tesco's halal section (photo warning)

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The new superstore that's opened has a small halal section, which has been empty everytime i've been to get stuff but i tried again today and picked some bits up

Some things aren't the cheapest but i can't get them else where currently so once in a while i don't mind paying a bit extra soo...



lovely meaty bones


lamb tongues


which look like


big enough for 2 meals


the pricey item but hey


mutton feet which don't have any hoof on


I've also found another butchers to visit and got a bag of trotters for a £1 and 2 bags of chicken off cuts and offal which weighed about 2kg each

new Staffy owner wrote:Hayley - "It doesn't get strung up until it is dead with halal, the animal must have collapsed within 15 seconds or they intercept it and take further measures to make it die"

So the animal has its throat slit whilst standing and alive? and if it doesn't collapse within 15 seconds they " take further measures to make it die"
?

What are these further measures?

If I was this animal I would prefer to be stunned out of my senses before ANY of these measures take place.

But you are missing the point about that yet again, i have said several times that stunning only stuns them so that they stop moving, it is not so they don't feel pain, severe electrocution causes SEVERE pain, they are then strung up and by the time they get to the point of actually cutting their throats they are coming around from being stunned and a lot of them wriggle about and break hips and legs THEN get slit.

Im not arguing that halal is any more humane, no animal slaughter is wholly humane, but it is done with out the animal being shocked and then stung up only to come back awake and have to wait in line upside down to be slit. Its done then and there on the floor in a crush which the animal is most likely very used to (what with getting feet trimmed and vet checks etc) which to me is much less stressful.

You are thinking of it from a human point of view, and what you think looks or sounds less stressful but in reality the "humane" method is often the least humane as the people do it day in day out and are very lax about it half the time. You should watch a few of the videos of slaughter houses on youtube and you might not think that your method is the most humane way. halal or kosher is not allowed to be eatin if then animal is harmed before death, or dies in the wrong way. so economically it doesn't profit them to not kill it right the first go.

as i said, they stay with the animal until it is down and totally dead, whereas a normal slaughterhouse strings it up and slit then send sit on it merry way and don't check if it is alive or dead, its left to drain until it is dead and thats that. they won't bring it down and kill it again if it is still alive and kicking, they will just leave it to hang, concious or not. I have seen this with my own eyes, so you can't say it isnt true.

If you still think stunning and normal slaughter is the best, then fair enough.

and as warren pointed out, after 15 seconds if the animal is not DOWN it is killed by a knife to the heart. They also do not allow the animals neck to be held after the slit so that it does not feel the cut so much. If your two jugulars and windpipe and oesophagus was cut open trust me you would not feel it, you would be in too much shock, as are these animals. The strung up ones however DO feel the broke hips and legs, and DO feel the poorly carried out slits because there is no way a proper cut can be made horizontally vs coming from under it, it is physically impossible.


and i have said enough about dead animals lol

bigwazza wrote:

ella wrote:

new Staffy owner wrote:No, slaughterhouses are not the nicest of places, who could expect them to be.

What I have seen of many different animals during my long years has shown to me that animals do accept the death of another animal calmly (whether their own species or not) and do not relate it to their inner selves. I have seen animals from rodents and birds to sheep, cattle and horses wander around the bodies of their deceased fellow species without any troubling "am I next" thoughts. These were natural deaths in the field (or wherever).

The trouble comes when these "prey" animals (the ones we and our dogs eat) are taken by lorry to the market place and then the slaughterhouse. This does upset them and they generally yell their heads off. They are being herded from one place (which they got used to for a few days or months) to another. But I still do not believe that they anticipate "death" - something new undoubtedly, but not their own destruction.

But, at the end of the day, these animals ARE going to die, like it or not - if not for our human consumption, then for our dogs' consumption. And I still maintain that bleeding to death whilst strung up by the hind legs is more humanely achieved whilst the animal is stunned than conscious.

you've clearly not seen an animal suffering from fear before being slaughtered, many argue that is worst for them then the actual death.

I agree it's better for the animal to be stunned i'm not arguing that point, but why do people pass up the meat when the animals have died anyway? surely thats a waste of their life?

exactly ella haha this thread went from showing what you bought to a full on debate about halal meat next we will be burning the quaran lol

ella you ever fed kosha meat lol

Haha I know

Actually no I haven't fed kosha meat lol

I am not in any way religious, in fact i think it is the undoing of the human race, but it is still fascinating lol im interested in a lot of things. apart from fashion and stuff like that, thats just boring and shallow.

haha i get you

Whoops didn't even see that word, i thought he said discussing it lol

I didn't notice it either!

Oh dear, I just KNEW I should not have entered into this subject.

No, I have not visited a slaughterhouse and I am wondering why so many of you have. So no, i have not seen an animal suffering from fear before being slaughtered so bow to your superior knowledge, although I would still maintain that these animals (and yes chickens) have no premonition of their death, but are just exhibiting their distress at being in an unusual place, which has probably happened at several times in their lives at markets etc. Cattle and sheep will have been subjected to being put in a crush during their lives for many reasons; they will have no idea or premonition that THIS time it will lead to their death.

No Hayley, I am NOT looking at this from a human point of view - quite the reverse if you look at my previous messages. I was born and brought up in a farming environment and always knew where the cattle and sheep would end up, although I didn't follow them to the abbatoir. I was then and have always been a realist - it hasn't turned ME into a veggie.

However, I HAVE seen films that have shown animals killed whilst standing and having their throats slit and I cannot be pursuaded that they (the animals) would prefer this method of death as opposed to being knocked unconscious and THEN having their throats slit.

As to buying meat that has been produced by the halal method - yes it's already there and the animal is already dead and yes it would be a waste of life if the meat produced were to go to waste, but that's not going to happen is it. I just prefer NOT to subscribe to this method of animal destruction.

I've been to slaughterhouses to get food if you are interested.

Animals do suffer from prolonged immense fear, (can't think of the proper name) and all the things that go along with it, which is why many think that is worse then the death.

Well it would be a waste if the meat goes to waste

Lol, missed the shock point again. Not going to say it another time so yeah, bowing out of this one now.

This is why I have a weird kind of respect for hunters (those that get food from the animal and etc.). A lot of them I've spoken to have a surprising respect for the animal they kill, and I used to be very black-and-white, if you killed animals you were a horrible person. But there are no slaughterhouses with those animals. They weren't bred to be killed by us, they werent subjected to fear. Just born in the wild, living their life naturally, and then one day they're killed. Same as with any other predator.

Admit it, you all love a good debate

Anyway, I'm sure animals don't have a preferred method of dying. It's our responsibility to minimise their suffering. I wouldn't imagine being stunned is all that nice either, so to me, I'd say they're both bad, but both means of killing animals. As was already said, the animal is already dead, and not eating halal meat out of moral principle is great, but it won't actually stop it from existing, so I don't see anything wrong with eating it or buying it for your dogs provided your own morals and beliefs allow it.

ANattyRat wrote: so I don't see anything wrong with eating it or buying it for your dogs provided your own morals and beliefs allow it.

But that's it - my own morals won't allow it. To me it's less humane than the accepted standard way in this country.

I also have nothing against people who hunt for food. I have everything against people who hunt for pleasure.