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Post by Guest Thu Nov 25 2010, 08:31

Well to cut a long story short, a friend who lives in the village owns a 2 yr old entire male kc reg staff called cash and another male netured crossbreed called joe. She came home yesterday morning to find the cat in a million and one pieces on the floor, joe with a bit of head in his mouth and cash cowering in the corner covered in blood and scratches. She had acidently shut the dogs in the conservatory with the cat which she never normally does. The dogs and cat are normally extremley close and sleep curled up together. Obviously she was extremley distressed and had tryed to contact me all day but i didnt hear phone etc till 5ish last night. Anyway when i saw her she has cash booked in at vets to be pts at 6. I told her i wouldnt allow the dog to be killed for killing a cat and took the dog home with me last night. I took him to the vet to rule out illness, he had a extremley high temp and a tooth problem which the vet said would have been agony for him.
Anyway i have explained to my friend that about terrier instinct etc and the fact he was unwell and that she didnt actually wittness what happened and the factors that caused cash to do what he did and the fact that she didnt even no if it was him for sure (although in my opinion it probably was). I understand she has lost confidence in him as it was so out of character but also tryed to explain to her that he is only an animal after all, and u can never trust them fully. For instance i would never leave my dogs and kids on there own together if i leave the room so do the dogs and is why i have stair gates on all my doors so i can separate.
Cash is back with her now and she has decided to keep him
Have i done the right thing?
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Post by Guest Thu Nov 25 2010, 10:06

thats such a hard one to answer like you say nobody knows the full story if he done it, the other dog done it, if the cat started it and he finished it, if both dog ganged up and done it, like you say its a terrier instinct and i dont think you could get a dog pts on a hunch that it was all down to him.
re-giving him another chance i dont see any other option in this instance but i would never be leaving him alone with any other animal again even down to the other dog and deff never with children(which im sure they would never do anyway)

so on this matter i think personaly yes you did give the right advice

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Post by Guest Thu Nov 25 2010, 10:13

I think you've done the right thing, although I feel that prhaps Cash should now be neutered (yes, that's right, I did say that! Big Grin ).

Had it been a child that had been savaged, I would have had both dogs pts immediately. However, I know a lot of cat owners will hate me for this, but to a lot of dogs a cat is prey. Staffies especially have a moment when a 'red mist' comes over their eyes & they cannot stop themselves. If either one started on the cat, they would both join in.

I an a little concerned, though, that she immediately thought that Cash was to blame when it was him cowering in the corner, and Joe with what was left of the cat in his mouth? Or did I get that wrong?

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Post by Guest Thu Nov 25 2010, 10:14

I agree with Wazza Blaze. As said, noone knows the full story. As long as she is sensible and doesnt leave him alone with another animal or child as Wazza said, I think the right decision has been made. You wouldnt have forgiven yrself if you hadnt persuaded yr friend to give him another chance, especially because noone knows what happened. I def think you did the right thing x

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Post by Guest Thu Nov 25 2010, 10:15

I thought the same at first Caryll but Cash was covered in blood and scratches. I think it prob was him, but like you said, the cat yes prey to the dogs. Its just natural animal instinct.

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Post by Guest Thu Nov 25 2010, 10:37

just to add a point to my post i love all animals cats included but in no deffence of what has happend iv seen many cats attacking dogs as they have walked past them so as i said in my original post the cat might have started it but has come off the worst

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Post by Guest Thu Nov 25 2010, 10:43

Example: There's a cat down the street next to mine & I have to walk Dempsey down there to get to the park. Well, this cat's always sitting on a wall & as you walk by it often stands on its' hind legs & lashes out with teeth & claws - it's a hell-cat! Dempsey would always try to have a go, but I always pulled him back & shoo'd the cat away.

Well one day, I was walking home from the park, & the cat was behind the wall. I just didn't see it. It shot out as we walked past & attacked Dempsey with teeth & claws, but Dempsey was too quick for it. He sort of swivelled round & got hold of the moggy by the back of the neck. Had I not been there, or if Dempsey hadn't been on a lead, I think he'd have killed it. Literally.

It only takes one spark to light a fire, and once a staff is on fire, there's very little can stop him.

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Post by Guest Thu Nov 25 2010, 11:19

From walks with kuma .. cats have been very lucky .. she for no reason growls at them and wants to chase them and a don't think its to lick them and run around with.

A think that you have done the right thing.. you said he had toothache.. well ano what am like when av got it bad and someone annoys me its enough to want to murder sum one Smile well in for doing the right thing never nice to have a happy dog pts Sad

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Post by Guest Thu Nov 25 2010, 11:41

IMO a dog shold NOT be PTS for killing a cat - and how can she just blame cash wen joe was involved too???

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Post by Guest Thu Nov 25 2010, 12:00

Well its not just her that thought it was cash i did as well, it was cash that was covered it blood and "looking guilty" if u see what i mean also it was only him covered in cat scratchs and i do mean covered. Im glad u lot agree with me. She is getting him castrated he's bookd in for 2 weeks time.
A cat is prey for dogs espeacially terriers......although i have told her shes not to leave either dog alone with the kids, although i told her that before this happend anyway.
I would also like to say when i took cash to my vets the vet after asking lots of questions etc was satisfied that cash was safe with the kids and also agreed that just because he did what he did to a cat in no way means that he would do the same 2 a human. Of course this is what i was telling her as well but it was nice to hear it from a vet (a trusted vet anyway). When she first told her own vet he actually reccommended putting him to sleep as did the rspca! All i can say is that i was absolutly disgusted.

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Post by Guest Thu Nov 25 2010, 12:03

rspca just want rid of staffys.. in my view anyway anytime a have spoke to them in the past its like unless u own a farm you can't have one there a danger in a close or a housing scheme with children !! why can't people understand that this breed is one if not the best to bring up around children? unless what am told or have been reading is non scene Sad

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Post by Guest Thu Nov 25 2010, 12:13

No you're right sean. Their rep with kids was a major reason I chose to have a staffy. I think the only dog that matches a staffs love and tolerance for children is the newfoundland. My house is just not big enough for a staffy and a newfoundland!

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Post by Guest Thu Nov 25 2010, 12:18

re the rspca i agree they just be happy to wipe out staffys
re her vet there are still to many vets that beleive the hype about staffs and dont understand the breed

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Post by Guest Thu Nov 25 2010, 12:18

A thought so kumas fine with everyone her only downfall is jumping up at folk who come to the house.. on ly because they don't listin to me if you dont look or touch kuma when you walk in she gets board and walks away but if you make a fuss she goes mad wanting cuddles and kisses Smile

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Post by Guest Thu Nov 25 2010, 13:01

My dogs have that problem as well seany boy what im doing with them is when someone comes in the house and they jump up i say AH AH sharply and loudly and they go staright into the kichen when they are calm i bring them out again and keep repeating this till they dont jump then i treat them, dont get me wrong its vety time consuming and takes 10+ attempts but i think its slowly working! x

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Post by Hayley109 Thu Nov 25 2010, 18:48

I rescued a Belgian Shepard X who got taken to Dogs Trust cos she killed a cat. Needless to say after 18 months of being in our house with only 'minor' incidents (ie. chasing cats) one day she decided to try and take a chunk out of a stranger walking by. I couldnt trust her anymore and the vet said PTS. but i couldnt bring myself to do it. The Dogs Trust have taken her back now (with a hefty donation from me) cos i feel like i've let her down. In my experience if the dogs done it once and without an experienced hand and lots of training it can be quite difficult to sort out.
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Post by Guest Thu Nov 25 2010, 19:20

i kinda have to agree with the above post when they do it once and get the taste of blood, its hard for them to go back.

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Post by youngkaiser Thu Nov 25 2010, 22:39

I think u did the right thing like u say u cant just punish one dog becuase nobody knows what happened i know my bros bitch staffy nearly killed there cat but they havent even thought of having her put to sleep as the cat is the one that lashes out they just keep them seperated at all times now
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Post by HazelJ Thu Nov 25 2010, 23:58

Caryll wrote:I think you've done the right thing, although I feel that prhaps Cash should now be neutered (yes, that's right, I did say that! Big Grin ).

Had it been a child that had been savaged, I would have had both dogs pts immediately. However, I know a lot of cat owners will hate me for this, but to a lot of dogs a cat is prey. Staffies especially have a moment when a 'red mist' comes over their eyes & they cannot stop themselves. If either one started on the cat, they would both join in.

I an a little concerned, though, that she immediately thought that Cash was to blame when it was him cowering in the corner, and Joe with what was left of the cat in his mouth? Or did I get that wrong?

I agree about the cats we used to have a cat but he died from snake bite, anyway he was in our yard 1 day and a woman and her 4 year old grandson were walking past with the german shepherd leading the 4 year old anyway the mutt saw Freddie and got him right around the neck but my old boy was tough and escaped.

I think maybe the cat was trying to protect it's territory as it's in there all the time and maybe thought the dogs were trying to take over. R.I.P little kitty. It's just a thought, i think u did the right thing. All animals need a 2nd chance. If not Mia would be with Nitro now. The cat obviously got Cash so i think it was protecting it's territory.
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Post by gem Sun Nov 28 2010, 23:08

You did the right thing, the problem is when homes with multi animals are left unatended they do amuse themselves cats do like to play but on there terms the stafford likes to play but will not back down when the games over tensions gets high and we all know what happens then. You cant blame the dog and your freind has now learned a lesson no one should trust there dogs 100% no matter what then accidents like this one dont happen. Its a very sad story and im really sorry for your freind I hope she can forgive the dogs in time Sad
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Post by Guest Mon Nov 29 2010, 10:33

a could easily do it 10 times and she would still do it she just crys when put out the room its hard work to say the least

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Post by niff Mon Nov 29 2010, 10:43

i think my family members and friends are to daft to follow my instructions when entering my house ive told them time and time again dont talk to the dgs or make eye contact when you come in and only say hello when the dogs are calm , nobody listens , tbh the dogs follow instruction better . poor wee cat , i think its the womans fault its dead not the dogs fault , i know for a fact if i left shady in a room with a cat it would be in pieces he just dont like them . the fact she was even thinking about having the dog put to sleep i find astounding
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Post by Guest Mon Nov 29 2010, 10:55

I agree with you niff! Dempsey would definitely kill a cat, but I would trust him with a child (although not unsupervised - I don't care how good any dog is you should never leave a dog & child alone together, too many things could go wrong!). The dogs were just giving in to instincts.

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Post by Guest Mon Nov 29 2010, 11:06

Yea all of u you have said caryll & niff is exactly my opinion as well, i was in shock when i heard her vet advised cash 2 be pts. Her trouble is that both the dogs are so good that she has got complasent (spelling?) They really are angels, they dont jump at anyone they dont fight they are not dominent over anything i could go on and on...... Ive been telling her for ages that she should still remember they're dogs!!!
Although i love and trust my boys i NEVER leave them alone with my kids, they always get shut behind the stair gate even if i go 4 a wee. I also got my hubby to make our stair gates so the bars were big enough for the cat to get through so she can always escape even if she did accidently get shut in with them.

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Post by niff Mon Nov 29 2010, 11:33

yep babygates are god sends
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Post by Guest Mon Nov 29 2010, 13:52

mine now has the bottle to jump over it :L

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Post by gem Tue Nov 30 2010, 22:02

I would never leave my dogs with my grandchildren ever they follow me everywere its just not worth the risk
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Post by Guest Tue Nov 30 2010, 22:11

i would and have left my kids with my Katie and my old staff Tyson as well, thats cause i know my dogs i can i honestly say i can trust them 110%.

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Post by gem Tue Nov 30 2010, 22:38

shane wrote:i would and have left my kids with my Katie and my old staff Tyson as well, thats cause i know my dogs i can i honestly say i can trust them 110%.
I trust my dogs too shane but would still never leave them alone together the dogs follow me everywere in my house im in charge, but if im not in the room im not in charge.
You hear too many horror stories of the dog has never shown agression before ect so I personally dont think its worth the risk when my 2 prefare to be with me.
The chance of a attack maybe 10,000 to 1 but id rather not take the risk however slight.
I remember my uni days and did a peice on reasons for attacks most were chemical imbalance in the brain of some sort thats too scarey for me when it comes to kids they are to precious.
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Post by Guest Tue Nov 30 2010, 22:41

I know what you mean, Shane, but I wouldn't leave any dog alone with young children either - it isn't worth the risk.

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Post by Guest Tue Nov 30 2010, 23:32

yeah i can see where yer coming from but Katie is part of our family and she considers herself a pack member and knows where she is in the pecking order. but i could never see her turning on any of the kids for no reason,

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Post by gem Wed Dec 01 2010, 00:01

shane wrote:yeah i can see where yer coming from but Katie is part of our family and she considers herself a pack member and knows where she is in the pecking order. but i could never see her turning on any of the kids for no reason,
Im sure your Katie would never turn but she is a dog and there language and comunication isnt like ours its complexed, chemical imbalance can occur for many different reasons stress, illness, fear, ect ect im just not prepared to take any risks were kids are concerned
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Post by Guest Wed Dec 01 2010, 10:35

My dogs love my kids to bits and are so doting on them espeacially my 2 year old, they jump up on everyone else (im ashamed to say lol) but have never done to her and are always protective etc but i would still never leave them together. This story says it all really (although their definatley is a difference between a human and cat) All it takes is the dog to be feeling off colour and the child to accidentley stand on it or poke it in the eye and it may do something very much out of character

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