Do you agree with Ceasar Millan's training methods?

I used to love this man but ever since I watched this footage my mind has completely changed. How many of you agree/disagree with him and why?

https://www.youtube.com/v/KuinToBgUco

short answer is NO i cant stand the fool

I love all the training video's he does that involes him getting bitten but if i was walking down the street and saw someone following his kicking methods i would tell them its wrong and someone better be ready to kick me

bigwazza wrote:short answer is NO i cant stand the fool

Im glad some people agree with me! lol has anyone seen the article on the mail online.
So many people agreeing with him and reporting anyone who disagrees Ive had loads of comments removed! Ridiculous!http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2222724/Titchmarsh-savages-dog-trainer-caused-TV-outcry-unconventional-techniques-rehabilitate-ill-disciplined-dogs.html

dave742 wrote:I love all the training video's he does that involes him getting bitten but if i was walking down the street and saw someone following his kicking methods i would tell them its wrong and someone better be ready to kick me

Same here!!

Can't stand him.

Caryll wrote:Can't stand him.

How the hell can booting dogs help them?!?!

Horrid little man he is

In answer to your question, NO I cant stand him either he makes me want to

no i dont agree with him. his methods work yes, but because he bullies the dogs. we are not a dog, so can not assume the "alpha" role. yes, we can tell our dogs how we expect them to behave, but it works better with mutual training rather than fear.

I don't doubt that he loves dogs & has a certain 'affinity' with them, but his methods are outdated & often cruel. He isn't open about his methods, either, which I find totally reprehensible. If he feels his nethods are right, he should be prepared to be open about them & back them up with facts.

NO NO NO!!! Can't stand the him.. Stupid, cruel and pointless.. The worst thing is he is making MILLIONS! I hope his pack turns on him and puts him back below the red line

Couldn't agree more!

Glad we are all of a like mind!

Caryll wrote:I don't doubt that he loves dogs & has a certain 'affinity' with them, but his methods are outdated & often cruel. He isn't open about his methods, either, which I find totally reprehensible. If he feels his nethods are right, he should be prepared to be open about them & back them up with facts.

I dont think he can back them up Caryl, he is an uneducated *.. He just has the knack with dogs and the worst thing is if he would actually stop trying to be the "pack leader" and learnt from some more knowledgable dog trainers and behavourists, he would be an absolutely amazing trainer and handler..

Kat75 wrote:NO NO NO!!! Can't stand the him.. Stupid, cruel and pointless.. The worst thing is he is making MILLIONS! I hope his pack turns on him and puts him back below the red line

The question is if his pack turned on him and went for his neck or his soft belly under his ribs, would he still be saying it works to shock the brain? no he would be screaming dangerous dog when its his methods that can totally push a dog over that edge,but thats just my opinion. I think he is as fake as his teeth

dave742 wrote:

Kat75 wrote:NO NO NO!!! Can't stand the him.. Stupid, cruel and pointless.. The worst thing is he is making MILLIONS! I hope his pack turns on him and puts him back below the red line

The question is if his pack turned on him and went for his neck or his soft belly under his ribs, would he still be saying it works to shock the brain? no he would be screaming dangerous dog when its his methods that can totally push a dog over that edge,but thats just my opinion. I think he is as fake as his teeth

I've just posted about him in the news section. I had never watched him until seeing a video on the forum - that totally stunned me. He is much too physical with dogs, his whole focus on them 'submitting' is bordering on the insane.

There will always be mixed opinions on this chap, and those who have had success but my concern is you may be able to force a dog to do what you want it to, but surely that doesn't make the methods right? I want my dog to respect me, not fear me. Respect and love will always work better in my opinion. Dogs have a huge sense of what is fair and what is not.

miss_yell wrote:

dave742 wrote:

Kat75 wrote:NO NO NO!!! Can't stand the him.. Stupid, cruel and pointless.. The worst thing is he is making MILLIONS! I hope his pack turns on him and puts him back below the red line

The question is if his pack turned on him and went for his neck or his soft belly under his ribs, would he still be saying it works to shock the brain? no he would be screaming dangerous dog when its his methods that can totally push a dog over that edge,but thats just my opinion. I think he is as fake as his teeth

Well said!! I agree he is walking a thin dangerous line..

PygmyParrot wrote:I've just posted about him in the news section. I had never watched him until seeing a video on the forum - that totally stunned me. He is much too physical with dogs, his whole focus on them 'submitting' is bordering on the insane.

I accidently stumbled upon on of his shows as I was channel surfing, and only caught my eye because he has same great looking dogs, started watching and just got hooked on watching a few eps as I just kept thinking "This ones gonna bite him"

There will always be mixed opinions on this chap, and those who have had success but my concern is you may be able to force a dog to do what you want it to, but surely that doesn't make the methods right? I want my dog to respect me, not fear me. Respect and love will always work better in my opinion. Dogs have a huge sense of what is fair and what is not.

Dogs do need love and respect, but they do need firm, dominant training too.. I don't disagree with the end result just his methods.

Kat75 wrote:Dogs do need love and respect, but they do need firm, dominant training too.. I don't disagree with the end result just his methods.

It depends on what you mean by 'dominant' training?

Caryll wrote:

Kat75 wrote:Dogs do need love and respect, but they do need firm, dominant training too.. I don't disagree with the end result just his methods.

It depends on what you mean by 'dominant' training?

I guess wrongly worded.. I mean they need to know that your in charge, your the boss.. Maybe strict training would have read better.. Strong, consistent, not abusive in any way physical or mentally I can't stand his stare down methods

No I agree, but I would be no more dominant with Dexter than I would with my children. A firm no and a timeout. Those stare downs are awful aren't they.

I really don't agree with any training methods that involve animals been hit or touched in anyway I don't agree with any animal being hit its morally wrong . I just don't agree with handles full stop as I had taken koyah to a dog trainer and I regret as he man handled her and she ended up hurt and at the vets so wrong .

Lizanne x

Koyah.16 wrote:I really don't agree with any training methods that involve animals been hit or touched in anyway I don't agree with any animal being hit its morally wrong . I just don't agree with handles full stop as I had taken koyah to a dog trainer and I regret as he man handled her and she ended up hurt and at the vets so wrong .

Lizanne x

This sounds awful

I have only ever had 3 dogs in my life,a cross breed (100 choices of breed lol) a bc and now Cassie so i am no expert but i think that to respect your pet breeds respect,i have never kicked my children but they do as their told (not as often as cassie does lol)there is no place for kicking,punching or holding a dogs face down to the ground,love, patience and cuddles works and withdraw the cuddles as punishment, they learn too quickly for physical treatment and deserve better.

Also just commented on this on another post. As said previously I would never use his methods on my own dogs and think that he is far too physical in his training. I agree with his basic theories of exercise, discipline and affection but that's all.

However, I will say that some of the "pure positive" trainers/behaviourists that are making these hate groups against Millan, I have met and watched working and they would not stand it if they were handed anything more than a pet labrador or a spaniel to work with. If I put them into a kennel with one of my ex fighting dogs they would run for the hills screaming with their treat bags and clickers and sentence them to death. I use food for training a lot, but with some dogs you do have to use different methods.

As far as I'm concerned, if the outcome is a well balanced, confident, happy dog it doesn't matter how you train to get to that point, as long as you're not hurting the animal in the mean time.

His methods are right, but he should be kicking the stupid owners, not the dogs.

Koyah.16 wrote:I really don't agree with any training methods that involve animals been hit or touched in anyway I don't agree with any animal being hit its morally wrong . I just don't agree with handles full stop as I had taken koyah to a dog trainer and I regret as he man handled her and she ended up hurt and at the vets so wrong .

Lizanne x

Who hurt my angel Koyah??!!

I'll show him man handling

Rachel33 wrote:Also just commented on this on another post. As said previously I would never use his methods on my own dogs and think that he is far too physical in his training. I agree with his basic theories of exercise, discipline and affection but that's all.

However, I will say that some of the "pure positive" trainers/behaviourists that are making these hate groups against Millan, I have met and watched working and they would not stand it if they were handed anything more than a pet labrador or a spaniel to work with. If I put them into a kennel with one of my ex fighting dogs they would run for the hills screaming with their treat bags and clickers and sentence them to death. I use food for training a lot, but with some dogs you do have to use different methods.

As far as I'm concerned, if the outcome is a well balanced, confident, happy dog it doesn't matter how you train to get to that point, as long as you're not hurting the animal in the mean time.

Ex fighting dogs?

I'll just say no, but for many reasons

miss_yell wrote:

Rachel33 wrote:Also just commented on this on another post. As said previously I would never use his methods on my own dogs and think that he is far too physical in his training. I agree with his basic theories of exercise, discipline and affection but that's all.

However, I will say that some of the "pure positive" trainers/behaviourists that are making these hate groups against Millan, I have met and watched working and they would not stand it if they were handed anything more than a pet labrador or a spaniel to work with. If I put them into a kennel with one of my ex fighting dogs they would run for the hills screaming with their treat bags and clickers and sentence them to death. I use food for training a lot, but with some dogs you do have to use different methods.

As far as I'm concerned, if the outcome is a well balanced, confident, happy dog it doesn't matter how you train to get to that point, as long as you're not hurting the animal in the mean time.

Ex fighting dogs?

Chance is an ex fighting dog, and has been very rough treated and is consequently very people aggressive, but can you blame him?

If i were to try and use CM methods, i may be able to get away with without a bite, could anyone else? never in a million years.

ella wrote:

miss_yell wrote:

Rachel33 wrote:Also just commented on this on another post. As said previously I would never use his methods on my own dogs and think that he is far too physical in his training. I agree with his basic theories of exercise, discipline and affection but that's all.

However, I will say that some of the "pure positive" trainers/behaviourists that are making these hate groups against Millan, I have met and watched working and they would not stand it if they were handed anything more than a pet labrador or a spaniel to work with. If I put them into a kennel with one of my ex fighting dogs they would run for the hills screaming with their treat bags and clickers and sentence them to death. I use food for training a lot, but with some dogs you do have to use different methods.

As far as I'm concerned, if the outcome is a well balanced, confident, happy dog it doesn't matter how you train to get to that point, as long as you're not hurting the animal in the mean time.

Ex fighting dogs?

Chance is an ex fighting dog, and has been very rough treated and is consequently very people aggressive, but can you blame him?

If i were to try and use CM methods, i may be able to get away with without a bite, could anyone else? never in a million years.

Aww poor chance Glad he's loved now though!
CM is just creating accidents waiting to happen

ella wrote:

miss_yell wrote:

Rachel33 wrote:Also just commented on this on another post. As said previously I would never use his methods on my own dogs and think that he is far too physical in his training. I agree with his basic theories of exercise, discipline and affection but that's all.

However, I will say that some of the "pure positive" trainers/behaviourists that are making these hate groups against Millan, I have met and watched working and they would not stand it if they were handed anything more than a pet labrador or a spaniel to work with. If I put them into a kennel with one of my ex fighting dogs they would run for the hills screaming with their treat bags and clickers and sentence them to death. I use food for training a lot, but with some dogs you do have to use different methods.

As far as I'm concerned, if the outcome is a well balanced, confident, happy dog it doesn't matter how you train to get to that point, as long as you're not hurting the animal in the mean time.

Ex fighting dogs?

Chance is an ex fighting dog, and has been very rough treated and is consequently very people aggressive, but can you blame him?

If i were to try and use CM methods, i may be able to get away with without a bite, could anyone else? never in a million years.

Nope don't blame him at all! You know that Biscuit is also people aggressive, and I would never ever use Cesar Millans methods with her or any other dogs that I work with. All I was getting at is that training is never a one size fits all, and a lot of the hype around is that trainers want everything to be "pure positive" but I really do not believe that this works with all dogs. Was just using fighting dogs as an example, because if I went into a kennel with one of my lot when they first came in shaking a bag of treats at them they would have eaten me alive!

miss_yell wrote:

ella wrote:

miss_yell wrote:

Rachel33 wrote:Also just commented on this on another post. As said previously I would never use his methods on my own dogs and think that he is far too physical in his training. I agree with his basic theories of exercise, discipline and affection but that's all.

However, I will say that some of the "pure positive" trainers/behaviourists that are making these hate groups against Millan, I have met and watched working and they would not stand it if they were handed anything more than a pet labrador or a spaniel to work with. If I put them into a kennel with one of my ex fighting dogs they would run for the hills screaming with their treat bags and clickers and sentence them to death. I use food for training a lot, but with some dogs you do have to use different methods.

As far as I'm concerned, if the outcome is a well balanced, confident, happy dog it doesn't matter how you train to get to that point, as long as you're not hurting the animal in the mean time.

Ex fighting dogs?

Chance is an ex fighting dog, and has been very rough treated and is consequently very people aggressive, but can you blame him?

If i were to try and use CM methods, i may be able to get away with without a bite, could anyone else? never in a million years.

Aww poor chance Glad he's loved now though!
CM is just creating accidents waiting to happen

thanks

I think too many people copy him, and to many accidents have already happened.

Rachel33 wrote:

ella wrote:

miss_yell wrote:

Rachel33 wrote:Also just commented on this on another post. As said previously I would never use his methods on my own dogs and think that he is far too physical in his training. I agree with his basic theories of exercise, discipline and affection but that's all.

However, I will say that some of the "pure positive" trainers/behaviourists that are making these hate groups against Millan, I have met and watched working and they would not stand it if they were handed anything more than a pet labrador or a spaniel to work with. If I put them into a kennel with one of my ex fighting dogs they would run for the hills screaming with their treat bags and clickers and sentence them to death. I use food for training a lot, but with some dogs you do have to use different methods.

As far as I'm concerned, if the outcome is a well balanced, confident, happy dog it doesn't matter how you train to get to that point, as long as you're not hurting the animal in the mean time.

Ex fighting dogs?

Chance is an ex fighting dog, and has been very rough treated and is consequently very people aggressive, but can you blame him?

If i were to try and use CM methods, i may be able to get away with without a bite, could anyone else? never in a million years.

Nope don't blame him at all! You know that Biscuit is also people aggressive, and I would never ever use Cesar Millans methods with her or any other dogs that I work with. All I was getting at is that training is never a one size fits all, and a lot of the hype around is that trainers want everything to be "pure positive" but I really do not believe that this works with all dogs. Was just using fighting dogs as an example, because if I went into a kennel with one of my lot when they first came in shaking a bag of treats at them they would have eaten me alive!

I was just using chance as an example hun, I know it's not a one size fits all definitely not, but still don't agree with his methods though

Ooooh okay haha! Nah me either.. scary how many people do though huh!

sure is scary

Rachel33 wrote:
As far as I'm concerned, if the outcome is a well balanced, confident, happy dog it doesn't matter how you train to get to that point, as long as you're not hurting the animal in the mean time.

But there you have it "as long as you're not hurting the animal". It's my opinion that his methods not only physically hurt dogs, but mentally hurt them as well.

No, I totally agree, he turns his dogs into robots. I've just also had negative experiences with the positive brigade of trainers. I've found that they feel that their way is the only way, and it would be better to have a dog destroyed than try other methods if theirs aren't working. Methods that would not be in any way detrimental to a dogs well being, but not their usual way of working. That's just my two cents though, and only from personal experience, not fact.

I'm a great believer in positive reinforcement, but you can't train with that alone. You need negative reinforcement as well - not negative punishment!

His training methods are cruel, nothing more to be said by me.

Anne

Completely agree Caryll

Hes not that bad, his general methods are okay but for targeted problems i find he lacks. But..he earns alot of money training dogs and i dont.

I've only ever watched little bits of the Dog Whisperer, so am not really qualified to comment, but surely kicking dogs in the abdomen is WRONG WRONG WRONG. Haven't watched the Titchmarsh programme yesterday either (I hardly ever watch TV) but have heard about it, good for you Titchy.

dave742 wrote:I have only ever had 3 dogs in my life,a cross breed (100 choices of breed lol) a bc and now Cassie so i am no expert but i think that to respect your pet breeds respect,i have never kicked my children but they do as their told (not as often as cassie does lol)there is no place for kicking,punching or holding a dogs face down to the ground,love, patience and cuddles works and withdraw the cuddles as punishment, they learn too quickly for physical treatment and deserve better.

Yep that's like me I still have my training wheels on when it comes to dogs, I would be lost without the forum That's why we r here, to learn from people who have more experience than us..

I used to believe in that pack leader stuff, but I don't think I do now. There's a woman whose site I follow, and she trained her Boxer and APBT using the same idea that dogs need a pack leader and you need to be assertive, but she never used shock collars, never kicked the dog, etc. She just used tone and body language to show she was in charge. And it worked, her dogs are incredibly well-behaved and loving and happy. So I don't believe in his harsh methods, but I do believe that he is trying to help dogs and isn't doing it to be cruel. And I also think that the thing he tries to tell owners about not treating their dog as a human and to put their dog needs first is good. Just don't like the harshness of some of his ways of dealing with things.

Also, I think there are plenty of different ways of training dogs, so different methods work for different owners (and it would depend on the individual dog). I mean, mums will get a bit physical with their puppies if they step out of line, won't they? So I get trainers like him trying to re-create how it is in the dog world, but I reckon the vast majority of being "told off" in the dog world is about tone and body language, so even if you believe in having to be the dominant pack leader, you can do so without hurting your dog (physically or mentally).

There is a guy in my local park with a staffy aggressive staffy who uses CM's "techniques" badly, they never work on his dog or on mine when he tried and that is just a pure example of how CM's "advice" could get ppl in trouble as this guy seems pretty clueless - even to me.

never paid any attention to them other than seeing a couple of videos on here and thinking in summary "idiot"

Caryll wrote:I'm a great believer in positive reinforcement, but you can't train with that alone. You need negative reinforcement as well - not negative punishment!

That's a great way to say it I like that one.

im going to say... i love the guy. ok his methods are a little ruough, But i dont think in the seasons ive watched that ive actually seen one dog yelp/scream in pain,? (am i wrong)? also IF he was Such an awful trainer, why has he managed 9 series? and in them 9 series i dont think he failed to fix ONE case.. i say think, as i havent yet completed watching all series. BUT if someone can come accross a video where a dog yelps from his 'touch; method. i'll happily agree that he is causing them harm.