my list of questions

while i have had many of these answered on google ive never had a wide range of answers
1.is pink around the rim of the eyes a big show fault
2.is undershot a big fault ?
MY BIG QUESTION IS THIS i got my bitch at 19 months i think she was beat and abused by other dogs they had her confidence is great around people happy out but she always urs to barking dogs and while many say ohh its a good thing id like for her to just seem more confident if you get me not dog aggrisive but not curing at any bark of a passing dog either

show us a picture please.. im showing my staff next month

chrisoc wrote:while i have had many of these answered on google ive never had a wide range of answers
1.is pink around the rim of the eyes a big show fault
2.is undershot a big fault ?

1. It's a fault because it shows poor pigment. That's not to say she wouldn't win, but she's less likely to.
2. Undershot is a big fault. Again, slightly undershot might be ignored if everything else is absolutely spot on & near perfect, but otherwise she wouldn't be placed.

Is she registered with the Kennel Club?

chrisoc wrote:MY BIG QUESTION IS THIS i got my bitch at 19 months i think she was beat and abused by other dogs they had her confidence is great around people happy out but she always urs to barking dogs and while many say ohh its a good thing id like for her to just seem more confident if you get me not dog aggrisive but not curing at any bark of a passing dog either

What's her body language like when she growls? Is her tail up? What are her ears doing?

thats it she wont even growl she tucks her tail between her legs and runs staright longside me ? i heard its okay in a white bitch any truth and theres pic in the gallery Molly

well as caryll said before, is she kc registered?

her parents are registred but the person i got her off was going through a arugment/divorce with the wife having the dogs she sold me her and know hes saying he wants a extra 50 quid before i get her papers

hmmm. well it sounds maybe she isnt kc reg then

yaa more or less what im thinking im not really that bothered while it would be nice ,, why does it look like there could be a cross breeding in her somewhere ? i seen both parents like im jw all opinions taking im not one for crying when someone says there opinion

chrisoc wrote:yaa more or less what im thinking im not really that bothered while it would be nice ,, why does it look like there could be a cross breeding in her somewhere ? i seen both parents like im jw all opinions taking im not one for crying when someone says there opinion

no she looks staffy mate dont worry its just i only know dogshowing that allows kc registered dogs.

id say thats due to the ban in england on pitbulls imo , in ireland its rare unless the show is set up by a kc that they need to be its mainly people who just love bull breeds set shows up here

chrisoc wrote:id say thats due to the ban in england on pitbulls imo , in ireland its rare unless the show is set up by a kc that they need to be its mainly people who just love bull breeds set shows up here

sorry i dont understand. what is it you wish to know?

there was no question being asked in that post ,but i do have another one here is 37 pound 36.9 exact to big for a staffy bitch ?

chrisoc wrote:thats it she wont even growl she tucks her tail between her legs and runs staright longside me ? i heard its okay in a white bitch any truth and theres pic in the gallery Molly

This means she's not confident and her tail goes down because she's scares, nervous or unsure.
Her coming back to you means she knows she's safe around you, so you should notice when she's scared or nervous shell come to you.

You need to try build her confidence up more by meeting as many dogs as possible that are layed back and friendly, try get the other dog to be facing the other way and let your girl sniff him, her tail should go up and wage.

chrisoc wrote:there was no question being asked in that post ,but i do have another one here is 37 pound 36.9 exact to big for a staffy bitch ?

thats just under 17kg's which is over the breed standard amount for a staff bitch. Its not too heavy because shes most likely a bigger staff

Answering your other questions...
No she's not overweight.

I don't think she'll be able to be a show dog if you don't have papers (her being KC registered) not sure though as I haven't shown my dog for the reason I don't have papers, I wish I could do plus the fact my dog is dog aggressive makes it hard, he will not growl or bark but he wouldn't be very comfortable being around a bunch of dogs and would pull to go to them.

I hope we've answered all your questions

ill give that a shot so let her meet and greet all dogs or just walk staright past them and trying to keep her as less stressed as possible by more or less ignoring the passing dog is it ? ,,yaa i get what your saying alright while ill still try for the show ring when im at the events just for the laughs my main things im looking from her are in the events with stuff like a-frame, lure chaser and weightpull but itll take a lot of hard work for me to reach a happy point between them three i know
over 17 kgs i certainely weighed that out wrong so shes 15.6 kg i think

If your dog is stressed when meeting other dogs don't push her to much, this does not mean avoid all dogs.

When I walk my dog I normally can see and tell what the other dogs are like, if they're to playful aggressive or laid back, but it's always always best to ask the owner, at the start try only letting her sniff calm dogs, always keep her on the lead and ask for the other dog to be on the lead to, let her have the first sniff and try not to let them go head to head, get the other dog facing the other way while your dog goes to sniff. She should wage her tail and then if the other owner wants take them both for a walk on the lead and watch her tail, if it goes under get her to sniff the dog again the same way as before. This should build her confidence up, after she's not as stressed you can start doing this with dogs that are playful to as she'll not be as scared:)

i still need to improve my questions shes close to prefect with dogs who dont show any signs of aggression or keep trying to sniff her this also makes her freak and drop the tail would what your saying increase her confidence with dogs who show aggression over a period of time ? and thanks for taking the time to answer the fairly stupid questions :L

That would be hard to say from what I know, I'm not an expert but I'm sure someone will answer you but this is what I'd say and think...
Doing what I said (and it's what I'm doing with my boy) will increase their confidence around other dogs, my boy has now a play mate (my mums dog that she "rescued" from a bad home) she is friendly but she's to friendly, first time they meet we did what I told you to do and even when she plays to rough he doesn't get scared, he growls if she tries to nibble him and walks away...
I'd say try do what I said, not with dogs that are aggressive (growling doesn't always mean aggression by the way) since your dog seems to be friendly you can let her sniff a dog that is very playful and if you see her tail going up and waging, let them play if you feel comfortable. Dogs plays will teach them a lot, if the other dog does something your girl doesn't like she will most likely growl which is fine and no need to panic, if you see she's getting to stressed put her back on the lead and walk her away, she'll then start knowing how to play and deal with things she doesn't like when other dogs play with her.

This is something that takes time and effort meeting as many dogs as possible is important just always make sure she's ok with it and try not put her trough a bad experience with another dog.

This is my opinion and what I do with my boy who is dog aggressive and ha improved a lot, the only reason he's not ok with other dogs still is because most dog owners here are stuck up and have naughty dogs so I don't let him meet many dogs as he's had very bad experiences before and I don't want him to go through more with dogs, so I always make sure the dog I'm meeting is a good and calm dog and that my boy is not to stressed out.

chrisoc wrote:thats it she wont even growl she tucks her tail between her legs and runs staright longside me ? i heard its okay in a white bitch any truth and theres pic in the gallery Molly

The eye rims should be dark....
"Eyes: Dark preferred but may bear some relation to coat colour. Round, of medium size, and set to look straight ahead. Eye rims dark."

She sounds as though she has nervous aggression. She's probably not been socialised properly so will benefit from calm introductions to friendly, but not in-your-face dogs. Just take it slowly as trying to do too much too soon will make her worse.

chrisoc wrote:her parents are registred but the person i got her off was going through a arugment/divorce with the wife having the dogs she sold me her and know hes saying he wants a extra 50 quid before i get her papers

If she isn't registered it doesn't matter if she conforms to the breed standard as you can't show her anyway. If she is registered and you have a bill of sale for her, you can contact the Kennel Club and make a complaint about the breeder not giving you the transfer forms. They cannot charge you extra for them. If she isn't registered, then it's too late to do so anyway, so he's trying to rip you off!

Caryll wrote:If she isn't registered it doesn't matter if she conforms to the breed standard as you can't show her anyway. If she is registered and you have a bill of sale for her, you can contact the Kennel Club and make a complaint about the breeder not giving you the transfer forms. They cannot charge you extra for them. If she isn't registered, then it's too late to do so anyway, so he's trying to rip you off!

I think Caryll is right here Chris. It sounds like the breeder is trying to rip you off if he won't give you them. The papers are no value to them so they should just send them on. I'd do exactly as Caryll has advised!

Ref the dog shows - you can still show her in exemption shows without papers. They are great fun!

ya it would be the exemption shows i would be looking at

Great! No problems about papers then. Good luck and have fun!

ya it would be the exemption shows i would be looking at is there any thread on here where people post there staffys height weight + a pic ? or does it sound like a fairly stupid idea id personally think itd be interesting opinions ?

chrisoc wrote:ya it would be the exemption shows i would be looking at is there any thread on here where people post there staffys height weight + a pic ? or does it sound like a fairly stupid idea id personally think itd be interesting opinions ?

If you are interested in this sort of thing Caryll posted this a while back and it's fantastic to read

https://staffy-bull-terrier.niceboard.com/t29696-illustrated-breed-standard?highlight=illustrated

thanks alot very good guide