Kinks87 dogs fighting

Hi, I also have a staffy who fights with my boyfriends two lurchers (all male dogs). But it's always my staffy that iniates it! I think the sole reason for this is because the two lurchers are in kennels but he's in the house so thinks he's top dog (albeit he is the newest addition)!! He's 20months now, would neautering him make any difference now? Thanks, Keira

Hiya, i've created a new topic for you, so that you will get more replies. Are they all entire males? Do they usually only meet when on walks, or in the house too?

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I've not experience with this but if you can answer Rachel's questions she may be able to offer some advise.

No experience here either sorry, sure Rach will be able to help though   

In my experience neutering does calm a dog down.

Are you sure they are actually fighting and it is not just rough play?

Both breeds are working dogs and have lots of energy.

Thanks for your replies. Unfortunately we have had to have Clyde, our Staffy, put to sleep after he attacked both myself and my partner two nights a go. It's a great shame and I am utterly gutted. He was a great character who loved fuss and cuddles and I am still trying to get my head around it all. Thanks again

Oh god that's awful! I'm so sorry, I hope you're both okay?! What happened?! If you don't mind me asking.. X

We will be, the bites aren't that bad, mainly bruising and the odd tooth mark, the shock is worse.

It was completely unprovoked which is what makes it worse, Clyde was sitting on the bed and as I went to walk past my partner to leave the room he lunged off the bed, teeth bearing and bit my leg. He bit me twice before I managed to move out of the way at which point he went for my boyfriend. I managed to grab his collar and pull him off but as soon as my boyfriend was out of reach he turned again to try and get me! With me holding his collar tight and at arms length he didn't manage to reach me again, and luckily two of the bitches in the house have crates so he was quickly put in there.

We left him to try and calm down but each time my boyfriend walked past the crate he growled at him.

One of the bitches is actually coming in to sesson (about a week now) and he'd become very protective of me; didn't like other people near me, especially my partner and it makes me wonder if this is perhaps why? x

Oh no, how sad

I can imagine, you just would never imagine that from your own pet. Could have been for a thousand reasons really.. Without knowing the background I couldn't really comment! I assume he came from well tempered/bred parents and had positive socialisation growing up? He had never done anything like this before? X

So sorry to hear your sad news.

So sorry to hear that, that's awful! It sounds, if all else was normal, that he could have been reacting to her coming into season.

I feel for you as at the moment our boy is very unpredictable but he is 2 and has been like that for a while due to previous well wouldn't call them owners
So I understand the anguish you must have felt making that decision we for the moment however are managing my boy

Sorry to hear that RIP Clyde.

Thank you all for your kind messages.

As far as we are aware he had never done anything like that before, however, we only gave him a new home back in September, at just 14 months. It was someone my boyfriend used to work with that we had Clyde from.... for free, which in hyndsight makes me wonder.... Who would you give away a KC registered staff?!

He came with certificates from puppy parties for socialisation and play etc. so all seems strange.

It will be hard to get over but I know it was for the best. I'm just glad it was us he attacked as opposed to someone else or even a child!! x

My thoughts are with you and your family, so, so sorry.

so he was only 5 months old when you got him then?

how many times did you walk him per day?

remember dogs aren't born nasty it's how they are been bought up

So he was 14 months when you had him and you've had him 5-6 months?

I would think as a hormone controlled teenager, having a bitch coming into season (who will likely be on edge herself) could have something to do with it? What kind of training have you done with him, is he comfortable with you holding him by he collar or do you only do it when he is worked up?

Can I ask why you had him put to sleep? No judgement but if it was a first time thing and you have reasons why he could be out of sorts/already considered neutering etc!

Yes 14months. His behavior was becoming progressively worse. He had three fights with two other dogs, all initiated by him. Over the last 4/6weeks he had also become more aggressive towards our friends, growling when they came in our house, and towards my partner.

I couldn't fault his behaviour when we got him but the dog we had put down wasn't the dog we first got.

It was only after consulting with the vets and discussed his behaviour and change in temprement that we had him put down. It was not a decision I took lightly at all. Also after further consultations and research on the web and in to his family tree, that his deteriorating could have been due to a brain tumor.

Yes he was also comfortable being held by his collar. He also loved trying to jump in to your arms for cuddles, great at recall and following instructions; sit, stay (he was still learning 'paw').

Steve, Clyde was very well loved and looked after and was cared for better than most dogs, therefore was not bought up to be nasty or aggressive!! However, as I said previously, we were given him for nothing which does make you wonder, especially as we were getting a blue bitch staff but when they bought "her" round it was actually him...

So sorry to hear. Did you have him tested for the possible brain tumour?

Thank u. Unfortunately not, it wasn't something that was suggested to us at the time. Having looked at his family tree when we got him though there was some inbreeding which I was concerned about that, possible result of that...?

so sorry to hear this awful experience you have had to deal with its a terrible decision to have to make to have an animal for what ever reason put to sleep but i would of made the same decision the trust is gone from your relationship with your dog! i believe that dogs are not born !" bad or aggressive" but do feel some people try and breed aggressive dogs with aggressive dogs to try and bring this side out in them! your dog could of been in pain which can show as an aggression, hormones flowing and a bitch in season could all be factors but i feel u made the correct decision! my heart goes out to u worst thing ive ever had to do was but my beloved "bartolli dog" put to sleep   

so sorry to hear this awful experience you have had to deal with its a terrible decision to have to make to have an animal for what ever reason put to sleep but i would of made the same decision the trust is gone from your relationship with your dog! i believe that dogs are not born !" bad or aggressive" but do feel some people try and breed aggressive dogs with aggressive dogs to try and bring this side out in them! your dog could of been in pain which can show as an aggression, hormones flowing and a bitch in season could all be factors but i feel u made the correct decision! my heart goes out to u worst thing ive ever had to do was but my beloved "bartolli dog" put to sleep   

how many times did you walk him per day and how long for?

In all fairness, genetics can play a huge part on attacks also. Nature vs nurture will always be apparent; but SOME, though very few may I add, can just attack seemingly randomly. Especially with neurological issues going on. Something doesn't sound right with the previous owners, though it does concern me that his behaviour has become more aggressive in this new home; which would point to a welfare issue or a health/neurological issue.

What's done is done, and the OP doesn't really have to answer any of our questions; but i'm simply interested as to why/how this happened and if it could be prevented in the future.

My heart goes out to you and in the past we had to make the same decision and it wasn't one we took lightly so know EXACTLY what you're going through. Like willowthewisp mentioned, the trust was gone and having a young daughter to consider it wasn't a risk we were willing to take after our bitch suddenly turned on us. Rehoming our girl also wasn't an option as we couldn't live with the knowledge if she attacked someone else after how she came after us for no reason and after never showing signs of aggression. The vet did take her blood before she was PTS and she was positive for lepto which explained some of her strange behaviour towards the end. I think as an owner who lives with their dogs 24/7, you pretty much know the difference between a teenager trying to dominate and push your limits and when there is something more serious going on. I for one believe this was out of Kinks87's control and they did the right thing. Hugs to you. 

Rachel33 wrote:In all fairness, genetics can play a huge part on attacks also. Nature vs nurture will always be apparent; but SOME, though very few may I add, can just attack seemingly randomly. Especially with neurological issues going on. Something doesn't sound right with the previous owners, though it does concern me that his behaviour has become more aggressive in this new home; which would point to a welfare issue or a health/neurological issue.

What's done is done, and the OP doesn't really have to answer any of our questions; but i'm simply interested as to why/how this happened and if it could be prevented in the future.

but my question wasn't answered or did i miss it? we dont know anything really do we, yea the odd one can be crazy from the start but that VERY rare like in humans what is the % of people turning into fred west?

we dont know anything really do we, yea the odd one can be crazy from the start but that VERY rare like in humans what is the % of people turning into fred west?

re: fred west .. i recall reading his behaviour changed after a head injury
from a motorcycle accident

anyhow .. couple of random links from a google search
re brain injury and aggression ( humans and dogs )

human:
http://www.psychology.org.au/publications/inpsych/aggressive/

dogs:
https://k9aggression.com/medical-issues-overview/

(edited to add re. above ' medical issues ' link )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_dysplasia_(canine)
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rest in peace and run free Clyde

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( edited to add ) .. been wondering how dogs react to getting a headache ..
or how to recognise if a dog has a headache ..  ( if indeed they do get headaches )
i get some nasty ones now and again .. similar to migraines ..
and i know they can make me quite "leave me in peace please !!!"

kozmos wrote:

we dont know anything really do we, yea the odd one can be crazy from the start but that VERY rare like in humans what is the % of people turning into fred west?

re: fred west .. i recall reading his behaviour changed after a head injury
from a motorcycle accident

anyhow .. couple of random links from a google search
re brain injury and aggression ( humans and dogs )

human:
http://www.psychology.org.au/publications/inpsych/aggressive/

dogs:
https://k9aggression.com/medical-issues-overview/

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rest in peace and run free Clyde

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( edited to add ) .. been wondering how dogs react to getting a headache ..
or how to recognise if a dog has a headache ..  ( if indeed they do get headaches )
i get some nasty ones now and again .. similar to migraines ..
and i know they can make me quite "leave me in peace please !!!"

mmm good link kozmos

I am really sorry for your loss.

Before we met, my partner took in a a staffy who had some gaps in her background, with the best of intentions. Despite all the intensive training, she bit Kai and then my partner himself, she couldn't be socialized. The decision to put her down (based on sound veterinary advice) was a very difficult one that still causes my partner a great deal of pain, we still have her dog tag to remember her.

If any lessons are to be learnt (and I am in no place to judge you this is not the time, I am sorry for your loss.