A Staff x American bulldog ???

Iv seen a few of these crosses poping up on tinternet and some times at very very steep prices,and in most casses they say 'rare' 'desirable' 'both parents pedigree'.Is this the new 'IN' dog,i have never seen a fully grown cross so i dont really now what there trying to accomplish, a more bully staff ? a more athletic bulldog ?

If any one breeds these or can give me a bit info it would be much appreciated im really curiouse also pictures off a fullygrown dog would be good

a staffy x american styaffy = a pitbull type

they worth nothing & if you invest in one you just asking for trouble.

Messing with different breeds is not good in my opinion never beleive what you are told a good breeder would never do that with so called pedigree dogs
Cross breed worth nothing invest your money in a dog with excellant blood lines from quality health tested parents

They wernt x with asbt but johnson type bulldogs iv seen them advertised for between £100-800

And im not looking to buy one just curiouse,Daves enough for me at the minute allthough a blue bitch joining the family isnt entierly off the cards Iv been dropping hints to the other half.

And iv deffinetly invested my money wisely gem daves got twenty odd champions in his 5 generations and 34 between his parents
Thats just reminded me ill put up his 5 gen when i collect it from my mams house.

you have to be careful with any cross breeds becasue you never be able to prove what it is and if it look like Pit Bull Terrier, Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino or Fila Braziliero vit would be class as a "type" it won't matter if the dog mum or dad was staffy or amercain bulldog

Sounds like a good ped your dave has there
Good luck in your search for your new addition when you can persuade your oh

Double_G wrote:They wernt x with asbt but johnson type bulldogs iv seen them advertised for between £100-800

And im not looking to buy one just curiouse,Daves enough for me at the minute allthough a blue bitch joining the family isnt entierly off the cards Iv been dropping hints to the other half.

And iv deffinetly invested my money wisely gem daves got twenty odd champions in his 5 generations and 34 between his parents
Thats just reminded me ill put up his 5 gen when i collect it from my mams house.

i would go with a black girl if you think of breeding IMO you should never breed 2 blue together

Iv been looking for a solid black staff since before i got dave (abit shallow i no lol) but stll havnt found one from the right lines,there was one breeder who had a solid black but was keeping it for her friend i offerd to double the price but she turned me down,god loves a tryer haha

Awww what lines are you looking for if im being noisey just say?
If you were to think of breeding Dave a solid black would strenthen the colours Im biased I love black but even so conformation comes first for me

I dont really no gem all the solid black pups iv seen the parents have been really bully types,like 14 inches to the shoulder MASSIVE head thats not what im looking for,like you say conformation comes first haha

http://staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/standardataglance.html

Are you trying to point out that 14 inches to the shoulders does conform to the breed standard steve

14" is within the breed standard - between 14" & 16" to be precise!

This is a fully grown staffy x ambull who we are hoping to get from the rescue
http://www.jerrygreendogs.org.uk/RehomeADog/ShowDog/Blidworth/2011-07-03/chance

Yea but it also says the hight is related to weight and it seems a trend with the dogs iv seen that they were small and really stocky,and that doesnt meet the standard,unless im just over picky but iv got a certain picture in my head of how a staff should look and i dont want to compromise on that,i also think dogs around the 16 inch tend to look better prepotioned,just my opinion.

Ella strong powerful looking dog good luck in the rescue
I like the top end of the standard too and I know what you mean the balance is hard to find in a 14 inch stafford

Thanks he's reserved for us pending home checks and more meetings with Harvey

He's a big solid dog allright,hopefully every thing go's allright and you can have a new addition to the family.

It looks like the other half has come around to the idea of getting a bitch gem were looking for a new place,and iv got the ok once we move,i think she wanted another dog just as much as me

There is no reputable breeder that will intentionally breed crosses. Anyone that does that is automatically not reputable, IMHO. I would NEVER pay for a mix breed dog from a breeder because that is encouraging them to continue their unethical practices. Shelters are littered (no pun intended) with cross breeds any way, so there is no need to purchase one!

If you are planning to breed your boy, I would also try to avoid doing so with an other blue dog. Breeding two dilutes can cause a whole host of genetic problems like skin allergies/sensitivities. It doesn't always, but why take the chance? Good luck finding the perfect companion for him!

if your looking for a nice girl to breed with your blue boy, how about a red? Theres very few breeders breeding reds right now (i know i know you shouldn't breed for colour!) the litter would probably throw out a nice mix of colours though. I agree with what you say about a lot of blacks being very short and bully type.

there plenty of good black staffies around it how you go about buying them not doing any research or just rushing you going end up with a poor looking staffie.

shakespearesdog wrote:if your looking for a nice girl to breed with your blue boy, how about a red? Theres very few breeders breeding reds right now (i know i know you shouldn't breed for colour!) the litter would probably throw out a nice mix of colours though. I agree with what you say about a lot of blacks being very short and bully type.

Breeding Red & Blue you just going end up with brindles you be lucky to get a blue out of the litter. Blue anmials came from black & black brindle anmials so really you need to breed your blue dog with a black dog to keep the lines healthy.

Also if i decide to breed staffy i would always think about health before anything else because poor breeding by owners thats only see £££ sign is the main reason we have health issues in the bred!

KC breeder and all so Back yard breeders

Steve wrote:Also if i decide to breed staffy i would always think about health before anything else because poor breeding by owners thats only see £££ sign is the main reason we have health issues in the bred!

KC breeder and all so Back yard breeders

and its not just health reasons, its also why there are so many in rescue shelters

Double_G wrote:Yea but it also says the hight is related to weight and it seems a trend with the dogs iv seen that they were small and really stocky,and that doesnt meet the standard,unless im just over picky but iv got a certain picture in my head of how a staff should look and i dont want to compromise on that,i also think dogs around the 16 inch tend to look better prepotioned,just my opinion.

Going round the show circuit I would say that even the 14" staffs (mainly females) were very much 'in proportion' - not squat & 'clumpy' looking. The males, obviously, are taller & bulkier.

A 14" male probably wouldn't do as well in the show ring as a 15" or 16" male, and a 16" female wouldn't do as well as a 14" or 15" female.

Im definetly not rushing into buying another dog iv been not as much looking but keeping an eye out for a solid black for over 18 months,and said to myself if a well bread one turned up id buy him or her,now iv got dave im obviousely keeping an eye out for a bitch im not in any hurry,as for breeding just to make money or adding to the rescue population these dont apply to me,i dont 'need' to make money from my dogs and the pups would more than likely go to experianced friends and family who have allready showed interest.

Were are you looking ? reaserch is the key and of course your approach to the breeder . My good freind bred my boy when she knew she had good homes for the pups and im more than happy with him hes a dream come true
Its possible to find a good quality pure black bitch with excellent lines if you are looking in the right places

If it's any help, the breeders I'm getting beau from have 2 boys left, Crashkon Meets crossguns? (didn't know If I was aloud to say that :/)

Could you pm me some pics please and any information on there lines ?

I don't know how to pm? Xx

why do you need to pm for?

Steve wrote:why do you need to pm for?

Double_G asked me to pm him the details, I dunno how Steve? Xxx

just talk about it here you not breaking any rules

Ok, I can email you some pics Double_G what's you email address?
She is in bedhampton which is near Portsmouth sire is Danish blue prince and damis Hermionies secret spell, I can email you pics of them too if you want, boys are black with a bit of White x £100 deposit and £400 upon pick up, due to leave 5th OCT xxx

I found one link on google, are these the pups?
http://www.k9puppy.co.uk/PuppiesforSale/staffordshire-bull-terrier-22462.aspx
CRASHKON MEETS CROSSGUNS.... We have 2 boys left out of our fabulous litter of Staffordshire bull terriers. They are KC Reg, and hereditary L2hga and Hc clear. they were born on 17th August and will be ready for collection the begining of October 2011. Dam to pups is from crossgun lines, and sire is from crashkon lines. These pups carry the blue gene. This is a repeat litter as the last have turned out brilliant and are doing well in the show world. International buyers are welcome we have shipped to Norway and France before. Pics of previous litter are available on request to see how the pups will turn out. We are taking £100 deposit to secure your chosen pup and the remainding £400 is payable on collection. pups will come with a puppy pack which will consist of some food they have been weaned on, blanket that smells of mum and the relevent paperwork kc papers and the free insurance

Yeah!!!!!!!! That's them!!!!!!!
Silly cow!!!!!!

I know we aren't allowed to post up email addresses, but I think we can post up links to breeders and such. Just saving you from getting a post deleted or edited for containing an email! Better my post get deleted for having a breeder's link!

I want one lol!!

a cute black and white puppy I mean just like our old boy

All these people seem to be breeding out the terrier and reinforcing the bully. shame really their called staffordshire bull TERRIERS for a darn good reason.

MissRogue wrote:All these people seem to be breeding out the terrier and reinforcing the bully. shame really their called staffordshire bull TERRIERS for a darn good reason.

MissRogue wrote:All these people seem to be breeding out the terrier and reinforcing the bully. shame really their called staffordshire bull TERRIERS for a darn good reason.

The same is happening to American Pit Bull Terriers and American Staffordshire Terriers in the US. Especially with BYBs. It's sad, really.

MissRogue wrote:All these people seem to be breeding out the terrier and reinforcing the bully. shame really their called staffordshire bull TERRIERS for a darn good reason.

ladies what does the 'old' SBT look like please?

There is no 'old' SBT. We are referring to the fact that a lot of breeders are breeding away from the standard:
http://staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/standardataglance.html
http://staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/kennelclubbreedstandard.html

And breeding overly massive or more "bully" type Staffords.

MissRogue wrote:All these people seem to be breeding out the terrier and reinforcing the bully. shame really their called staffordshire bull TERRIERS for a darn good reason.

Is this aimed at the breeders I'm getting Beau from? Xxx
Don't know if I'm speaking out of turn but.......
Beau's breeders Have really strong views on breeding (if it's aimed at them) im sure they may disagree. Some of their previous pups are in the show world in France and Norway and are doing really well.......
Sorry if i have misunderstood xxxxxxx

I don't think any specific breeder was intended - just that some breeders seem to be trying to change the breed for their own reasons.

The Staff is supposed to be a blend of Bull & Terrier, so anything too extreme either way just isn't a staff!

Caryll wrote:I don't think any specific breeder was intended

Thanks Caryll xxxxx duh!!

I think it was more towards the first topic, where it asked if breeding Staffs to ABDs was intended to make a more "Bully" Staff.

I am so eager for our boy to grow up, I just can't wait see how he will turn out! Because he's from rescue we have no parentage or history on him other than where he was found and he was so young he was aged by his puppy teeth. I mean I don't care how he turns out, he's 110% loved but ykwim!!