Vaccinations

Read this article in Dog World & found it quite revealing....

http://www.dogworld.co.uk/product.php/87596

Hope this link works - please let me know if it doesn't.

Depends what views/opinions/write up/recommendations you read, there always arguments for and against, to many things.

As janey said its all a lot of opinions lol

Did either of you read the article?

Yes

It isn't about whether we should vaccinate or not, it's about the lack of training vets get with regard to the vaccinations themselves.

I find that quite frightening!

As I said before I had a long discussion with my vet and threw as many questions at him as I could. I am not one for taking things 'as is'.

Every procedure advised by vets is advised for a reason. I for one am not going to argue with a vet nor qualified too, when they answer all my awkward questions, most of which learnt here!

Ah, but if your vet hasn't been trained properly, is he giving you the right info? That's what I find scary - what is the right information? Vaccinate or not? It seems that even the vets don't know - or at least haven't been trained to know.

Leaves us poor owners up in the air & not being sure.

But you can argue that with anything. You are pretty adamant in certain things, and all your going on is research which will always be for or against!

Depends what you read and who you listen too.

You're missing the point Janey. This isn't about vaccinating or not, it's about whether the vets have been trained properly in the first place to give advice!

Most of that article contains quotes from vets saying that they didn't receive proper training. That's what worries me!

It's nothing to do with difference of opinions.

Caryll you dog should just be wild

Your against neutering, against chipping (but have just had it done), very pro raw (but have just changed), anti vacs with minority opinions.

Dogs are pets and I don't want to seem rude but I think they should be bought up and evolve into the family pet that they are. They can still be dogs and I like nothing more than watching Moo hunt/chase etc.

I hope that makes sense and I'm not trying to argue and no offense to you but you always come across so negative.

I think vets give a lot of wrong info. How often are they "updated" on things? Like a recent post saying a more mature vet saying to stick your fingers down the dogs throat!

janey wrote:

Caryll you dog should just be wild

Your against neutering, against chipping (but have just had it done), very pro raw (but have just changed), anti vacs with minority opinions.

Dogs are pets and I don't want to seem rude but I think they should be bought up and evolve into the family pet that they are. They can still be dogs and I like nothing more than watching Moo hunt/chase etc.

I hope that makes sense and I'm not trying to argue and no offense to you but you always come across so negative.

*I'm not being negative, Janey, just passing on worrying info. As I said, I didn't post that info to back me up because I don't think it does. I posted it because it's worrying, to me at least, that our vets are not being taught properly.
*I'm still pro raw, but I've always said it doesn't suit everybody or every dog - for some reason at the moment it doesn't suit Dempsey.
*I'm still against me neutering my dogs, but I'm not against neutering & never have been - I'm against neutering early.
* I'm still against chipping as the only means of permanently identifying a dog. Tattoing is just as reliable (maybe more so) and less invasive. But if it's going to be law, I'm all for it - just not for the reasons you are.

And by the way, not vaccinating yearly isn't a minority opinion. There are an awful lot of vets that don't vaccinate yearly because there isn't necessarily a need, and most know that, in this country at least, we over vaccinate.

However, there are also those who will vaccinate yearly without a second thought because they'll be making an extra £30 odd quid per dog every year. That is negative, I'll grant you that, but so many vets nowadays are all about money & not the welfare of the animal.

Again though it depends who you talk too and what opinions you read. I agree, I don't think they need to be vaccinated every year, on your advice I have left it 3 years without a problem, but if everyone thought like that then how long before disease could become a problem?

Sticking to yearly boosters now, I talked it over in depth, just wish I could re type there words.

Well now, isn't that interesting - thanks Caryll.

I've just been wondering on this forum whether the annual boosters are necessary for our dogs.

I do believe that we should immunise our puppies against the horribles out there, and that a booster at about 1 year old is wise, just in case. We had this as children ourselves, and do the same for our children in turn.

It's the year after year after year boosters that worry me as to if they are necessary. We humans don't have yearly boosters so why should dogs have to, are their immune systems worse than ours? Or is it a money spinner for the vets - mmmm.

I know that vets have a lot to learn in their 7 years of study before qualifying, but to hear from qualified vets that vaccination was just skimmed over as a given, is disturbing to say the least.

janey wrote:Again though it depends who you talk too and what opinions you read. I agree, I don't think they need to be vaccinated every year, on your advice I have left it 3 years without a problem, but if everyone thought like that then how long before disease could become a problem?

Sticking to yearly boosters now, I talked it over in depth, just wish I could re type there words.

That's fine, Janey - totally your decision & I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just concerned that our vets aren't being given the right teaching about vaccines in general. If they're not being taught properly, then either of those opinions could be wrong, couldn't they?

So, if we don't vaccinate annually our dogs could be at risk (but might not be) & if we do vaccinate annually our dogs might be at risk (but might not be). Which is right? Because quite frankly, after reading that article, I don't know any more.

I love to swap opinions but on that note I must get some shut eye, work tomorrow.

Some interesting points, on both sides Xx

Me too.

Nighty night! ><

JANEY, Please check with your dogs insurance company, if a dog is not up to date with his jabs it can render some policies null and void.

Panda wrote:JANEY, Please check with your dogs insurance company, if a dog is not up to date with his jabs it can render some policies null and void.

It doesn't, you are asked whether they are up to date but as long as the issue isn't to do with the vacs then it doesn't affect the insurance (just made a claim myself) but do check Xx

not aimed at anyone but

MY vet tried to argue to me until he was blue in the face as i refuse to vaccinate my dogs if they already show enough immunity through titre testing, the amount of dogs who have been ill with x, y, z through over vaccinating is a very scary thing

ella wrote:not aimed at anyone but

MY vet tried to argue to me until he was blue in the face as i refuse to vaccinate my dogs if they already show enough immunity through titre testing, the amount of dogs who have been ill with x, y, z through over vaccinating is a very scary thing

That's one of the reasons I don't entirely trust some vets. They never seem to tell you both sides of the story in their entirity, or the advantages and disadvantages.

Panda wrote:JANEY, Please check with your dogs insurance company, if a dog is not up to date with his jabs it can render some policies null and void.

By all means check, but most policies will only not pay out on diseases/ailments that could have been prevented by vaccinations. All they say is that your dog should be vaccinated in accordance with the advice from your vet.

ella wrote:not aimed at anyone but

MY vet tried to argue to me until he was blue in the face as i refuse to vaccinate my dogs if they already show enough immunity through titre testing, the amount of dogs who have been ill with x, y, z through over vaccinating is a very scary thing

I agree. My only reservation is that, a titer test costs about £70! Add to that any vaccinations the dog may need if the test shows low immunity, and a lot of people just won't be able to afford it!

Eleanor wrote:

ella wrote:not aimed at anyone but

MY vet tried to argue to me until he was blue in the face as i refuse to vaccinate my dogs if they already show enough immunity through titre testing, the amount of dogs who have been ill with x, y, z through over vaccinating is a very scary thing

That's one of the reasons I don't entirely trust some vets. They never seem to tell you both sides of the story in their entirity, or the advantages and disadvantages.

Same. They tell you the side of the story that benefits them.

Apart from my own vets, who are all farmers so don't * people with all the pampering crap. If you don't want a vacc, they don't give it. They have never asked me about them before and only the last time i took her in for her teeth they said "did you know that there was parvo in your area, if you want you can get a vacc but its up to you"

thats why i love my vets (doesnt hurt that they are easy on the eye...but i think i am drawn to all farmers hahaha)

Caryll wrote:

Panda wrote:JANEY, Please check with your dogs insurance company, if a dog is not up to date with his jabs it can render some policies null and void.

By all means check, but most policies will only not pay out on diseases/ailments that could have been prevented by vaccinations. All they say is that your dog should be vaccinated in accordance with the advice from your vet.

ella wrote:not aimed at anyone but

MY vet tried to argue to me until he was blue in the face as i refuse to vaccinate my dogs if they already show enough immunity through titre testing, the amount of dogs who have been ill with x, y, z through over vaccinating is a very scary thing

I agree. My only reservation is that, a titer test costs about £70! Add to that any vaccinations the dog may need if the test shows low immunity, and a lot of people just won't be able to afford it!

i know they can quite pricey but my vets said they would be £60 and i do save up for them otherwise i couldn't afford but i think vaccs for a lot of people are the easy 'cheaper' option!

Panda wrote:JANEY, Please check with your dogs insurance company, if a dog is not up to date with his jabs it can render some policies null and void.

like Janey said this is not true.

I don't vacs and have already informed my insurers, the clause is 'if you do no keep vacs up to date, then you cannot claim for anything that could have been prevented by the vacs, but the rest of your insurance is still valid.'