KC Registered

Steph&Sash wrote:When we bought Sasha last August, the breeder didn't give us any papers to prove that Sasha was registered.

Can anyone tell me how I can register Sasha as I would like to breed her at some point in her life but I also think its a necessity.

Its taken a whole year because with moving house and family probs n what not, we just haven't gotten around to doing this. I have looked on the KC website but its not really helpful.

Steph&Sash wrote:What a shame!

You say we should only breed if we want to improve the breed? That is exactly what we want to do, we have a line of good potential homes for the pups (if we ever breed).

I would like to breed her but I would never breed if I knew that the pups would be a bad example to the breed.

If i'm being honest, I know very little about breeding. But isn't how are people supposed to learn to breed without learning to do so first?

When we do breed her (if we do), we will do everything by the book.

Nooo, i meant having her KC reg a necessity.

Steph&Sash wrote:I might get in contact with the breeder and ask if she did register her at birth. I had no papers through the post so i doubt they did.

Breeding her isn't my main priority.

Steph&Sash wrote:What a shame!

You say we should only breed if we want to improve the breed? That is exactly what we want to do, we have a line of good potential homes for the pups (if we ever breed).

I would like to breed her but I would never breed if I knew that the pups would be a bad example to the breed.

If i'm being honest, I know very little about breeding. But isn't how are people supposed to learn to breed without learning to do so first?

When we do breed her (if we do), we will do everything by the book.

Nooo, i meant having her KC reg a necessity.

shontelle wrote:Were you told that she is a full staffy? If they didn't give them to you or mention it, I doubt she is registered.

tartan wrote:Here is my opinion. Experienced and concientious breeders devote many years into developing a blood line or as some people may know it as a Kennel Name or Affix. A friend of mine who breeds Bull Terriers researched and studied pedigrees for years before purchasing his first Kennel Club Registered pup and has had many KC Champions since.
Inorder to do it the correct way, or at least the best way for our breed, a breeder must make every effort to plan each breeding in regard to conformation, temperament and health. In the first instance the dog to be breed must have all necessary health tests prior to considering breeding and these tests are very expensive. Responsible breeders are first and foremost interested in enhancing the breed and are always willing and capable of keeping every pup they breed if they are unable to get good homes.
When we got Molly I made sure that her papers and pedigree were all in order. I do have the time and facility to breed her if I wanted to and I know enough about the breed and breeding process to do this. The reason why I would not breed her is that she is just not a perfect example of the breed and I feel she would not enhance the breed. Now that is me saying that about my own dog!! She is a great companion, friend and a truely loyal member of our family!!
My advice to anyone interested in getting started in breeding, and everyone has to start somewhere, is to do your research and then think about it. Once you have the perfect KC registered pup which you feel will enhance the breed and you are ready to dedicate your LIFE to the breed then perhaps you can make the move!!
This is only my opinion and take from it what you like.

Denise wrote:I'm afraid dear if the breeder of your girl never registered the litter then you wont be able to obtain papers for her.
Her papers would of been handed to you as you collected your girl as a pup, the Kennel club does not post them to you, as at the time of registering a litter the breeder is the owner of all of them so the papers are sent to them, which he/she signs the back of so you can get transfer of ownership done.

Now to breeding, i am under no doubt your girl is a fantastic young lady, and perfect in every way.
But now lets look at her though a breeders eyes.
For a white stafford, she looks like she has good pigmentation, so she ticks that box.
Her teeth placement, does she have a scissor bite ( top row of front teeth over lap slightly the lower row of teeth)
If she doesn't then breeding is still an option, but you now need to select a stud with a perfect month and also one that produces them too.
Now too her ear carriage, not the best if you are wishing to breed too the standard, i know ear carriage has no reflection on the health of a dog, but the stafford has a blue print that the Kennel club asks breeders to follow and a rose ear is the favoured carriage.
Another very important issue is is your girl health tested, by this i dont mean a health check by your vets, i mean the DNA blood tests ( L2hga & HC ) that are carried out by the AHT ( animal health trust) plus has she had a PHPV eye test ?
If the answer to these is no, then you need to get these done 1st.
Now i'm not going to tell you not to breed, cause if your hearts set on it your go ahead and do it any way.
What i will do is out line the ups and downs of breeding.
Having pups is lovely, but it can be a major head ache too.
You select your stud, in your case the option of using any top KC studs out there is blown out the window as these breeders/owners wont allow their studs to cover an unregistered female ... so your now have to look for the unreg ones and hope they are health tested too ( not all are).
You find your stud, now you need to know when you female is ready to mate. Some females its any where from day 10 some its even later.
Mating 2 dogs is not plane sailing, a maiden female has no idea about mating, and the same applies to some maiden studs, humping a pillow or a teddy is nothing like the real thing, as a teddy or a pillow dont bite back
Just leaving them to it in the back garden does'nt always work and you need to be hands on sometimes ... in other words using hands to guide him in, and holding both dogs if a tie happens.
Ok matings done and dusted, now you have to try and keep your female calm, as some females are nutters and their constant jumping and diving around could abort a litter even before you know shes pregnant.
Her diet must be improved too, but she mustn't be over fed, exercised but make sure she dont over do it.
A puppy waiting list should now be in place, but dont count on these ppl as its well known for ppl to drop out or change their mind once the litters on the ground.
During pregnancy expect to get a few more grey hairs due to the worrying and panicking moments your start to experience. Even the most experienced breeder gets them too.
You worry about the birth, will it all go smoothly, will i be able to recognize that my females in trouble and needs the vets.
Will my bank balance support a hefty vet fee if my girl needs a C section. What do i do if one of the pups is not breathing or is still born .. what do i do with the body.
What if ones born deformed, or its stomach is born on the outside but its still alive ( it has happened so thats why i've added it)
Deformed pups whether its a cleft palate or born with any other form of deformity, down to no anal hole have to be pts, these pups receive the lethal injections to the heart, as their veins are too small and its a very upsetting sight.
Why am i telling you this ... well theres no point me just pointing out the nice bits as you need to be prepared for the worst happening, and that could even involve losing the whole litter and your girl too.
Its a gamble every breeder takes.
Lets say the litters been born, you may of lost one you may not have. The 1st couple of weeks the mother does every thing, but its your duty to make sure shes getting enough food and fluid, as not enough she may stop producing milk and now you have to hand rear the whole litter plus toilet them as they cant relieve themselves with out simulation, or she may get eclampsia ( milk fever ).
As the pups get older they become eating sleeping shitting machines, and OMG do they produce alot of waste, which they walk or skid in if you are not quick enough to clear it up. You will be begging all family members plus friends to save their newspapers for you.
Your washing machine will be wonder whats happened as it will be on the go constantly washing dirty puppy bedding.
Forget about having a lie in as thats knocked on the head, cause as soon as there's day light the buggers are screaming their little heads off or ripping in to each other with their fights, and believe me Stafford pups do fight and in their own little way they mean it and its not unheard of for them to badly hurt each other if not stopped.
You have this till they leave at 8wks thats if they all have new homes to go to. Some may not have and as you bought them into this world its your irresponsibility to care and look after them till that A star home turns up and not palm them off onto rescue as you cant find homes for them like some one time breeders do.
Once the pups have flown the nest your irresponsibility to them does not end there, for the life of that pup it will be you these new owners turn too, and if they need to rehome their pup its you as the breeder that has to take it back, and re-home it from yours or help the owner find a home if taking the pup/adult dog back is not possible.

I have only skimmed the surface on breeding, but now its up to you, go ahead who am i to say dont but weigh up the pros and cons and have a long hard think before you leap into this.

*Lynne* wrote:Very informative post Denise. Really raised a lot of issues I would never have thought about but then again I have never felt the desire to breed. Just one thing, you have used 'irresponsibility' in several places although it is clear that you mean 'responsibility'.

Denise wrote:I'm afraid dear if the breeder of your girl never registered the litter then you wont be able to obtain papers for her.
Her papers would of been handed to you as you collected your girl as a pup, the Kennel club does not post them to you, as at the time of registering a litter the breeder is the owner of all of them so the papers are sent to them, which he/she signs the back of so you can get transfer of ownership done.

Now to breeding, i am under no doubt your girl is a fantastic young lady, and perfect in every way.
But now lets look at her though a breeders eyes.
For a white stafford, she looks like she has good pigmentation, so she ticks that box.
Her teeth placement, does she have a scissor bite ( top row of front teeth over lap slightly the lower row of teeth)
If she doesn't then breeding is still an option, but you now need to select a stud with a perfect month and also one that produces them too.
Now too her ear carriage, not the best if you are wishing to breed too the standard, i know ear carriage has no reflection on the health of a dog, but the stafford has a blue print that the Kennel club asks breeders to follow and a rose ear is the favoured carriage.
Another very important issue is is your girl health tested, by this i dont mean a health check by your vets, i mean the DNA blood tests ( L2hga & HC ) that are carried out by the AHT ( animal health trust) plus has she had a PHPV eye test ?
If the answer to these is no, then you need to get these done 1st.
Now i'm not going to tell you not to breed, cause if your hearts set on it your go ahead and do it any way.
What i will do is out line the ups and downs of breeding.
Having pups is lovely, but it can be a major head ache too.
You select your stud, in your case the option of using any top KC studs out there is blown out the window as these breeders/owners wont allow their studs to cover an unregistered female ... so your now have to look for the unreg ones and hope they are health tested too ( not all are).
You find your stud, now you need to know when you female is ready to mate. Some females its any where from day 10 some its even later.
Mating 2 dogs is not plane sailing, a maiden female has no idea about mating, and the same applies to some maiden studs, humping a pillow or a teddy is nothing like the real thing, as a teddy or a pillow dont bite back
Just leaving them to it in the back garden does'nt always work and you need to be hands on sometimes ... in other words using hands to guide him in, and holding both dogs if a tie happens.
Ok matings done and dusted, now you have to try and keep your female calm, as some females are nutters and their constant jumping and diving around could abort a litter even before you know shes pregnant.
Her diet must be improved too, but she mustn't be over fed, exercised but make sure she dont over do it.
A puppy waiting list should now be in place, but dont count on these ppl as its well known for ppl to drop out or change their mind once the litters on the ground.
During pregnancy expect to get a few more grey hairs due to the worrying and panicking moments your start to experience. Even the most experienced breeder gets them too.
You worry about the birth, will it all go smoothly, will i be able to recognize that my females in trouble and needs the vets.
Will my bank balance support a hefty vet fee if my girl needs a C section. What do i do if one of the pups is not breathing or is still born .. what do i do with the body.
What if ones born deformed, or its stomach is born on the outside but its still alive ( it has happened so thats why i've added it)
Deformed pups whether its a cleft palate or born with any other form of deformity, down to no anal hole have to be pts, these pups receive the lethal injections to the heart, as their veins are too small and its a very upsetting sight.
Why am i telling you this ... well theres no point me just pointing out the nice bits as you need to be prepared for the worst happening, and that could even involve losing the whole litter and your girl too.
Its a gamble every breeder takes.
Lets say the litters been born, you may of lost one you may not have. The 1st couple of weeks the mother does every thing, but its your duty to make sure shes getting enough food and fluid, as not enough she may stop producing milk and now you have to hand rear the whole litter plus toilet them as they cant relieve themselves with out simulation, or she may get eclampsia ( milk fever ).
As the pups get older they become eating sleeping shitting machines, and OMG do they produce alot of waste, which they walk or skid in if you are not quick enough to clear it up. You will be begging all family members plus friends to save their newspapers for you.
Your washing machine will be wonder whats happened as it will be on the go constantly washing dirty puppy bedding.
Forget about having a lie in as thats knocked on the head, cause as soon as there's day light the buggers are screaming their little heads off or ripping in to each other with their fights, and believe me Stafford pups do fight and in their own little way they mean it and its not unheard of for them to badly hurt each other if not stopped.
You have this till they leave at 8wks thats if they all have new homes to go to. Some may not have and as you bought them into this world its your responsibility to care and look after them till that A star home turns up and not palm them off onto rescue as you cant find homes for them like some one time breeders do.
Once the pups have flown the nest your responsibility to them does not end there, for the life of that pup it will be you these new owners turn too, and if they need to rehome their pup its you as the breeder that has to take it back, and re-home it from yours or help the owner find a home if taking the pup/adult dog back is not possible.

I have only skimmed the surface on breeding, but now its up to you, go ahead who am i to say dont but weigh up the pros and cons and have a long hard think before you leap into this.

Steph&Sash wrote:
Its nice to be given advice as to why I shouldn't breed then being told not to.

Dave wrote:

Steph&Sash wrote:
Its nice to be given advice as to why I shouldn't breed then being told not to.

Sorry if it's come out like that it is our hope to educate and not judge , but let's just say certain things can trigger a big reaction on here for past reasons and due to the current situation and that is 1 of them , sorry if it comes out like it does but it is only because we dearly love our breed ><

Denise wrote:They are little hooligans and just image 1st thing in the morning you want your morning cuppa or Coffee but the kids want out of the pen to play and young pups have a good set of lungs on them believe me
You dont want to risk waking the whole house up or the neighbour hood, so you let the little demons out, thats it you now have X amount of puppies hanging off one PJ trouser leg, and X amount off the other as you shuffle along dragging pups around the kitchen with you as you try and make a cuppa

Steph&Sash wrote:
Its nice to be given advice as to why I shouldn't breed then being told not to.