I just found out there's no such thing as an English staffy

I am part of a Staffy page of fb and there is a discussion asking people if they prefer American or English staffies and this is what someone called Julie English just posted There is no such thing as an English staffy. I posted Oh really funny that my dogs Vet must not know anything then.

Bugger me i thought there were English staffies, now i know there's not.

Janey wrote:Not very good at geagraphy............sorry

Me either but even i know Stafforshire is in England, guess i shoud just say staffordshire from now on lol.

I think I no the site your on about some people think they no everything and no nothing

their is only one sbt.....

Well, there's only 1 staffordshire bull terrier, originating from England. The american staffs, however, do seem to be a bit dofferent to the ones in the UK, but I think sometimes it's just how they're presented for the show ring. American show people love to trim every last stray hair from their staffs, whereas here (unless it has changed over the last few years) we only really trim the tail.

You could say, in fact, that all staffies, the world over, are English Staffies!

They could have been referring to the whether people prefer Staffordshire Bull Terriers or American Staffordshire Terriers. Two different breeds although closely related.

No way!! ALL those things I've ever read are all wrong! Who would have thought it!!

Stevie B what things have you read that are wrong?

thats just crazy where do they think staffordshire is?? staffys aint nothing but all english!!

I was takin the pee!! They can come from nowhere else but England!! They are called the STAFFORDSHIRE bull terrier!!

I know what your saying JayKay but the Amercian Staffordshire Terrier is the Show equivilent of the American Pitbull Terrier (whole new topic). The APBT isn't recognised by the American Kennel Club but the AmStaff is. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is also recognised by the AKC but they are considered two different breeds. Very similar but the Amstaff is a bigger than the average Staffie.

The reference to Staffordshire in the AmStaffs name is made as a reference/tribute the part of England that is widely associated with the dogmen of the past and many famous dogs despite the fact that the dogs were all over the UK Staffordshire is a special place for the original Pit dogs of which Staffordshire Bull Terriers and American Staffordshire Terrier share their ancestory.

Steve posted a good video showing the differences between the two breed:



And as Scott said there is only one Staffordshire BULL Terrier.http://staffy-bull-terrier.niceboard.com/t272-differences-between-staffordshire-bull-terrier-and-american-staffordshire-terriers

I hear you Stevie B and understand what you mean but there is a separate breed calle American Staffordshire Terrier (with no Bull between Staffordshire and Terrier). It is recognised by the AKC and many other kennel clubs just not here. The main reason for that is that in the UK it is considered the show equivilent of the APBT so it's a no go here with BSL.

I posted above why I think the Americans have Staffordshire in the name. They were once the same breed but as you'd expect the Americans go for bigger is better lol. But we know that's not true

yeh im with you there mate,but our staffy is english right??

i think im right as to theres actually no KC recognized Irish Staffies either

It certainly is and the original.

Mark B your right - but that's a whole new thread lol

lets just say we have the original then!!

I didn't think there was such thing as an 'American Staffordshire Terrier'! I was always under the impression this was another name for the Pit Bull Terrier

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staffordshire_Bull_Terrier


that explians the origins and other breeds such as the american staffordshire terrier hope this helps

scroll down to history it explians how the term bull terrier comes from the fact the dogs were bread to attack bulls to tenderise the meat! also that staffords where imported to the states ..............interesting stuff

markeB wrote:i think im right as to theres actually no KC recognized Irish Staffies either

i`ve been asked a few times is blue an irish staff because of his size........if you contact a breeeder selling irish staffs,more often that not they`ll be pitbulls

They'll either be pits or one of several breeders in ireland who say they are breeding the staff back to its original shape & fitness. There's some dispute about that, though!

Caryll wrote:They'll either be pits or one of several breeders in ireland who say they are breeding the staff back to its original shape & fitness. There's some dispute about that, though!

I think that's spot on - the only thing i'd add is that some/quite a few of the Irish lines also have some Bull Terrier Blood in them as they were bred to working ability rather than show - therefore pedigrees and conformation to a breed standard weren't high on the list of priorities. Breeding for work rather than show goes back to the fundementals of what Caryll was saying about breeding a original bull and terrier.

On another forum I use (a bully one) there's a guy who has a so-called 'original' type (staffordshire) bull terrier. I put the staffordshire bit in brackets cause the dog doesn't look like either!

It's a rangy, almost whipetty looking dog. Very fit & obviously agile, but nothing at all like either the original bull & terriers or the likes of Gentleman Jim, Crib or Rosa. He says that his dog is the true bull & terrier & nothing else will do.

It's all a matter of opinion.

Any pics??

He & I don't see eye to eye on a few things (well, most things, actually!), but if I can get a pic I will.

Here's a couple of pics of so-called old tyme bull & terriers.

i can assure you that my staffy's are scottish born and bread , lmao although through grandparents they could play for england and ireland

niff wrote:i can assure you that my staffy's are scottish born and bread , lmao although through grandparents they could play for england and ireland

the black/brindle dog above just looks like a lurcher to me ,

niff wrote:i can assure you that my staffy's are scottish born and bread , lmao although through grandparents they could play for england and ireland

if they`ve drank a glass of guinness they can play for ireland lol

pmsl dakota prefers so sneek a lick of the vody and coke sneeky lil russian

niff wrote:the black/brindle dog above just looks like a lurcher to me ,

i agree niff looking at the pic it looks like a pikey holding him to so my guess would be breed for a diff reason if you know what i mean

Agree to me they both look like gorgeous cross breeds! x