Dog knifed 23 times The Sun today

Felt an idiot really, but shed a few tears over this today, can't get the woman's face out of my head. But this is a difficult one and I would like to know what other members think. Sorry I haven't got a link for it, I picked up the paper in my local chinese.

Read the story earlier too, really wish I didn't!! Heartbreaking for that poor dog but if the facts are correct, his owner was extremely irresponsible and should have never been allowed a dog of that nature. Allowing a human and canine aggressive dog to fun free around a heavily populated area is just idiotic, especially after he'd already supposedly attacked various people and other dogs.

However !! And it's a big however, stabbing a dog 23 times "in defense" of his dog seems a little, uh, psychotic perhaps?!!!?? That's not self defense, that's vile, and the fact that he's walked away with no charges is awful IMO.

Totally agree with you, The Sun doesn't give the full picture with their story, there is nothing about the dog running free or that he had history for this type of attack. It gives credence to the notion that there is not a bad dog, just a bad owner. Heartbreaking for the dog! Have to say though that the look of anguish in the woman's face was horrible!!!

Ah okay, the DM ran this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2216806/Mother-watches-horror-American-Bulldog-stabbed-23-times-irate-pet-owner-fight-dog.html?ICO=most_read_module

but I generally find it very hard to fully believe any stories involving bull breeds in newspapers.. or just stories in newspapers full stop really The images are really graphic just as a warning to anybody else!! Really disturbing and just soul destroying for anybody to have to go through

Thanks for that Rachel, totally different perspective from that newspaper, but I to have doubts on how much is reported correctly in the media! By the way, did you notice what looks suspiciously like a lead on the american bulldog?

I guess there's no real way to know what actually happened when there are people trying to make a quick buck from the most horrifying story.. whatever really went on it's just very, very sad

Yep, noticed that with the lead too! And to say that the police were sympathetic and "glad" that the dog is gone is really disgusting. If he was that much of a problem surely the police/dog wardens should have stepped in prior to things escalating to this level due to her having a dangerous dog out of control in a public place? Doesn't seem quite right to me!

No, more to that one than met the eye! I would have thought that most definitely that the first sign of an attack by a dog as powerful as an American Bulldog would have been met by the police with very strict restrictions imposed. Whatever, this has resulted in the death of a healthy dog from a very frenzied attack by another owner, the true facts need to be exposed and the owners dealt with accordingly. It must however have been horrifying to see your dog stabbed repeatedly in front of you and to feel so helpless, honestly don't know what I would have done in that circumstance... probably would have been daft enough to get between the dog and the knife, but that's stupid me

Precisely, had a phone call at work this week regarding an American Bull Dog attacking his owner and her threatening to let him loose if the wardens didn't come and get him.. They were there within 10 minutes!! Clearly a dangerous dog and he must have been on their radar previously.. I sense a screw up!!

For sure!! Was actually thinking exactly the same thing, I guess you never know what you would do until you're in that situation but I would imagine i'd be daft enough to do the same and hide her behind me!!

mmmm agreed!!


Like minds me thinks!!

That's a heartbreaking story, and I also can't take my mind of the pain on the women's face. However, I agree with Rachel33, if not this story, many stories like this happen because of owners' irresponsibility.
I have seen many cases of this with my own eyes, one in London were two dogs got in a fight which took hours to break and one had to be put down. I couldn't stop crying and honestly I blamed the owners for leaving the dogs running free.
I think that regardless of how well trained your pet is, you never know when they will get scared of something, attack or get attacked by another dog. They are animals, with instincts foreign to the human mind.

My heart still breaks for the poor dog and the cruelty he suffered. Knifed 23 times doesn't sound like self defense to me either.

I promised myself I will never let my dog off leash in public places.

Hi Claudia, I also keep my dogs leashed, I have long training leads for ours for when they are in the river or fields, neither of our two are dog or human aggressive, its the other dogs I am worried about and peoples reactions to the staffie breed. As you say, our dogs dont think like us and I could not guarantee my dogs reaction if another dog was aggressive, rather be able to pull them away. That must have been awful to see that fight and a heartbreaking end result, its something you'll never forget! It will be interesting to see what the end result will be with the above case, thats if we ever get to hear about it.

Totally agree Claudia!! Mine is also never off lead, and runs on a training line! She was a rescue though and was extremely fearful when I got her, even now if something spooked her I wouldn't trust her not to run away so it's better to be safe that sorry. She's also muzzled in heavily populated areas as I can't guarantee her reaction to badly behaved off lead dogs getting in her face, she could defend herself.

Got a feeling it's going to get swept under the carpet personally Sheila! Can't help but think that if he was a Labrador there would be a massive uproar. The anti bully brigade just seem to spout the same few sentences for every story related, no matter what the circumstance. They need to open their minds a little..

If they opened their minds a little Rachel, I'm afraid they would be left with nothing to say. This 'type' of person has only one mindset and I'm afraid that it is firmly set against what they see as being a dangerous dog, unfortunately to them, that dangerous dog incorporates the whole of the breed. Narrow perspective yes? Problem is, we are all heavily influenced by the media, as our conversation above shows, its a shame that the media doesn't take some responsibility for their actions in negative reporting, might result in a few less bull breeds in kennels. As for some owners and their responsibilities, i would be on here all night. I'll get off my soap box now Rachel!

Media tend to only show us what they want us to believe...and they love to manipulate our minds.
I totally agree with you Thomos 2 and Rachel33, the truth seems to always just somehow disappear.

Let us hope that the effect will be less harmful on our loved pets, so that we can walk out with them without fear.

I'll probably have to stop thinking about this, as I am already starting to get paranoid about my soon to come baby dog, and the danger of walking out with her.

Don't let it spoil your enjoyment of your new baby claudia, hope things all go well for you!

That poor dog. It must have had a horrible death. RIP Tyson.

I won't even comment on the article or what coulda shoulda, cause honestly i don't and will never know what actually happened.

Well I've seen this all over the place, and the guy is now put on bail.

Apparently it turns out to have a very minor fight with his staff and the ambull, to which he left the scene went to get the knives and then came back to stab the dog in revenge on front of his owner.

poor baby, rip Tyson

Oh it was a staff terrier? When he said terrier i thought he ment a small one. I did think it was strange that the terrier wasnt dead by the time he went to get knives. That explains it.

I think reading the facts that I would have done whatever it takes to save my dog. If it took 23 blows to get the dog to release then thats very sad, however I feel sorry for all involved.

Problem is Dan, there are mixed accounts of what really happened,some of the media say that it took the 23 blows to get the dog to release, others are saying that it was a minor fight which was over and the man returned to his house took three knives and went on to kill the dog. I guess its a case of make of it what you will, but, 23 blows seems excessive by any standards.

I saw a staff attack another dog whilst at our local dog training. 3 dog trainers and 2 owners couldn't get it to release (kicking, punching, finger up the bum etc). They have a vet on sight who tranquilized it in the end. One of the scariest things I've ever seen. Just goes to show though that if trained to be nasty/attack they take alot of seperating!

Thats horrible, its really kind of scary isn't it, I've never personally seen a dog fight, but our neighbours(before we moved in) have got four staffs, and one of the females has got really aggressive with a couple of the others, apparently there was a fight several months ago that went right throughout the house and into the garden, apparently it was quite horrific, they had to part them eventually with a piece if wood wedged into the ones mouth. I'm glad I didnt see it!!! You know, the more I think about it the more I believe that it should have been the two owners of the AmBull and staffy that should be on leads having dog training

Hayley wrote:Oh it was a staff terrier? When he said terrier i thought he ment a small one. I did think it was strange that the terrier wasnt dead by the time he went to get knives. That explains it.

yep it was a fight between tyson the ambull and this dudes staffy, neither dog had any injuries from the dog fight and yet he still came back to stab the dog.

Hey Ella, I heard that version too, I also heard that the guy wasn't charged, how far that is to be true, I don't know.

Dan330 wrote:I saw a staff attack another dog whilst at our local dog training. 3 dog trainers and 2 owners couldn't get it to release (kicking, punching, finger up the bum etc). They have a vet on sight who tranquilized it in the end. One of the scariest things I've ever seen. Just goes to show though that if trained to be nasty/attack they take alot of seperating!

You would think a dog trainer would know the way to get a dog off, it doesn't involve any of those things! Idiots.

Hi Hayley, how would you separate two fighting dogs, I admit I wouldn't have a clue and would probably panic! I do worry if ever my two had a go at each other, they sometimes rough play but can be verbally stopped, never anything serious. Thanks!

Thomos 2 wrote:Hi Hayley, how would you separate two fighting dogs, I admit I wouldn't have a clue and would probably panic! I do worry if ever my two had a go at each other, they sometimes rough play but can be verbally stopped, never anything serious. Thanks!

The first thing to do is try to get the attacker distracted with a jumper over its head, then grab the back legs up in close to the body (like back arm pits?...err...groin lol) and pull it away and up so it cant turn on you. if the other dog is going for it still tie up/lock the one youve pulled off an repeat until they are separated.

fire extinguisher is usually good too.

Hayley wrote:

The first thing to do is try to get the attacker distracted with a jumper over its head, then grab the back legs up in close to the body (like back arm pits?...err...groin lol) and pull it away and up so it cant turn on you. if the other dog is going for it still tie up/lock the one youve pulled off an repeat until they are separated.

fire extinguisher is usually good too.

Sorry I don't mean to interfere but who ever told you to grab the dog by the back legs and pull them away during a dog fight?!

Ooops it looks like there are probably different ideas on this one, thanks for responding Hayley!! How would you deal with it Rachel? I would most definitely be strutting around panicking like a headless chicken if it was me. (no use to anyone!)

Oh no I don't mean to sound rude at all I really don't! Just from personal experience (especially with the bully breeds) if you pull away you'll end up tearing the other dogs skin as they will hold on for dear life!! Saw this once with a westie that ended up with half a face after someone panicked and tried to pull the other dog off!

From the fights that I've broken up I've found a collar twist (not enough to suffocate completely!!) and push into the bite most effective. Have also had to use freezing cold buckets of water to initially shock enough to quickly grab and turn away as long as no teeth is touching skin, break/bite sticks if you're happy to get your hands that close to the dogs jaws can be effective and also once had to try a broom stick up the bum Had one dog that really wouldn't let go no matter what though and vets had to come and give a sedative injection.

P.S you'd know what to do when it came to it!! I always thought I would panic in that situation, but it's sink or swim really and you're brain usually goes into auto pilot and takes over

Hi Rachel, don't think for one minute you being rude, so don't worry, its just that everybody has different opinions and its good to hear all points of view. One day, god forbid , a problem could occur for me, I'm such a wimp though in all honesty, I remember my daughters two chihuahua's fighting, and they were feisty little devils and I was shaking like a leaf. I guess nobody truly knows how they'll react until it happens, mind you I think I'd be drawing the line at a broomstick up the bum!!