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Post by Nifty staffy on Sat Feb 17 2018, 16:17

Just come across a stud who specialize in blues but who have a litter with 3 champagne coloured pups (the others are light blues).
Both parents are blue.
Are these pups really a very rare (undesirable) colour or just a genetic catastrophy ?
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Post by Paris1990 on Sat Feb 17 2018, 16:43

There was 2 in Hank’s litter and I don’t know how.. the Mother was red and white and the Dad was black.
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Post by Nifty staffy on Sat Feb 17 2018, 17:40

Oh wow, I’d just never heard of that colouring before.
Selling for silly money out here though Rolling Eyes
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Post by Paris1990 on Sat Feb 17 2018, 18:15

They didn’t say they were champagne but I googled the colour and it looks like the one they kept and we keep in touch so I’ve seen how he’s turned out, I remember they wanted more for the other one but wasn’t stupid price maybe just a extra couple of hundred on what we paid for hank.
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Post by Nifty staffy on Sat Feb 17 2018, 20:41

They’re selling for 2000 euros here, 3 males “for company only” as impossible to confirm for reproduction or show
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Post by Paris1990 on Sat Feb 17 2018, 20:52

What the!! That’s insane. Sounds like a money making scheme rather than a nice breeder.. hope them pups are looked after :’( watched a programme about puppy farming and broke my heart.

This is the pup the breeder kept.. he’s called Thor Smile is this the colour they are saying is champagne?

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Post by Nifty staffy on Sat Feb 17 2018, 22:00

He’s nice but Hank is much nicer IMHO.
Difficult to beat a black with that shine on the coat ! Big Grin

Here they are ... (price has dropped since this morning)
http://woodys-original.chiens-de-france.com/staffordshire-bull-terrier,woody-s-original,vendre-chiots,37943_276542.html
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Post by Paris1990 on Sun Feb 18 2018, 08:07

Hehehe yes my hank is definitely more handsome Smile he gets so many compliments on his coat when we go out walking and I’m like oh thank you Laughing

Aah yes very similar to Thor apart from the dark eyes and snout unless there’s will go dark you never know 2000 Euro is ridiculous, stupid people will pay it though
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Re: Champagne coloured staffies ?!

Post by gillybrent on Sun Feb 18 2018, 08:46

They're fawns. The red equivalent of blue. You can get all sorts of shades of fawn, just as you get lots of shades of blue.

Not rare, not worth more - but will never do anything in the show ring. As pets they're going to be just as wonderful for someone as any other colour.

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Post by LizP on Sun Feb 18 2018, 11:24

We see that colour at Danaher quite a bit (although the dogs are crosses with varying degrees of staffie-ness). In fact, we have a couple at the moment, both reserved, and a litter of pups with varying shades of red-fawn Love Struck


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Post by Nifty staffy on Sun Feb 18 2018, 12:09

gillybrent wrote:They're fawns. The red equivalent of blue.
I thought fawn was the colour of Liz’s Millie, for example, but Millie is much “richer” in colour.
Would that also mean that any light coloured dog has compulsory dilute gene colouring ?
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Post by gillybrent on Mon Feb 19 2018, 10:37

Nifty staffy wrote:
gillybrent wrote:They're fawns. The red equivalent of blue.
I thought fawn was the colour of Liz’s Millie, for example, but Millie is much “richer” in colour.
Would that also mean that any light coloured dog has compulsory dilute gene colouring ?

No, but that pale gold just isn't a 'Stafford' colour. You'll only get it when there are two recessive fawn genes meeting. If you look back in the pedigrees you'll always see fawns or red x blues. Unless, of course, there's been a cross in the past. Very often, a white stafford crossed with, say, a yellow lab will produce pale gold pups.


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Re: Champagne coloured staffies ?!

Post by lexii on Tue Feb 20 2018, 00:22

No colour of any animal is worth any more than another. A real breeder/one who cares about the breed won't sell them as special...only as a good animal conformation and health wise.

Unfortunately "nice" colours sell better if people think it is special. Honestly lexi was the cheapest in her litter, she was the only dark brindle the rest were red and white. She was advertised less as she had an underbite thus not suitable for showing or breeding but they also said to us most people dont like that colour...soo that was the pup for me!

I just seen a thing or read a thing on black animals not rehoming as well...not sure why. I love black animals..always have had black dogs, rabbits, cats. A black horse was always my dream but i only ever had one on loan for 3 months as she was a head case and had to go back but i do have a black mini horse. Hes still a nut but lovable lol black animals rock Big Grin
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Re: Champagne coloured staffies ?!

Post by gillybrent on Tue Feb 20 2018, 09:24

It's worth remembering that a 'yellow' dog is the result of a recessive gene; a'fawn' or 'blue' dog is the result of a recessive dilute gene.

So, a yellow Labrador mated to a yellow Labrador will produce a mixture of yellow and black pup's because most yellow labs have one black & one yellow gene & it's a coin toss how those match up with the parents. If a yellow lab has two yellow genes it will have a brown nose & brown pigment. Two Blacks will produce all Blacks & a black x yellow will produce a mixture.

The dilute gene works in a similar way, but affects colour by 'masking' either black or red. So a pup with two dilute black genes will have no black whatsoever. The well bred ones will have very dark pigment (usually bred from a black or black brindle with the blue gene to either an existing blue or other colour known to have the dilute gene) but will not have black noses or black eye rims. A fawn, however, can have black nose & eye rims.

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Post by Nifty staffy on Tue Feb 20 2018, 19:29

lexii wrote:
I just seen a thing or read a thing on black animals not rehoming as well...not sure why. I love black animals..always have had black dogs, rabbits, cats. A black horse was always my dream but i only ever had one on loan for 3 months as she was a head case and had to go back but i do have a black mini horse. Hes still a nut but lovable lol black animals rock Big Grin

I’ve heard that too but I do think stereotypes play a big role in this. Black cats are unlucky, black dogs are devil dogs. The only exception are horses because most little girls want their own Black Beauty one day !
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