mentally ill are going homeless

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very sad state of affair if you ask me, people are getting their benefits cut so they going homeless when people who keep having kids who cant afford them keep getting benefit something is wrong here....

these are the people who need it FFS

Steve wrote:so you you think we should carry on like we are now, kids breeding like rabbits, families with money but also claiming everything they can and so on?

people who as no body & they may look fit enough to work but they are not should be took off benefits?

Where did I say that things should carry on as they are? All I've said is that the children should not be made to suffer for their parents' greed.

I think people who have been on the dole for more than 6 months, and who are capable of working, should be made to do community work for points. They would need to amass a certain amount of points to qualify for their full benefits. If they don't, the their money gets reduced accordingly. I think there should be clothing vouchers that can only be exchanged for children's clothes. There should be food vouchers that can't be exchanged for booze or cigs.

Get the lazy b*stards back to work, even if it's only community service.

what about people who earning enough but claiming everything they can?

If they're earning enough then there's very little they can claim unless they're fiddling the system. In that case, why punish the kids? Get more people trained in spotting benefit fraud & the ones they catch will more than pay for their wages!

you saw on the news the other month parents who are earning £60,000 plus can claim things like children care, tax credits and so on.

If you're earning £60k you can't claim child tax credit - I know that because I claim it!

I suppose there might be help towards child care costs if both parents work, but that doesn't amount to all that much.

you can the stop it at if someone is them self is earning 40,000 but if 2 parents are earning 39,999 they still can claim it.

Steve wrote:you can the stop it at if someone is them self is earning 40,000 but if 2 parents are earning 39,999 they still can claim it.

Your right.
It is silly people earning nearly 80k feel they have to claim.
But we may have more money if instead of cutting the poors money we make the millionaires who trade in this country pay taxes in this country like that bloke who owns topman

the Tories & labour as made a right mess of things, i think we need to start again scrape everything and look after the people who really need it.

Steve wrote:you can the stop it at if someone is them self is earning 40,000 but if 2 parents are earning 39,999 they still can claim it.

It goes on total earnings, not individual, and it depends on how many children you have. A husband & wife can't claim seperately.

well it something familes can claim or something to do with tax it was on the news for about month about it

yes it's Child benefit

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17854937

Child benefit is about £20 per week for the first child & then (roughly) £15 per child after that. It's a fixed sum & nothing to do with earnings. It's paid until a child turns 16, or until a child reaches age 20 as long as they are still in further education (not higher education).

have you read it caryll?

Thats the one. I mean if your earning 79.9k / year you shouldn't be claiming £20 a week I would rather it go on single parents or job seekers allowence, £20 is allot of money to them people

even 40k a year you shouldn't be claiming it

Steve wrote:have you read it caryll?

Sorry, Steve, have I read what?

BlueStaffBlue wrote:Thats the one. I mean if your earning 79.9k / year you shouldn't be claiming £20 a week I would rather it go on single parents or job seekers allowence, £20 is allot of money to them people

Steve wrote:even 40k a year you shouldn't be claiming it

I agree. There should be a cap on claiming child benefit.

it you have 5 kids you nearly getting nearly £73 every week that not right at all

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17854937

Oh, right. Good idea, but doesn't go far enough.

Generally speaking it's always the wife who claims child benefit. But let's face it, if you're earning over £60k why on earth do you need an extra £20 a week?

The upper limit should be reduced to, say, a joint income of £35k. If you earn more than that you don't get the benefit.

that why people was moaning about it becasue if both parent was earning £49,999 they can still claim it

but all come round again to the fact that those people will be paying a hell of a lot more tax so feel entilited to something back even if its £20

they dont need it hayley we have people living on the streets

Steve wrote:that why people was moaning about it becasue if both parent was earning £49,999 they can still claim it

I agree that the limit has been set too high, but at least it's a start!

Steve wrote:they dont need it hayley we have people living on the streets

i know i agree, just saying what they might be thinking lol

bigwazza wrote:i noticed mr Cameron came out with another ill thought comment yesterday
132,000 off benefits since this time last year NO 132,000 people had there benefits stopped since this time last year .
41,000 people with mental issues left with no help and benefits YES good on you government.
i worked out the other week in the 22 years i worked before my accident i payed around £146,000 in tax and N I and with my wife working iv not been aball to claim a penny in benefits sorry this country is messed up

ly


I can totally empathise,my husband had an accident 4 yrs ago and sustained a serious head injury,leaving him with a brain injury.The powers that be seem to think he is perfectly fit and able to work even though he has been left with numerous cognitive and mental health problems etc He would love nothing better than to go back to work but he is so not the person he used to be.He has worked bloody hard all these yrs and paid into system but when he needs some help he is entitled to a big fat £0. My husband hates what these Tory b*****ds are doing and the state this country is in.Iwish they could walk a day in my husbands shoes to see what its like to live/exist with a brain injury and the turmoil his mental health brings to him on a daily basis.I will come off my soap box now

April xxx

geniejack wrote:Iwish they could walk a day in my husbands shoes to see what its like to live/exist with a brain injury and the turmoil his mental health brings to him on a daily basis.

Whenever I hear Boris Johnson speak, I always think he's had some serious brain trauma in the past. Man can't put a sentence together.

(not trying to make light of your husband's tragic situation)

geniejack wrote:I wish they could walk a day in my husbands shoes to see what its like to live/exist with a brain injury and the turmoil his mental health brings to him on a daily basis.I will come off my soap box now
April xxx

I wish they could as well! They wouldn't survive!

Caryll wrote:

geniejack wrote:I wish they could walk a day in my husbands shoes to see what its like to live/exist with a brain injury and the turmoil his mental health brings to him on a daily basis.I will come off my soap box now
April xxx

I wish they could as well! They wouldn't survive!

That is sadly true Caryll, very few people would survive. April you stay on your soap box you have earned the right to stand there and scream for more help and awareness of the pain yourself and your husband go through everyday with very little aid

Caryll wrote:

Steve wrote:you can the stop it at if someone is them self is earning 40,000 but if 2 parents are earning 39,999 they still can claim it.

It goes on total earnings, not individual, and it depends on how many children you have. A husband & wife can't claim seperately.

MY wife earns 12,500 a year and we get 133.00 a month family allowance (what every parent will get with 2 kids regardless of income)at the moment and 10.54 working/family tax credits a week (lowest amount they pay out )no free school dinners or any other kind of help

geniejack wrote:

bigwazza wrote:i noticed mr Cameron came out with another ill thought comment yesterday
132,000 off benefits since this time last year NO 132,000 people had there benefits stopped since this time last year .
41,000 people with mental issues left with no help and benefits YES good on you government.
i worked out the other week in the 22 years i worked before my accident i payed around £146,000 in tax and N I and with my wife working iv not been aball to claim a penny in benefits sorry this country is messed up

ly


I can totally empathise,my husband had an accident 4 yrs ago and sustained a serious head injury,leaving him with a brain injury.The powers that be seem to think he is perfectly fit and able to work even though he has been left with numerous cognitive and mental health problems etc He would love nothing better than to go back to work but he is so not the person he used to be.He has worked bloody hard all these yrs and paid into system but when he needs some help he is entitled to a big fat £0. My husband hates what these Tory b*****ds are doing and the state this country is in.Iwish they could walk a day in my husbands shoes to see what its like to live/exist with a brain injury and the turmoil his mental health brings to him on a daily basis.I will come off my soap box now

April xxx

yes and as iv pointed out before your husband will have been told by a NURSE with no extra knowledge of your husbands condition that he fit for work even if you go to apeal you will go before a GP and dont matter what consultant letters you take outlining why you are unfit for work it will be upheld that you can work anyway
there criteria is if you can pick up a pint of milk and talk on the phone for 30 seconds and walk 50yards unaided you can work

bigwazza wrote:

Caryll wrote:

Steve wrote:you can the stop it at if someone is them self is earning 40,000 but if 2 parents are earning 39,999 they still can claim it.

It goes on total earnings, not individual, and it depends on how many children you have. A husband & wife can't claim seperately.

MY wife earns 12,500 a year and we get 133.00 a month family allowance (what every parent will get with 2 kids regardless of income)at the moment and 10.54 working/family tax credits a week (lowest amount they pay out )no free school dinners or any other kind of help

That's very similar to us.

bigwazza wrote:MY wife earns 12,500 a year and we get 133.00 a month family allowance (what every parent will get with 2 kids regardless of income)at the moment and 10.54 working/family tax credits a week (lowest amount they pay out )no free school dinners or any other kind of help

I don't understand how wft can say that £133 pm helps people on low income out that much, do these people not know the cost of basic living? it would cost you that using public transport to get to work everyday or more in a car. Putting food on the table, a family of 4 could easily use that, a small shop can cost upward of that. And then wonder why there is such a high rate of depression among the uk public

bigwazza wrote:yes and as iv pointed out before your husband will have been told by a NURSE with no extra knowledge of your husbands condition that he fit for work even if you go to apeal you will go before a GP and dont matter what consultant letters you take outlining why you are unfit for work it will be upheld that you can work anyway
there criteria is if you can pick up a pint of milk and talk on the phone for 30 seconds and walk 50yards unaided you can work

That is ridiculous and yet someone posted in an other post the other day that a alcoholic can claim for drink, how true that is i don't know but the mind does boggle. How do the gov who are all detached from society snobs on at least £130.000 per year and own business's decide what we need? who is capable of deciding what we need? and normal people suffer

At the moment I think the government will pay childcare so you can work for 1.5 of your children.
Just out of interest has anyone made the difficult decision on which kid to cut in half?