staffie and getting his bits choped off

hey people well iam in a argument with the g,f over getting my staffies bits cut off wen he gets to about 7 month old. i dont want to breed him because his not a show dog and iam not in it for the money. anywayz she said that it will effect his growth and make him get fat like it does in bitches is this true. plus he wont get testicular cancer

7 months is far to early to be gettin him castrated my vet wont even consider untill 10 months old thats when i will be making my desision on the subject.
then i think i will be leaving it untill he at least gettin his first year under his belt

oh i got told 6 month. i dont know much about it. i dont want him to get all fat and change his personailty but then again i dont want him to get frustrated lol

bitches you can get done after there first season which is around 6 months
but dogs you need to wait untill there testicles have fully desended and all tissues round the groin have matured

It is true it does affect a staffys growth if they get done before there fully grown when they have them chopped it stops the testorone which gives them muscle build and makes them bulk out the size of kaiser to his brothers who have had the chop is a big difference. Also i was amazed on sunday ran into someone who had there bitch off a lead in season too and she was practically begging for it and kaiser wasnt interested i was shocked because he hadnt been done. From what i have seen with staffys the one with there testicles are usually bigger than the ones that have had the chop young

youngkaiser wrote:It is true it does affect a staffys growth if they get done before there fully grown when they have them chopped it stops the testorone which gives them muscle build and makes them bulk out the size of kaiser to his brothers who have had the chop is a big difference. Also i was amazed on sunday ran into someone who had there bitch off a lead in season too and she was practically begging for it and kaiser wasnt interested i was shocked because he hadnt been done. From what i have seen with staffys the one with there testicles are usually bigger than the ones that have had the chop young

Ha ha a male with standards only joking lol

I would suggest getting him done when he is old enough no dog is the same sure thing so he might change or might not, I would want a dog with a mind of his own not full of testorone, males have been known for running themselves into the ground their mind full of chemicals is saying keep going and the body can not take it, and it cuts out completly the scare of testicle cancer and un wanted pups if he gets out etc.

I'm getting my pup done as soon as he is fully grown and mature. I think it'll be at about 18 months. But if he starts showing aggression or roaming, I'd consider doing it a little earlier. I just want to do best by him

lol @milly-moo

Every dogs different but in all honesty kaiser has been fine i wont get him done as a love him just the way he is and wouldnt want him to change

Deano is 6 months on the 3rd December or 25 weeks which ever way yu want to put it and he should be getting done in the next couple of weeks, but due to his nervous side he is going through at the moment the TBA at work has reccomended sorting that out first before getting him done as I need to be able to mix him with as many dogs as possible and with him being out of action fro 10 days will only set him back more. Plue the testosterone should help boost his confidence.

Had he not have been going through this nervous stage he would have been done in 2 weeks.

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Oh, dear, my pet subject!

Personally I would not neuter a dog unless there was a medical reason. I've never found un-neutered dogs a problem although I realise that for some they may be.

However, if you are going to get your dog neutered you should wait until he/she is mature, ie around 18 months - 2 years old. This is because the dog and the bitch both need the hormones that are released in order to grow properly & develop their masculine/feminine characteristics. Early neutering can lead to incontinence, lack of growth & fear agression (because the dog has not matured enough to be self-confident).

This is a site I've found to be quite helpful on the subject............

http://www.doglistener.co.uk/medical/neuter.shtml

Think il wait to 18 months then thanka for replys great help you lot

just remembered one of the reasons the vet doesnot like you castrate before 10months is it can turn back a dog to sqauting when peeing instead of cocking his leg ???????????

Caryll wrote:Oh, dear, my pet subject!

Personally I would not neuter a dog unless there was a medical reason. I've never found un-neutered dogs a problem although I realise that for some they may be.

However, if you are going to get your dog neutered you should wait until he/she is mature, ie around 18 months - 2 years old. This is because the dog and the bitch both need the hormones that are released in order to grow properly & develop their masculine/feminine characteristics. Early neutering can lead to incontinence, lack of growth & fear agression (because the dog has not matured enough to be self-confident).

This is a site I've found to be quite helpful on the subject............

http://www.doglistener.co.uk/medical/neuter.shtml

This is what i thought u wrote it better than me though lol

Caryll wrote:Oh, dear, my pet subject!

Personally I would not neuter a dog unless there was a medical reason. I've never found un-neutered dogs a problem although I realise that for some they may be.

However, if you are going to get your dog neutered you should wait until he/she is mature, ie around 18 months - 2 years old. This is because the dog and the bitch both need the hormones that are released in order to grow properly & develop their masculine/feminine characteristics. Early neutering can lead to incontinence, lack of growth & fear agression (because the dog has not matured enough to be self-confident).

This is a site I've found to be quite helpful on the subject............

http://www.doglistener.co.uk/medical/neuter.shtml

I have just followed the link and read the article, and I will be waiting until Charlie is about 18 months to neuter him. It was a very balanced article, showing the pros and cons of spaying and neutering. Thanks for that Caryll, very helpful

Can i just add there is no medical evidence to say they cant be done at 6 months my Ty was and Kaos will be done at 7 (only coz we r waiting till after xmas lol) otherwise he would be 6 months as well. The people who are saying no or are saying wait till 18 months etc dont no anything u dont its just thier opinions! It doesnt affect their growth at all, how could it?!? It will only make him a less fustrated and happier dog imo!
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Oh, Blaze, is does affect them. The hormones that make them adult will never appear & they will therefore never be fully self-confident, which can lead to fear-aggression. I'm not saying that's the case in every dog, but it has been proven to be a problem. Also, males never fully become male & females never fully become females which can lead to other dogs being aggressive towards them. I understand where you're coming from, you don't want them to breed unwanted pups. I understand that, but surely another year of being careful won't harm anyone, and it will help the dogs become adult & self-confident.

Irresponsible people won't bother to get their dogs done, so you're preaching to the converted here. The responsible owner will keep their dog under control & will not allow it to breed unless it is a planned litter. And yes, there is still room for good, planned litters. If not, then the whole of the stafford breed will die out!

I've had dogs & bitches, all un-neutered & can honestly say that I've never had any problems controling their urges. They have all been happy, un-stressed dogs. Yes, a bitch's season is a nuisance but that's only for 3 or 4 weeks every 6 months, and if you're going to spay at 18 months then the chances are she'll only have 2 seasons anyway. That isn't much to ask.

blaze666 wrote:Can i just add there is no medical evidence to say they cant be done at 6 months my Ty was and Kaos will be done at 7 (only coz we r waiting till after xmas lol) otherwise he would be 6 months as well. The people who are saying no or are saying wait till 18 months etc dont no anything u dont its just thier opinions! It doesnt affect their growth at all, how could it?!? It will only make him a less fustrated and happier dog imo!
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blaze i agree with you there, i was talking to our vet 20mins ago when i brought pixie down for his final check up, i asked when is the best time to get dogs neutered and spayed, he said that he recommends getting a bitch done after her first season which is usually around 6 months, and the same age for a male, it doesn't affect their growth in anyway what so ever. it just stops the dogs body producing testosterone and pheromones these are chemicals that tell the dogs brain to start her heat cycle, and testosterone chemicals tell the male dog its time to breed with a female.

I hear you Shane, but my own vet disagrees with this. Although they will spay/castrate early if asked to, they recommend at least 2 seasons for a bitch & 18 months for a dog unless there are health reasons.

different vets may have different options on when to neuter and spay, but i agree with blaze going on what my vet told me this morning it doesn't affect their growth in any way what so ever, it just stops the brain from producing the sexual chemicals it does not affect any of the dogs other chemicals, eg, growth hormones, thats all im trying too say.

Yes, but the sexual hormones regulate whether the dog will be male or female, and also have an impact on self confidence/assurance. A dog/bitch that has been allowed to mature first before neutering will be a happier dog in the long run. As I said, another 12 months at the most shouldn't be too much to ask for a responsible owner.

Caryll wrote:Yes, but the sexual hormones regulate whether the dog will be male or female, and also have an impact on self confidence/assurance. A dog/bitch that has been allowed to mature first before neutering will be a happier dog in the long run. As I said, another 12 months at the most shouldn't be too much to ask for a responsible owner.

how do mean when i dog is born its either male or female getting them neutered or spayed only represses their sexual desire, it doesn't change their sexual gender

Oh Man! You guys are completely confusing me. I've thought alot about this and want what's best for my boy, but everyone has completely opposite opinions as to when it should be done. I will definitely have him done, there's no question in my mind about that, but it's the when that I am confused about. But that article that you put up the link for Caryll offers a very unbiased opinion backed up by medical facts. Maybe everyone should take a look at it and ten make up their minds. This is such a hot topic that alot of people feel strongly about.

Shontelle wrote:Oh Man! You guys are completely confusing me. I've thought alot about this and want what's best for my boy, but everyone has completely opposite opinions as to when it should be done. I will definitely have him done, there's no question in my mind about that, but it's the when that I am confused about. But that article that you put up the link for Caryll offers a very unbiased opinion backed up by medical facts. Maybe everyone should take a look at it and ten make up their minds. This is such a hot topic that alot of people feel strongly about.

Ive read that link don't believe everything you see on the net, if you're confused just go to the vet he will put you right.

I've taken Stan Rawlinson's advice on board, and I will also be asking my vet for his take on it when I take Charlie for his first check up. I think really, to play it safe, if you want to get them neutered, get them neutered, but if you're worried about the medical issues, play it safe and wait til they're mature if you're really not sure. As long as we are responsible and cautious, there won't be any accidental matings, and we'll have the peace of mind knowing that if there is any medical issues with having them done at a young age, we'll be avoiding that by waiting and not adding to the problem of indiscriminate mating and shelter dogs by being a good owner.

blaze666 wrote:Can i just add there is no medical evidence to say they cant be done at 6 months my Ty was and Kaos will be done at 7 (only coz we r waiting till after xmas lol) otherwise he would be 6 months as well. The people who are saying no or are saying wait till 18 months etc dont no anything u dont its just thier opinions! It doesnt affect their growth at all, how could it?!? It will only make him a less fustrated and happier dog imo!
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Very True.

shane wrote:

Caryll wrote:Yes, but the sexual hormones regulate whether the dog will be male or female, and also have an impact on self confidence/assurance. A dog/bitch that has been allowed to mature first before neutering will be a happier dog in the long run. As I said, another 12 months at the most shouldn't be too much to ask for a responsible owner.

how do mean when i dog is born its either male or female getting them neutered or spayed only represses their sexual desire, it doesn't change their sexual gender

I don't mean their actual gender. I mean the characteristics that make them masculine or feminine. For example, a boy, until puberty, has a high voice & boys & girls have virtually the same shape (apart from the genitals). Once puberty is over, boys (mainly!) are more masculine & girls are more feminine.

shane wrote:

Shontelle wrote:Oh Man! You guys are completely confusing me. I've thought alot about this and want what's best for my boy, but everyone has completely opposite opinions as to when it should be done. I will definitely have him done, there's no question in my mind about that, but it's the when that I am confused about. But that article that you put up the link for Caryll offers a very unbiased opinion backed up by medical facts. Maybe everyone should take a look at it and ten make up their minds. This is such a hot topic that alot of people feel strongly about.

Ive read that link don't believe everything you see on the net, if you're confused just go to the vet he will put you right.

Yes, and vets differ in opinions as well. Also, SOME vets ( I stress SOME) want you to get your dog neutered asap, because they know that SOME owners won't bother at a later date & so they'll lose the cash. I know that's a very dismal view of some vets, but I'm afraid it's also too true.

Oh dear. I think I'm going to stick with the original plan of havin him done at around 18 months and just be very careful with him in the meantime. t least I'll know that I've given him time to mature and become the dog he's meant to be.

look everyone will have different opinions on this subject, if in doubt ask your vet, that link from the dog listener was compiled over ten years ago, so i wouldn't be going by that if you want more recent opinions ask your vet,

[quote="Caryll"]Oh, Blaze, is does affect them. The hormones that make them adult will never appear & they will therefore never be fully self-confident, which can lead to fear-aggression. I'm not saying that's the case in every dog, but it has been proven to be a problem. Also, males never fully become male & females never fully become females which can lead to other dogs being aggressive towards them. I understand where you're coming from, you don't want them to breed unwanted pups.and it will help the dogs become adult & self-confident.

BS sorry but it is. neutering early leads to none of these unless they were like it already, they don't become male or female?. there are still hormones rushing around the dogs/bitchs body their just not eough to be clouding its judgment anymore. as for confidence building aggression fear those are things the owner should be able to work out but neutering does not cause it.

shane wrote:look everyone will have different opinions on this subject, if in doubt ask your vet, that link from the dog listener was compiled over ten years ago, so i wouldn't be going by that if you want more recent opinions ask your vet,

MissRogue wrote:

blaze666 wrote:Can i just add there is no medical evidence to say they cant be done at 6 months my Ty was and Kaos will be done at 7 (only coz we r waiting till after xmas lol) otherwise he would be 6 months as well. The people who are saying no or are saying wait till 18 months etc dont no anything u dont its just thier opinions! It doesnt affect their growth at all, how could it?!? It will only make him a less fustrated and happier dog imo!
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Very True.

i personaly think it to early and miss rogue if you agreed so much how did you end up with pups???

bigwazza wrote:

MissRogue wrote:

blaze666 wrote:Can i just add there is no medical evidence to say they cant be done at 6 months my Ty was and Kaos will be done at 7 (only coz we r waiting till after xmas lol) otherwise he would be 6 months as well. The people who are saying no or are saying wait till 18 months etc dont no anything u dont its just thier opinions! It doesnt affect their growth at all, how could it?!? It will only make him a less fustrated and happier dog imo!
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Very True.

i personaly think it to early and miss rogue if you agreed so much how did you end up with pups???

I was misled i was told cassie was way younger than she was only four months she looked older but i was stupid and trusted the guy i got her off and the vet card. and my vet wouldn't spay until 51/2 months

I can see where your coming from about the age of neturing (although i still think 6/7 months is fine) but i have no idea what your talking about when u say having a male dog netured makes them more feminine or what ever it was u said can i ask where u got this information as personally i have never heard anything like it in my life........

blaze666 wrote:I can see where your coming from about the age of neturing (although i still think 6/7 months is fine) but i have no idea what your talking about when u say having a male dog netured makes them more feminine or what ever it was u said can i ask where u got this information as personally i have never heard anything like it in my life........

who are you refering too?

caryll

blaze666 wrote:I can see where your coming from about the age of neturing (although i still think 6/7 months is fine) but i have no idea what your talking about when u say having a male dog netured makes them more feminine or what ever it was u said can i ask where u got this information as personally i have never heard anything like it in my life........

It doesn't make a dog less masculine or female less feminine. What it does do (and it's a subtle difference) is it stops them becoming more masculine or feminine. And while that may be a desired effect with a dog, why on earth would anyone want a bitch to be less feminine than she should be?

As I've said before, I'm certainly not against neutering, far from it (although it isn't for me) it's just the age.

[quote="Caryll"]

blaze666 wrote:I can see where your coming from about the age of neturing (although i still think 6/7 months is fine) but i have no idea what your talking about when u say having a male dog netured makes them more feminine or what ever it was u said can i ask where u got this information as personally i have never heard anything like it in my life........

It doesn't make a dog less masculine or female less feminine. What it does do (and it's a subtle difference) is it stops them becoming more masculine or feminine. And while that may be a desired effect with a dog, why on earth would anyone want a bitch to be less feminine than she should be?

As I've said before, I'm certainly not against neutering, far from it (although it isn't for me) it's just the age.[/quote

As i said before i completely see where u are coming from with the age thing although i dont agree myself lol but to be truthful i couldnt disagree more with the rest of what ur saying im really stuggling to understand how (foristance) dempsey is more (or will be more) masculine then say Ty because of neturing. All castrating does is take the urge to mate away and generally leaves dogs feeling less fustrated and without certain urges it in no way affects the masculinity of the dog, it just makes them calmer.....

Well, as we've all said before, we'll never agree. The sex hormones promote masculinity & femininity as well as the capability of reproduction.

I get tired of arguing the point, but I suppose I'll carry on till I'm blue in the face because, believe it or not, I'm as passionate about a dog's welfare as you are.

With dogs it's a mental issue as much as a physical one.

Your point is once again noted lol but completley disagreed with!

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ha ha its well documented the differances on this subject we have got .
but i must say this has been handled with a high level of mature attitude
when i first saw the post i was thinking oooo no not again and was looking for the fallout shelter keys but i must say the replys have been verry amicable well done everyone

haha >< of course ><

thats the great thing about this forum there is a lot of us who are all passionate about the breed but all with different opinions and lets be honest they are all only opinions after all but its great 2 hear them all anyway! Ive learnt this more than most i must addmit though lol xx

scott61985 wrote:oh i got told 6 month. i dont know much about it. i dont want him to get all fat and change his personailty but then again i dont want him to get frustrated lol

Both my boys got fixed at 6 months old and they were the same as they were before as they were after- Nitro was his calm laid back self while Harley is his same hyper self.

As for weighti think that has to do with the breeding and food etc rather than being fixed. Besides it's best for them. My sister in law(mega bi**h) told me i had no right to get MY staffy fixed as she wanted to use him for breeding(they had a white male staffy but no-one wanted to mate with a white one).

Have to agree with Caryll on this one. I understand why people choose to neuter my vet thinks its the answer to everything. my bitch is neutered she hated seasons so thought it was best for her. The dog isnt and I dont think there is any need to he is happy the way he is.