Crossgunner Staffords

I have a Crossgunner Stafford "Gunners' Doppelgänger"
And I was wondering if anyone else has pups or dogs from this epic lineage?

I've got to say I've never heard of them.

http://www.crossguns.com/

This is them

Yes know the kennel well

Oh really? This is awesome! Are they still active, since they haven't got back to me when I've tried to inquire about Juniors lines.

Skullkandi wrote:http://www.crossguns.com/

This is them

Ah, Crossguns! Yes, I've heard of them. I would think anyone who has shown a staff will have heard of them!

Yes, they're still active. Very much so!

Yeah, they just don't seem to be too friendly when I ask about Juniors lineage. No reply from them whatsoever.

As a big kennel they would receive lots of emails and maybe are busy to respond there dogs have been used a lot at stud so they may not have the info if there dogs are way back in the pedigree. All the champs will be available if you google them any other info maybe someone on here could help
They do a lot of judging too now and are abroad quite a bit very busy people

Skullkandi wrote:Yeah, they just don't seem to be too friendly when I ask about Juniors lineage. No reply from them whatsoever.

Don't forget that they will not know you as Junior's owners & so maybe they won't reply.

Was just assessing a few things with my friend who is knowledgeable about staffies and now, we've realised that because Juniors owners neutered him, whether or not he had Crossguns genetics or lineage now does not matter, he can't be shown professionally.
ARG! What a waste!

Ah, no, a neutered dog can't, as a rule, be shown. There are exceptions, but they're rare.

I very much doubt that he will be made the exception. Argh, unaltered, he would have been worth around £2500 with his talent and lineage and mini record. Now he's probably worth less than £200. Ah well, he's still my baby! I love his little man-less self :3

iv got top names in my dog linage including cross guns just becouse you got them in there ped dont mean there worth big money it all comes down to the dog its self

This was a while back now, he was getting " priced" due to his talent or something, but it doesn't matter now =/ Well, as i said, I still love him.

?? what his talent just out of interest? If the price goes up the more talented they are my 2 will be worth a fortune! Talents include:-
* destroyers
* cuddlers
* etc etc haha

£2500?! Does he poo golden nuggets??

Sorry, never heard of a talent that makes a dog worth that much, regardless of his ped. As you say, the main thing is that he's loved

Blaze: He does Weightpull, showing, springpole, beginner obedience (schutzhund style) and his pedigree adds to his "worth"
Shon: what he poos is something not worth talking about XDDD Tis awful stuff.

But nah, i love him either way.

jazz have you got any vids of him doing his tricks

Skullkandi wrote:I very much doubt that he will be made the exception. Argh, unaltered, he would have been worth around £2500 with his talent and lineage and mini record. Now he's probably worth less than £200. Ah well, he's still my baby! I love his little man-less self :3

I doubt that he'd have been worth £2500. I'm not doing him down, here, just being realistic! Even a top, proven stud would struggle to fetch that sum!

Were you planning to sell him if he wasn't unaltered? If not, why does it matter how much he is "worth?"

No, never! I would never sell him! Money cannot replace a dog, ever. Anyone who thinks money can replace or is better than a dog does not deserve to own one.
No, I may have put him up for stud, but in general, I am just interested, genuinely interested.

you cant stud with a nuetared dog ????lol

haha

Skullkandi wrote:No, I may have put him up for stud.

Um, you'll have trouble with that!

talking about breeding if i deside to stud memphis im going to be looking at around 3000 pounds stud fee as iv looked back on his linage and he got a good chance of having gentelman jim and brindle mick in his blood
to me thats a bargain lol

I meant if he wasn't neutered =/
I said "I may have"...past tense...not "I may" which is future tense.

bigwazza wrote:talking about breeding if i deside to stud memphis im going to be looking at around 3000 pounds stud fee as iv looked back on his linage and he got a good chance of having gentelman jim and brindle mick in his blood
to me thats a bargain lol

Aww well, just another question gone wrong I guess. No biggie.
Thanks for the information, I may contact them at a later date.

Not what breeding and pedigrees are about you cant put a value on a dog

I won't go into this in any more detail, but I get your point...
He's adorabubble and I wouldn't change him anyway.

Is his kc name crossguns gunners doppelganger?

Debbie wrote:Is his kc name crossguns gunners doppelganger?

Indeed it is.

heard of his lineage, very good

Could you give us his sire and dam?

Debbie wrote:Could you give us his sire and dam?

I only know his dam. Solodom Scarlet.

Who told you he was crossguns? Can't find any dog bred by them with that name ....probably why they haven't got back to you.

Debbie wrote:Who told you he was crossguns? Can't find any dog bred by them with that name ....probably why they haven't got back to you.

His owners.
I'm very doubtful as well these days. Oh well, he's a lovely boy and I love him either way.

My Vinnie's GT GT GT Grandparent is CH Valglo Casanova at cross guns

http://www.crossguns.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=69&phpMyAdmin=f7e7645257711eb27449470797b7fd26&Itemid=54

I just look there 1 line i wouldn't touch it. 3 dog pop in the 2nd and 3rd generations

...and what line would that be?

Its his dad's side GTGT Grandparent

CH Valglo Casanova at cross guns

I've noticed hes got a lot more brindle as hes got aged. I don't like the crossguns dogs I think they have piggy faces.

just looked at the write up correct me if wrong you cant reg a litter with a 11 year old stud can you by kc rules

At least its better then the people that owned silver zella selling him on at 7.

shakespearesdog wrote:At least its better then the people that owned silver zella selling him on at 7.

yes i know that was shocking just goes to show even the top dogs/bitches are just money makers not loved pets
no doubt you will see nice bitches getting sold on at younger ages now you can only breed and reg 4 litters from a bitch not the 6 it was

And you cant kc reg if the bitch as had 2 c sections. Also when we're looking for dogs ped, remember we cant allways find it, the breeder/owner may have kc reg them, but doeosnt mean you can find them. Kenny is kc reg, but when i was checking him out, i couldnt find him

bigwazza wrote:just looked at the write up correct me if wrong you cant reg a litter with a 11 year old stud can you by kc rules

The stud's age doesn't matter. The only thing you have to be careful of is decreased fertility in an older dog.

kenny d wrote:Also when we're looking for dogs ped, remember we cant allways find it, the breeder/owner may have kc reg them, but doeosnt mean you can find them. Kenny is kc reg, but when i was checking him out, i couldnt find him

If your dog is kc registered then you will be able to find a record of it by contacting the KC. As long as you have the registered name & a date of birth (preferably with sire & dam's name as well, although that isn't strictly necessary) there will be a record of him on the KC's computer files.

Yes, sorry car, wha i ment was if i was looking on websites, useing the dogs kennel only.

I have crossguns billy black in my ped. Iirc the dame he was mated to was a shoshin super dog, and in that litter sureshot also worked a super dog in my boys ped as well

Crossguns is a respectable breeder from what I have read/heard/seen