crate training advice please

my eleven week old boy, Buddy, is being crate trained as he will be left for a couple of hours morning and afternoon each day and I heard toilet training is easier this way .. well he goes to bed at 10.00pm and stays fast asleep until 5.30 ish I let him out his crate is dry and he runs off into the garden and does a wee - has breakfast and I take him out for number twos..

we have a play for an hour or so and then he goes out again or he uses the puppy pad by the door and I put him in his crate he makes no fuss and goes to sleep but when I come in two hours later he has weed in his crate on his bed .. sometimes he does it in the afternoon as well , I asked the breeder and he said he used to put puppy pad in the crate with the litter .. as his crate is not big enough to do this I have borrowed a doggy play pen which is large enough for a blanket some toys and a puppy pad - I put him in it whilst I was in to see his response he snuggled on his blanket and napped got up-walked all round and weed on his blanket ..didn't even look at the pad -he uses them in the house if I do not notice he needs to go so he knows what they are for .

if the pen is open and he is outplaying he will go in and wee on the puppy pad or ask to go out - if he is dry in his crate at night why this behaviour during the day the time he is being left is much shorter than his night sleep and makes no fuss when left

Any ideas- ideally I would just like to get a slightly larger crate he can use to play and have his own space as well as sleep in rather than a pen and a crate - he is so good at night the days are just a mystery ?

Sounds to me like he hasn't quiet got the idea that pads are for that purpose. Do you let him out last thing before he goes to sleep in his crate ?

If you do, then this is probably why he's ok at night so you might want to apply the same thing just before you leave him during the day. As frustrating as it seems just now he will get the hang of where and when to go especially if you can catch him and get him outside before he goes inside.

I'm sure others who have a young one will be along to offer their experiences too

My pup will go in his crate 4 a sleep wen he comes out I put him straight outside and does his buisness, but sometimes he goes out then still wees on my floor very frustrating lol his bed is dry every night but still has mistakes around the house I try cleaning products on my floor to stop him smelling his wee, why not try washing his bedding so he can't smell it on there?

Just give the puppy time he will have the odd accident

Maybe he's getting confused being told to go outside and using pads indoor, my Iza did in the end i done away with the pads and just kept taking her outside every so often.

Still very young and bladder control is weak, give him time sounds like he is doing very well really

Same I think it will confuse him more if u put a pad in where he sleeps I'd just keep putting him out as often as you can

I disagree with the breeder as far as a pad in the crate. With the pen and the pads you're encouraging him to go inside, you'll then have to train that out of him.
Maybe him going in his bed is through excitement when he hears you come home.

I was always under the impression that you get a crate big enough for them to move around in but small enough so that they don't have space to go to the toilet. As they wouldn't naturally toilet in their sleeping area, putting a puppy pad in the crate may confuse him?

Could it be that by the time night comes, he would have had a full day of exciting things and getting tired so more likely to sleep through. Where as during the day he will just nap, so much more easily disturbed and more likely to have accidents? He is still very young and often won't have full bladder control until about 6 months. I would say he is doing very well

Just be sure to wash and clean up his wee really thoroughly as with certain cleaning products, it may look and smell clean to you but he will still be able to smell it and just associate the smell with where he needs to go.

thanks every one I guess I am expecting a little too much from him ... been a long time since I had a puppy to train . I have stopped putting him in the pen and I have kept him in a small crate with no room for a pad , I only have one pad by the door as I have two doors to open to let him out and he cant always wait for both to get opened, he continues to be ok during the night ,but still weeing on his bed during the day ... I have started leaving the crate open but taking the bed out just in case - I think maybe he is a bit like a child he gets engrossed in play and forgets he needs to go and then its too late -I think perseverance is the key.. will let you know how he gets on..

I think it's just a case of training it out of him cz of the breeder allowing him to wee where he sleeps, sure he will get the hang of it