i'm looking for a liver coloured staffy

if anybody come across a really staffy that is lived colour please can you post it here

Best i can find right now

nice one lisa

Lisa & Cairo wrote:Best i can find right now

Yes please Ill take 2

SOOOOOOO CUTE!

gorgeous colour there so cute i want one

Caryll wrote:

Yep one of them to please awwwwww my heart just melted

ow they are so cute

Tracie-Milly-Moos Mum wrote:

Lisa & Cairo wrote:Best i can find right now

Yes please Ill take 2

there a lush couler why is it so undersirable???

Because it indicates cross breeding!!

In the early days there were no liver coloured staffs! Also liver dogs almost always have brown/pink noses & the standard calls for black without exception.

Was it this forum that there was a member with a really old staffy called Chloe? She was proper liver coloured

It rings a bell, but I'm not sure.

And they adopted another male from somebody else on the forum called reuben. Reuben was a 2 year old boy and chloe was about 15. BRB Im going to find out!

Caryll wrote:Because it indicates cross breeding!!

In the early days there were no liver coloured staffs! Also liver dogs almost always have brown/pink noses & the standard calls for black without exception.

cross breeding with what caryll

Chloe (it was another forum), Im hoping her owners wont mind me posting this if they object ill have to remove it!

plus those ickle puppies are mastiffs not staffs

bigwazza wrote:

Caryll wrote:Because it indicates cross breeding!!

In the early days there were no liver coloured staffs! Also liver dogs almost always have brown/pink noses & the standard calls for black without exception.

cross breeding with what caryll

To be perfectly honest, I haven't a clue!!!!

http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1&u=16532253
http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=2&u=16532253

My boy Biggie at 7months
All Staffy
Staffordshire bull terrier x American Staffy

And the cross breeding carryl is speakin of is back in the 1800's when they were crossed with whippets,,it is thought this is how they got their colour aswell as the blues...
you can get purebreed liver staffy's they are just rare but there was 3 out of nine in the litter i got my boy from...

love the name biggie ,,,,,,,,,, one day i will have a pup again and call him biggie , some of shady and dakota,s pups have biggie refs in there kc names , like machine gun funk and skys the limit lol

stylemaster_3000 wrote:with whippets,,it is thought this is how they got their colour aswell as the blues...

blue come from black or black brindle staffy, blue come from dodgy genes

and dodgy jeans come from turkey pmsl

i was watch country flies (i think its call that on sunday morning) tv show about cows and there was blue ones

:cry:steve stop picking on memphis and saying he dodgy you bad man

Aww poor memphis bless him kaiser probably has dodgy genes too then

The colour Liver is thought to be due to the Whippet crosses used years ago. The Blue also is thought to be due to this cross, the Black and Tan due to the Manchester Terrier . Incidently the colour black was never in the original Bulldog so our black staffies are thought to have other terrier influence.

The terrier used in cross with bulldog to create SBT was the (Old) English Terrier. "Some time about 1800/1820, the Bulldog was crossed with the Old English Terrier and produced the Staffordshire" (Beilby H N 1943. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier, page 7).

The breeds like White English Terrier and Manchester Terrier didn't yet exist. The coloration varied in the (Old) English Terrier. Most common was black&tan but there were also white, pied and even blue. (Brown T 1829. Biographical Sketches and Authentic Anecdotes of Dogs, page 342; Jardine W, Smith C H 1840. The Natural History of Dogs, page 206; Walsh J H "Stonehenge" 1859. The Dog in Helath and Disesase, page 74; Beilby H N, pages 9-10.)

B&T was considered as the only "true" color for English Terrier (Walsh, p. 74). Maybe the other colors were a bit unwanted because they reminded from the Bulldog / Bull Terrier (yes Bulldog blood was added to many terriers to give them needed courage and higher threshold for pain). And maybe the Bull Terrier (SBT) people prefered the coloration of courageous Bull Dog and didn't like the B&T which was a wimpy terrier colour.

stylemaster_3000 wrote:The colour Liver is thought to be due to the Whippet crosses used years ago. The Blue also is thought to be due to this cross, the Black and Tan due to the Manchester Terrier . Incidently the colour black was never in the original Bulldog so our black staffies are thought to have other terrier influence.

The terrier used in cross with bulldog to create SBT was the (Old) English Terrier. "Some time about 1800/1820, the Bulldog was crossed with the Old English Terrier and produced the Staffordshire" (Beilby H N 1943. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier, page 7).

The breeds like White English Terrier and Manchester Terrier didn't yet exist. The coloration varied in the (Old) English Terrier. Most common was black&tan but there were also white, pied and even blue. (Brown T 1829. Biographical Sketches and Authentic Anecdotes of Dogs, page 342; Jardine W, Smith C H 1840. The Natural History of Dogs, page 206; Walsh J H "Stonehenge" 1859. The Dog in Helath and Disesase, page 74; Beilby H N, pages 9-10.)

B&T was considered as the only "true" color for English Terrier (Walsh, p. 74). Maybe the other colors were a bit unwanted because they reminded from the Bulldog / Bull Terrier (yes Bulldog blood was added to many terriers to give them needed courage and higher threshold for pain). And maybe the Bull Terrier (SBT) people prefered the coloration of courageous Bull Dog and didn't like the B&T which was a wimpy terrier colour.

blue didn't come about because of crossing breeding, blue come about becasue of a genes it's in alot of animals not just dogs that why blue are in the official colour in the breed liver & black & tan are not allow

I can't see any pics !!!

Oh nevermind... there they are. I'll take all 3 please! How gorgeous are those pups!!

Ahhhh,,Liver and Black & Tan are allowed and can be registered under most KC but are regarded as undesirable...
Even tho they are the best looking staffies...

stylemaster_3000 wrote:Ahhhh,,Liver and Black & Tan are allowed and can be registered under most KC but are regarded as undesirable...
Even tho they are the best looking staffies...

I agree although i do love them all

Liver is undesirable because a stafford should have a solid black nose, and liver staffs have brown noses. Black and tan is undesirable because it is a dominant gene and if bred from, would quickly overpower all other colours.
Blue is a dilute of the black gene, just as fawn is a dilute of black. Blue staffs do not show well because the dilution causes the black of the nose to be a light or charcoal colour which is a penalty. It is said that the blue colouring originally came from the now extinct fighting dog breed the blue paul terrier.