Blue Staffies what do the Forum think?

[Panda]

What do the Forum think, have Blue Staffies reached their sell by date? I see that blues are now coming into rescue centres, and on places like gumtree and preloved the price of a Blue Staffy puppy is dropping and there are more Blues KC registered than any other colour (is that right?) so they are no longer the rarity.

[Guest]

they were never raelly rare just less commen but saddly we all know they have been breed to the extreme the last couple of years when i got memphis there were none in my area now every other staffie i see is blue but even more saddly some really really poor examples and i would say less than a qaurter of them are KC reg but still been bought for silly money

[Guest]

I think now that they are not considered rare by anyone and alot more common then of course the price and desire for them will drop, like anything..

But I just hope everyone just starts to appreciate all staff's from now on regardless of colour

[rebeccaleanne]

I couldnt say really with regards to the KC and if they are going past there sell by date but i personally think that there are just too many out there now and as with anything when there are a vast amount of things the price lowers

[Guest]

If it stops irresponsible breeding for colour then it is not a bad thing.

[Guest]

I love the colour to be honest, even in other breeds. I think the price they bring in is ludicrous, as it really is just another colour to me.

I don't think they've reached their sell by date as such, more the fact that in a lot of places they are very heavily bred because people are willing to pay a grand for a pup. And at a time when many people are struggling for money a litter of 5-6 pups sounds appealing to some. Subsquently however these pups are picked up by people who haven't thought it out and they end up unwanted very quickly.

Over here it isn't really like that strangely. Of course there are a good few litters around but on a whole most Staffords I see where I live and in the surroundings areas are Black/Brindle like Logan, or Red.

I agree with Jasons comment,

I just hope everyone just starts to appreciate all staff's from now on regardless of colour

[Guest]

I would agree there was a bit of a trend for blue Staffs. Like yourself I have noticed how many are in rescue. I wonder what the next trend will be?

[Andy]

What do the Forum think, have Blue Staffies reached their sell by date?

I bloody hope so

[Guest]

What do the Forum think, have Blue Staffies reached their sell by date?

I bloody hope so

Another great one liner Andy!!

[Andy]

[Guest]

Reds seem to be quite popular these days , thankfully I don't think they carry as many high feelings as Blues just to the fact that its an easily come by colour

[archielaws]

they were never raelly rare just less commen but saddly we all know they have been breed to the extreme the last couple of years when i got memphis there were none in my area now every other staffie i see is blue but even more saddly some really really poor examples and i would say less than a qaurter of them are KC reg but still been bought for silly money

I'm not too far from you mate and i've noticed the same thing. Having said that my dad has two blues, two nice dogs aswell. but i'm seeing more and more now, and with all the love in the world some very poor examples of the breed.

[Guest]

I still like blues , or rather love blues as I love all staffs , it's just a shame that because of the problems , genes and stuff that they can't be just bred in any old manner as can all the neutral issue staffs (blacks , reds , brindles etc etc)

[Jackieb]

<3 well owning 2 blues myself they are my life. Paid over the odds ofc but I wouldn't change them for the world.

But I adore all Staffs, once u own a staff - u see beyond the color, and embrace the soul behind the deep dark eyes looking bk at u.

There is far too much 'blueist' prejudice out there and it drives me bonkers.

Inbreeding or line breeding coefficients - all that blah, I love my 2, that's all that matters.

I don't think blue will ever go 'out of fashion' if anything we will see blue in more breeds ! Saw a blue bull mastiff the other day - bloody gorgeous it was !

[Guest]

Inbreeding or line breeding coefficients - all that blah, I love my 2, that's all that matters.

And to you, that's all it is - a load of blah. But it is important for the health & wellbeing of the breed as a whole.

[Jackieb]

Inbreeding or line breeding coefficients - all that blah, I love my 2, that's all that matters.

And to you, that's all it is - a load of blah. But it is important for the health & wellbeing of the breed as a whole.

I fully understand what it means - what I meant was - the frustration of these supposedly top breeders calling it 'line breeding' whereas all it really is, is gross inbreeding.

[Steve]

I fully understand what it means - what I meant was - the frustration of these supposedly top breeders calling it 'line breeding' whereas all it really is, is gross inbreeding.

yea they just trying to make it sound better half sister and half brother mating is inbreeding to me dont matter what these so call top breeder say..

[Jackieb]

I know of a blue 'breeder' (BYB) who had a planned litter, bitch was confirmed pregnant but the bitch 'reabsorbed' the foetuses.
The inbreeding coefficient for the predicted litter was 35%.
shockingly high, little wonder why the pregnancy was unsuccessful. The bitch has since been sold. God knows where she is now the breeding world is a sad and dangerous place.

[Guest]

Poor little bitch.

[Guest]

What do the Forum think, have Blue Staffies reached their sell by date? I see that blues are now coming into rescue centres, and on places like gumtree and preloved the price of a Blue Staffy puppy is dropping and there are more Blues KC registered than any other colour (is that right?) so they are no longer the rarity.

Doesnt suprise me.... There were 6000 litter registations last year, half of that were blue.
Im not against any staffy of any colour, i love them all. But surely, a breeder shouldnt breed for colour, but for good health.
I do feel breeders use the "Rare", when actually, going on the reg numbers, their the most popular. Shame health didnt come 1st

[Nathan]

A staff is a staff is a staff... Yes we all have a preforance, but my dogs chose me as puppies i sat ammoungst them and the ones that couldnt keep away aka chose me i took on knowing we would make a great partnership. I like blues and marleys mum was a single blue of a litter but that meant nothing to me esp as hes a cross and looks nothing like one, hes my boy that chose me and thats a moment i wil never forget

[Guest]

I love blue Staffs, they were my favourite colour. It just looks really cool and their coats always look fuzzy and cuddly for some reason. That said, it's probably hard (unless you know EXACTLY where and what to look for) to find a blue Staff that's the result of a responsible breeding. So it'd be great if the popularity died down, because then they wouldn't be bred solely for colour and overpriced at the sacrifice of their health. But I love the colour...I love all colours though.

[Panda]

Thankyou for all your replies, they were so interesting and enlightning, I have no preference for any colour, but if they are pure KC Reg. bred Staffies I would hope the breeders try to breed as near to the Standard as possible.

[Billybunter]

For me it does not matter colour they could be Red, fawn, white, black or blue, or any of these colours with white as long as they are healthy dog and have a good personalty

[Guest]

For me it does not matter colour they could be Red, fawn, white, black or blue, or any of these colours with white as long as they are healthy dog and have a good personalty

[Nosipho]

Blues are beautiful, but sadly have been over and inbred until the country is full to capacity with them. I hope that as they become more common and their popularity wavers then people will stop breeding them merely for profit. Its just sad the amount of dogs which have to suffer and have rubbish lives for this to happen...

[Mani]

Bull Terriers should be bred for health and 'safe' temperament around humans and dogs (former more important than the latter). I have no strong feelings about colour, as long as they have the cute ears and dopey staffy face they all look great to me. However, I do like the fact that Mani has similar colour and markings to the original bull and terrier dog:

[Guest]

Bull Terriers should be bred for health and 'safe' temperament around humans and dogs (former more important than the latter).

You do have to remember, though, that the temperament towards dogs was never important to the early breeders - only the temperament towards humans. They didn't care if they wanted to fight every dog alive as long as they could live safely in the house with the family.

Therefore, many staffords have an inbred like of fighting. And believe me, they do like it. But before anybody jumps down my throat, I'm not talking about organised dog fights, I'm talking about the odd jolly scrap with another dog whilst out on walks!

[Gazagem]

Bull Terriers should be bred for health and 'safe' temperament around humans and dogs (former more important than the latter).

You do have to remember, though, that the temperament towards dogs was never important to the early breeders - only the temperament towards humans. They didn't care if they wanted to fight every dog alive as long as they could live safely in the house with the family.

Therefore, many staffords have an inbred like of fighting. And believe me, they do like it. But before anybody jumps down my throat, I'm not talking about organised dog fights, I'm talking about the odd jolly scrap with another dog whilst out on walks!

I agree with you there my girl loves everyone including most dogs but when she meets some (not all) staffy females if they start she's ready to have a go back
My boy is da and both him and Skye have had a few scraps when play has gone a bit to far (although they live happily together) and both have a few marks

[Mani]

You do have to remember, though, that the temperament towards dogs was never important to the early breeders - only the temperament towards humans. (...) But before anybody jumps down my throat, I'm not talking about organised dog fights, I'm talking about the odd jolly scrap with another dog whilst out on walks!

Mani can engage in some really rough play if the other dog is up for it, too. But I wonder where do you draw the line between a jolly scrap or a real dog fight w/ intent to damage permanently the other dog? Also, even though early breeders didn't consider it important, there's no reason we shouldn't. We live in areas that are more densely populated than 100 years ago, so more likely for our dogs to come across other dogs in their walks and day to day lives. Not saying we should breed out the bull terrier tenacity and scrappiness, but if all other things in place lower da is better than higher da.

[Panda]

Bull Terriers should be bred for health and 'safe' temperament around humans and dogs (former more important than the latter).

You do have to remember, though, that the temperament towards dogs was never important to the early breeders - only the temperament towards humans. They didn't care if they wanted to fight every dog alive as long as they could live safely in the house with the family.

Therefore, many staffords have an inbred like of fighting. And believe me, they do like it. But before anybody jumps down my throat, I'm not talking about organised dog fights, I'm talking about the odd jolly scrap with another dog whilst out on walks!

Caryll, you have summed up Solly to a T. When we first had him there was nothing he liked more than to have a poke at another dog, no one hurt but he considered it a great start to the day, and he would walk off with his tail in the air like a scythe. Now you know why the edges of my nerves are frayed.

[Guest]

Mani can engage in some really rough play if the other dog is up for it, too. But I wonder where do you draw the line between a jolly scrap or a real dog fight w/ intent to damage permanently the other dog?

By a 'jolly scrap' I don't mean excessive rough play. I mean a fight with intent to bite & harm. I really get peeved when people deny that some staffords will enjoy this, because it means that they've never had a da dog and so can't really comment.

I've had a highly da staff and I've know several others from when I used to show Bandit. Believe me, they hate other dogs and will do as much damage as they are allowed to and enjoy it. They come away from a fight with a distinct buzz, eyes bright, ears at attention & tail wagging furiously. If you gave them the chance they'd go straight back and have another go! I'm not glorifying it, it's a scary thing to see happen, but it does happen.

[Mani]

Sure, I believe you, but why not breed some of that out of the Staffy then? It's not something tolerated by our present society so might as well have dogs which aren't frustrated by not engaging in such behaviour.

[Guest]

Mani can engage in some really rough play if the other dog is up for it, too. But I wonder where do you draw the line between a jolly scrap or a real dog fight w/ intent to damage permanently the other dog?

By a 'jolly scrap' I don't mean excessive rough play. I mean a fight with intent to bite & harm. I really get peeved when people deny that some staffords will enjoy this, because it means that they've never had a da dog and so can't really comment.

I've had a highly da staff and I've know several others from when I used to show Bandit. Believe me, they hate other dogs and will do as much damage as they are allowed to and enjoy it. They come away from a fight with a distinct buzz, eyes bright, ears at attention & tail wagging furiously. If you gave them the chance they'd go straight back and have another go! I'm not glorifying it, it's a scary thing to see happen, but it does happen.

im deff with you on this one caryll memphis is a proper softie with all humans he meets and 95%of other dogs but other staffies he can be a nightmare i wouldnt call him DA but he deffently SDA(staffie da) and i would deff say he loves it .
he can go from a full on growling fit and lunging one minute to seeing a dog he knows and will let them nip his tail and jump all over him and not bat an eye ball

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