would be put down.

Annie and Maxi wrote:

widnesbull wrote:My main decision to breed to is i want my girl to experience the mothering nature.. i can asure you the pups will be fine and il be keeping a diary of laceys pregnancy and birth, then the pups growing on here.

That is not the right reason to breed, even if all the pups will be fine.
I can't help but to think that if these 5 family friends that are gonna get a pup each could all go and rescue a pup at a shelter and instead save the lives of 5 puppies/dogs that otherwise would be put down.

i am taking note of peoples veiws on this and it may seem a silly thing to do and could well end up getting the prgnancy terminated.

But can i ask what is the right reason to breed if this is that?

The only reason to breed should be to "better" the Staffordshire bull Terrier... That is with good examples of the breed, breed and sold responsibly by reputable registered breeders..

widnesbull wrote:But can i ask what is the right reason to breed if this is that?

The only reason to breed is if you have 2 fully tested dogs that are compatible and are within the KC Standard. That way you can keep bettering the breed. However, even if you do have two great examples of Staffords it still isn't enough to want to breed IMO.

We'd all love pups running around but there are professional breeders out there that dedicate their lives to it. It's best left to them tbh. I will never have enough experience to do it myself and I've had dogs my whole life.

It's an unfortunate scenario, that said it isn't definate that she is pregnant, with any luck it'll be fine

widnesbull wrote:They only mated on saturday.. so we dont even no if shes pregnant yet. They * lock together though.. if i was to change my mind how long do i have to terminate the pregnancy?? She is due at the vets this weekend for a check up

There is a morning after pill for dogs should you change your mind and not want her to go through with the pregnancy. I think there are two separate injections that can be taken up to 45 days after the mating. However obviously talk to your vet as soon as possible.

I am not been negative here just trying to get an understanding of the situation. Yes fair enough kc registered dogs are better for breeding.. but bettering the breed? They are all dogs with the same mentality and serve a purpose ie new family member, pet gaurd dog.. mabey without the paperwork these dogs cannot be showen ect but not so many people buy/rescue dogs so they can parade them.down a catwalk next to a poodle with dreadlocks. The people in my family who want pups accept lacey as part of the family and is the reason they dont want fully grown rescue dogs..the pups will have chance to grow up with lacey as a close nit family.. and my family no she has a great temp and good posture so would like her offspring. Me included.

great pics
yes i agree with the others breeding is best left for proper breeders and also agree with what has been said about old wifes tales about mothering nature and getting a stud out of the dog so to experance it
have you thought what would happen if you end up with a litter of 10 five may have homes what about the rest????
have you anough money set to one side for complications in pregnacy ie c section ????
do you know how to deal with still births and mutated pups (you would be suprised how commen)
are you set up for the steepless nights the constent feeding and cleaning up .
do you know what needs to be done if the mother dont take to the pups or there to many for her to feed ?????
the list goes on and on

widnesbull wrote:I am not been negative here just trying to get an understanding of the situation. Yes fair enough kc registered dogs are better for breeding.. but bettering the breed? They are all dogs with the same mentality and serve a purpose ie new family member, pet gaurd dog.. mabey without the paperwork these dogs cannot be showen ect but not so many people buy/rescue dogs so they can parade them.down a catwalk next to a poodle with dreadlocks. The people in my family who want pups accept lacey as part of the family and is the reason they dont want fully grown rescue dogs..the pups will have chance to grow up with lacey as a close nit family.. and my family no she has a great temp and good posture so would like her offspring. Me included.

Def nobody is saying here non KC reg dogs aren't good dogs. Quite the contrary in my case. I have only ever had one KC reg dog in my whole life.

Bettering the breed, is meaning working towards the breed standard of size/shape as well as temperment. It doesn't literally mean "KC dogs are better".

The benefit from breeding from a KC reg dog is that the history of the animals relatives can be checked health wise etc. That said being KC reg doesn't mean a defintite healthy dog either. It's just the responsible way of breeding

widnesbull wrote:I am not been negative here just trying to get an understanding of the situation. Yes fair enough kc registered dogs are better for breeding.. but bettering the breed? They are all dogs with the same mentality and serve a purpose ie new family member, pet gaurd dog.. mabey without the paperwork these dogs cannot be showen ect but not so many people buy/rescue dogs so they can parade them.down a catwalk next to a poodle with dreadlocks. The people in my family who want pups accept lacey as part of the family and is the reason they dont want fully grown rescue dogs..the pups will have chance to grow up with lacey as a close nit family.. and my family no she has a great temp and good posture so would like her offspring. Me included.

beleive me the litter mates when grown up wont live in harmony they clash and couse whole loads of problems
dogs are funny like that they seem to bond better with unrelated dogs more than siblings and parents

widnesbull wrote: Both dogs have had health checks prior to breeding

Which health checks? Have you had DNA tests for L2 HGA? Or HC? What about the tests for all the other hereditary problems within the Stafford breed at the moment? If not, then you have been irresponsible.

widnesbull wrote:My main decision to breed to is i want my girl to experience the mothering nature.. i can asure you the pups will be fine and il be keeping a diary of laceys pregnancy and birth, then the pups growing on here.

That is one of the worst reasons to breed.

I know the answers you've had here seem harsh and negative, but we have the interests of the forthcoming pups to heart. What will you do if one or more of them have L2HGA because both your bitch and the dog she was mated to are carriers of it? What will you do if one or more of the pups has hereditary cataracts and they go blind at 12 months old?

Lovely pair of dogs you have - Please think carefully about what to do next, there is a lot to consider as others have pointed out. Unfortunately I have no experience in the matter but what I can say is make sure you take the oppotunity to speak to the vet about the possible options and weigh up the advice given on here. Good luck with your decision.

widnesbull wrote: not so many people buy/rescue dogs so they can parade them.down a catwalk next to a poodle with dreadlocks. The people in my family who want pups accept lacey as part of the family and is the reason they dont want fully grown rescue dogs..the pups will have chance to grow up with lacey as a close nit family.. and my family no she has a great temp and good posture so would like her offspring. Me included.

My girls a rescue dog, and she's been accepted by all of our family members just as much as she would've if she was 4,7, KC registered or a puppy when we first got her. I don't really agree with your reasons to breed as there is PLENTY of dogs in the kennels to be rehomed, you can get pups if you really look around too. Dogs at kennels that are given to homes are all house checked, temperament tested with cats and dogs ect so they give the dog the best chance at fitting with you as a family. They'll love you just as much as any puppies or KC dogs too. I personally feel there's too many of the breed for people to be breeding themselves, when there's so many loving dogs in the kennels. If it's a blue you want, they also have those in rescue centers too, although I don't agree with getting a dog for looks. You're dogs are gorgeous, but I do really agree with the others on the breeding as you can tell. I think you should give rescues a chance before you rush into any type of breeding. I personally feel that you can find dogs with "great posture" and "great temperaments" in kennels, plenty of the dogs we've had in come in with rosettes from competitions (1st places too!) and they do come in with KC papers. Unless you're really looking into showing them, then buy pups from a reputable breeder - don't breed your own.

They look great, that coat is gleaming on second pic

Nice pics Please do think carefully about the breeding though and take on board the information you've been given today.

No further advice to give other than please think long and hard about what you are entering into. There are no gains to be made from this and potentially a lot of tears .

widnesbull wrote:I am not been negative here just trying to get an understanding of the situation. Yes fair enough kc registered dogs are better for breeding.. but bettering the breed? They are all dogs with the same mentality and serve a purpose ie new family member, pet gaurd dog.. mabey without the paperwork these dogs cannot be showen ect but not so many people buy/rescue dogs so they can parade them.down a catwalk next to a poodle with dreadlocks. The people in my family who want pups accept lacey as part of the family and is the reason they dont want fully grown rescue dogs..the pups will have chance to grow up with lacey as a close nit family.. and my family no she has a great temp and good posture so would like her offspring. Me included.

I have a cross, so I'm not being snobbish or saying KC-registered dogs are better. BUT...they're the only dogs that should be bred from because then you can better the breed, weed out health problems and any temperament issues in that specific breed, and keep it within the standard. If all of us bred crosses, we'd end up with no actual breeds of dogs, just massively diverse crosses and no specifics on what the traits of the dogs are. Knowing what your dog is like, physically and in terms of temperament, is very important, which is what we mean by bettering the breed.

Just to let everyone no me and my girlfreind talked at length about the situation last night and decided (if she is pregnant) to get the pregnancy terminated.. posting on here i new i was going to get negative comments about the pups going to bad homes, and breeding a mongrel ect and these where not the turning point. But some of the comments about difficulties in the pregnancy have got me worried about laceys health and well-being. For those of you that are intrested i will be posting an update on this thread saturday after her visit to the vet
Thanks for your comments
Mark

Carltl wrote:They look great, that coat is gleaming on second pic

she gets alot of comments about her shiney coat in the street. I put it down to a healthy diet, her 12mile runs next to the bike and tuna pasta Wednesdays (the only day she joins us for tea)

widnesbull wrote:Just to let everyone no me and my girlfreind talked at length about the situation last night and decided (if she is pregnant) to get the pregnancy terminated.. posting on here i new i was going to get negative comments about the pups going to bad homes, and breeding a mongrel ect and these where not the turning point. But some of the comments about difficulties in the pregnancy have got me worried about laceys health and well-being. For those of you that are intrested i will be posting an update on this thread saturday after her visit to the vet
Thanks for your comments
Mark

Really looking forward to hearing your update and don't worry yourself it can be sorted

widnesbull wrote:

Carltl wrote:They look great, that coat is gleaming on second pic

she gets alot of comments about her shiney coat in the street. I put it down to a healthy diet, her 12mile runs next to the bike and tuna pasta Wednesdays (the only day she joins us for tea)

Would love to hear the update after you have been to the vet!

Her coat does look amazing, what are you feeding her?
I just started riding my bike with my girl as well, she loves it. We are not doing 12 miles yet though!

Wag complete working dog. We find it ideal for her active lifestyle. And doesnt cost a fortune she doesnt realy enjoy the dry food though so we mix it 50 50 with the tinned stuff.

Once you master the bike its great fun. She runs on a short lead next to the bike and she realy becomes part of the bike. Somtimes you forget she is ther and taking corners she has a 6th sence when the bike is moving. Ive had her on the bike since she was 4month old, obviously not 12 mile runs but as she got bigger and fitter the runs increased in length. Now we have a circuit on the canals and pass through 3 towns on the way. Runcorn, warrington, then back to widnes. The only problem is now her walks after work dont tire her out and she has mad half hours throwing her teddy round the house, oh and if we walk (not ride) she sulks because she wants to run everywhere