Where did blues come from?

Just a question to see if anyone knew how blues started? Remember even a few years ago I hadn't came across a blue Stafford, now there increasingly popular. Was having a look through the family tree section earlier, just browsing really and ended up looking at jolsons blue boy. I've posted up his 2 gen pedigree. I cant work out how he became blue! Any advice on the matter would be appreciated.

http://www.stamtavler.com/dogarchive/details.php?id=20514&gens=3

He's Max's dad ... and one of the reasons I new Max would be the kind of staffy I was after

blue come from blacks fawn come from reds

Andy wrote:He's Max's dad ... and one of the reasons I new Max would be the kind of staffy I was after

You men blue?

Still if blues come from blacks we've had blacks all the way back from 1920's onward I assume. How come over the last few years we've seen blues appear?

back in the day blues was put down

blue is a dilution colour of black like fawn is a dilution colour of red

Jolsons blueboy is my boys great grandad

Anyway- how did he become blue ? ... Well his mom and dad would both be carriers of the blue gene, resulting in a blue dog.

Another example : if u mate a blue bitch with a black male that carries the blue gene, the pups will be blue.

If u mate blue bitch with Black male without blue gene, you could have a mixed litter of blues and blacks.

It's all about the blue gene which is a recessive gene. Mate 2 dogs carrying the recessive gene and it becomes the dominant gene passed on.

Think that's right !!!

me i wouldn't touch Jolsons blueboy line that been breed blue 2 blue matings

Here is a link about coat genetics http://www.doggenetics.co.uk/index.htm

Blues have always been in the stafford. They used to be called grey.

As Steve says, it's a dilute of black and as such never used to be bred from with blue pups being sold to pet homes. However, people started to notice the colour a few years ago & began breeding specifically for the colour. There are one or two prominent stud dogs that you'll find in the pedigree of most blue dogs, one of them being Ch. Valglo Cassanova. Ch. Vanoric Voodoo is another.

Jolson came from 2 blacks

http://www.stamtavler.com/dogarchive/details.php?id=142317

have a look at that line far to many blue

search on here for Amethyst Sunset

http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/services/public/mateselect/inbreed/Default.aspx?breed=3080

35% inbred also

john blue boy is nearly 20% inbred also

whos john?

Jolson's Blue Boy

oh right yeah its disgusting inbreeding.. I wouldn't have anything over the coefficient percentage

Im not a blue staff fan so im not gonna defend the colour.. However I am a breed standard fan so I dont care what colour a staff is

I've seen some really beautiful blue staffords. Were they breed standard? No, most of them weren't, but that didn't stop them being gorgeous!

Steve wrote:http://www.stamtavler.com/dogarchive/details.php?id=142317

have a look at that line far to many blue

Where are the blues in Jolsons Blue Boy's ped in this link ?

it's not his paper is his off springs

you only need to look on this one damm side they are most blue

http://www.stamtavler.com/dogarchive/details.php?id=142317

'Valglo singin the blues' is my fave blue staff is think.
https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img341/6671/45716352.jpg

it wouldn't be my fave it's 25% inbred but atleast it as not got a long line of blues

Steve wrote:it's not his paper is his off springs

you only need to look on this one damm side they are most blue

http://www.stamtavler.com/dogarchive/details.php?id=142317

On the Dam's side yeah, but JBB sired a bloody good dog in my Maxy I can tell ya

Jason wrote:'Valglo singin the blues' is my fave blue staff is think.
https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img341/6671/45716352.jpg

His COI is 24.4%

Steve, do u know the guy who owns amethyst sunset ?

Steve wrote:it wouldn't be my fave it's 25% inbred but atleast it as not got a long line of blues

yeah i just checked that.. thats put me off now.. shame

Jackieb wrote:Steve, do u know the guy who owns amethyst sunset ?

no, i just did a check on the kennel club inbred test and it come up as 35%

the parents of my staff have an Inbreeding Coefficient percentage below 2%

Andy wrote:

Steve wrote:it's not his paper is his off springs

you only need to look on this one damm side they are most blue

http://www.stamtavler.com/dogarchive/details.php?id=142317

On the Dam's side yeah, but JBB sired a bloody good dog in my Maxy I can tell ya

jolson blues boy is 20% inbred so i couldn't buy from his line the only time i would if the % was below the avg would change my mind the most important to me is the health before looks

Max is 2.5% ..

We seem to have gone a wee bit off topic here. In case you guys are interested I did post in the family tree section earlier today regarding some of your opinions on the inbreeding coefficient... haven't had any replies yet

archielaws wrote:We seem to have gone a wee bit off topic here. In case you guys are interested I did post in the family tree section earlier today regarding some of your opinions on the inbreeding coefficient... haven't had any replies yet

lol the blue topic always does... I'll look now

sorry me bad bad blue mating and inbreding get me going i should know better

archielaws wrote:We seem to have gone a wee bit off topic here. In case you guys are interested I did post in the family tree section earlier today regarding some of your opinions on the inbreeding coefficient... haven't had any replies yet

where did you post i cant find it

family tree's

archielaws wrote:We seem to have gone a wee bit off topic here. In case you guys are interested I did post in the family tree section earlier today regarding some of your opinions on the inbreeding coefficient... haven't had any replies yet

Yes, I've seen your post and commented.

But plaese bear in m ind that the breed average is only 6.7% and breeders should be aiming to produce pups with a lower COI than that.

Little article about blue genetics - http://www.doggenetics.co.uk/dilutes.html

(good basic genetics website)