English staff vs American Staff?

I was on youtube and found a couple of videos of American staffs, I know quite a few english staffs, but whats the deal with american staffs, are they legal here? Anyone got one/any experience or knowledge of them?

i put "american staff" in google, n they seem to be beautiful dogs, but most of the pictures look completely different, you know what google is like, search staff and find pitbulls or english bulls.

Anyone got any links to images of actual American staffs?

Any information appreciated

ones banned one isnt-american staff is just a pitbull sideline creation credit where its due they are proberbly a good dog-unlike the bully pitbull that is just a joke.....they are all a bit fake to me if you want a real dog it needs to be a genuine staffy or if not banned a genuine pit bull terrier{not the creations fom the us}.

http://staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/americanstaffordshireterrierphotos.html

because there alot of different type of pitbul short bully looking and so on AKC willn't make the american pitbull terrier a official breed so some pitbull terrier breeders got together and made a standard and call them american staffordshire terrier that what someone told me i dont know if thats 100% the truth,

yep that sounds right and the american staffs do seem of a better quality, but still ive seen proper pit bull terriers in greece in action and they are far more superior in terms of fittness and stamina they would take some beating....maybe they dont look as tough as some of the modern breeds but they are in a class of there own, i once saw one in a tug of war with 2 decent size staffs and the staffs were just outclassed....

I'll always prefer the look of the Stafford. The American staff to me doesn't look 'finished' somehow. Just doesn't have the same 'presence' as a staff.

So are they illegal in this country?

Some of them are beautiful looking dogs, i know what you mean about looking a bit unfinished though, i think its the face that does it, some of them lack definition in the face i think.

yea they are banned we class the mas ptibull type.

anything type is banned under the * law, depends where u live i suppose, i know quite a few people with banned breeds but if you go hanging around city centres youre gonna get lifted sooner or later.....i do hear the bsl is to be changed but ive heard it all before....my brother owns a genuine pbt and always has, they are not the monsters people think in the right hands they are a quality dog...then again he lives in deep wales so never has a problem....

im probably just talking garbage here but, i dont think there can be another staffordshire bull terrier, there can only be crosses, an american staff for instance would be a cross with something cos obviously the staffy comes from england??,

an irish staffie is a cross cos originally it comes from england, anything that has a country in front of staffy is a cross, or am i just being a muppet, AGAIN!!!

and anyway, our staffys are perfect lookiing (biased)

I really have no idea lol...hence the thread. Its interesting though. I think unless you have a Kc registered dog chances are it was probably crossed with something sumwher along the line.

But i think ur right sooz225, our staffys are defiantly the best

there is american staffordshire terrier but they banned in the uk

you could have a staffy X lab, staffy x boxer, boxer x lab or whatever and that maybe class as pitbull type

http://www.akc.org/breeds/american_staffordshire_terrier/

i'm sure staffordshire bull terrier was the pitbull back in the day but after a few changes to the standards or dog laws the staffy become smaller and it's what it is now.

if you go back far enough they all are crossed and all come from the same few breeds-terrier bulldog, big problem with the standard being some of todays 14" staffs as much as i love em are or scared of everything and thats not the way it should be....

ozbod1 wrote:if you go back far enough they all are crossed and all come from the same few breeds-terrier bulldog, big problem with the standard being some of todays 14" staffs as much as i love em are or scared of everything and thats not the way it should be....

totally agree, pls see my post about overgrown rat attack lol xxx

i never seen a 14" staffie 16" plus, the only problem i have with breeders is their breeding program stone age that come to mind.

Ive never actually measured chase's height.

Anyone know how tall their staff is? Or how tall their staff was at any particular age?

Ill measure up chase after dinner and post his height (if i can keep him still long enough)

always look on the website nearly got everything

http://staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/howtomeasureyourstaffords.html

Steve wrote:always look on the website nearly got everything

http://staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/howtomeasureyourstaffords.html

Its even got a typo

in About the staffords, thers a link that says, "enter your staffie in snows"

Um guessing it should say shows lol

acidrane13 wrote:

Steve wrote:always look on the website nearly got everything

http://staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/howtomeasureyourstaffords.html

Its even got a typo

in About the staffords, thers a link that says, "enter your staffie in snows"

Um guessing it should say shows lol

Well, most staffies do seem to like the snow................

i knew about the typo since the last update but i'm not going change till i do another big update there are far too many pages that i would have to change i cant do change everytime there a spelling mistake because i will go bananas

Steve wrote:i knew about the typo since the last update but i'm not going change till i do another big update there are far too many pages that i would have to change i cant do change everytime there a spelling mistake because i will go bananas

LOL, i know what you mean, i use to do web design with a mate, i did all the graphics, he did the the coding, we finished one once and were due to present to the client the next day, so we decided to have a last minute check for any mistakes, found like 5 typos and it took him soooo long to sort it out.

sooz225 wrote:im probably just talking garbage here but, i dont think there can be another staffordshire bull terrier, there can only be crosses, an american staff for instance would be a cross with something cos obviously the staffy comes from england??,

an irish staffie is a cross cos originally it comes from england, anything that has a country in front of staffy is a cross, or am i just being a muppet, AGAIN!!!

and anyway, our staffys are perfect lookiing (biased)

I think you have made complete sense with your post dogs are bred with a breed then given a name unless that is accepted by the kennel club then its a cross mongrel nothing more and the pups will be advertised for silly money and a buyer will believe what's said this rare dog is buy the pup and as its not reg has no documents its a cross breed mongrel then who's the muppet the one with a pocket full of money or the one who's paid 500 or above for a mongrel what doesn't look like its supposed too. Rant over if your buying research find a breeder who health checks ect you no what you will get and your happy

http://www.bulldoginformation.com/american-staffordshire-terrier.html

this is a great site shows u all different types of bull breeds

our is better

http://staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/

this is a great site mate sorry didnt mean it to look as if i was trying to take ppl away lol and the forum on here is the best was just trying to help

click on that links

http://staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/

The vets have Harley listed as American Staffy on his vaccination certificate yet everywhere else it's English Staffy i'm so confused.

That's confusing! What made them list him as American Staffy?

english staffy? it's american staffordshire terrier or staffordshire bull terrier

I've seen loads of american staffy's and mixes here since they are not banned and the main differences I've seen between them and my Sid is size and muscle. My Sid is very short but stocky where the am staffs I've seen are much taller and not as well built. Pretty much no one here knows what a staffordshire bull terrier is and when they see my dog they assume she is a pit bull/am staff puppy. We had a foster am staff for a short time and she had the sweetest disposition but she was scared to death of loud noises. The problem with am staffs here is that they are the popular "thug" dog so everyone and their mother breeds them to god knows what and comes up with these mutt dogs with questionable temperament. Because of that I spent years looking for a good breeder before we finally got our Sid. I think am staffs are great dogs but they are just too big for me since I'm more of a small dog kind of person.

my stafffordshire bull terriers videos on youtube i get alot comments saying i've spell the name wrong from people in the usa you miss off the american and you dont have bull in the name

Purpledoggy wrote: The problem with am staffs here is that they are the popular "thug" dog so everyone and their mother breeds them to god knows what and comes up with these mutt dogs with questionable temperament.

That's exactly the problem we have in the UK with Staffordshire Bull Terriers!

Here in America the Bully breeds are simply a mess, it makes your head spin at the shelters. Some shelters will label a dog Am Staff instead of "pit bull" in hopes of having a better chance for adoption. The variations can be so extreme. Americans have gone for size and image but still want to call their new type and old name, which I have issues with. To have a dog that posesses so much mass it's lost it's agility shouldn't be in the same class or called by the same name. (have you seen what they call a "pocket pittie?)

Also many Americans are moraly bankrupt and don't care so much about what they are doing, they just want that all might buck and the bullies are paying the price here. The percentage of breeders in America that still breed for original traits are rare, really rare, but they do exsist and produce a wonderfull dog, a larger, different looking version and one called American Pit bull Terrier.

The way I see it is this: Am Staff is just a way to avoid or another way of saying pit bull. When people ask me if Emma is a pit bull, I quickly respond "no, she's a staffy" and they say "what's that?" lol

whoa, guess I ranted a little....lol sorry about that

Suzy, I can understand the rant! Here in the UK we have breed specific legislation, so anything that looks remotely like a pit bull (or what the authorities thinks looks like a pit bull) can be seized, impounded and possiblt put to sleep, no matter what its temperament is like!

We also have plenty of dodgy breeders, in it for the money and not the good of the breed.

As I understand it, anyway, the AmStaff is originally the 'acceptable' term for a pit bull, or is that not the case?

We have BSL here as well and it upsets me so much. It's reached a fever pitch in the US and thousands of great dogs are loosing their battle.

Since the general public think "pit bulls" are bad and usually don't know what an AmStaff is it's a sly way around the issue. A person may be affraid of a "pit bull" but be willing to spend time with and or adopt an AmStaff . Sounds strange I know but it's true.

I have understood that the AKC didn't want to acknowledge the word "pit" in the dogs name so the AMStaff name was born to get their breed registered in the US.

In the US we have a large debate over Amstaffs and American Pit Bull Terriers, which to me seems needless. I have yet to see a breed get so confused. I prefer the term Bully mix and I am starting to see more people using this term, but it doesn't make a difference when it comes to BSL.

You're only too right, I'm afraid. The hysterical response to any 'pit' or 'bully' breed seems to be world wide.

American staff is a registered breed in the US, however they are banned over here as they were developed from pitbulls and as such the UK KC do not recognise them as a breed.

Most of the pitbull type dogs now are crossbreeds, when the dangerous dog act came into force in 1991 all pure pitbulls were castrated and put under orders to be muzzled in public places. Unless you got one imported it is very unlikely that your relation's dog is a pure pit. Probably mooe pitbull type.