if all KC breeder or BYB bred better

do you think our babie would be with us longer or becasue their size the avg would be 12 year?

Its hard to say but possibly. I know with the Dogo argentinos, they die very young due to the breeding. Immune and heart issues seem to be the main cause of death and our longest living boy was 8 years before he passed away (immune issues). Too many Dogos I've known have passed away by the age of 4 and 2 of mine at the 2.5 year mark because their immune system couldn't fight off infection. Living to 12 years is a pretty good run I think.

I get really confused with this because most of the staffies I've known have lives to 15/16 so I always thought that was the average! They've been a mix of BYB and pedigree. It was always said that pedigree dogs were less healthy, but I think that counts more towards the breeds more prone to genetic conditions (King Charles etc) would love it if they lived as long as smaller terriers my step mums terriers all lived to 19+

My brothers old girl was kc registered and lived until she was 18! It's hard to say xx

Rachel33 wrote:I get really confused with this because most of the staffies I've known have lives to 15/16 so I always thought that was the average! They've been a mix of BYB and pedigree. It was always said that pedigree dogs were less healthy, but I think that counts more towards the breeds more prone to genetic conditions (King Charles etc) would love it if they lived as long as smaller terriers :)my step mums terriers all lived to 19+

that nasty genetic conditions in King Charles has been found in some lines of staffies

Oh I remember you saying!! Jeez :/

i think it's down to bad kc breeder and inbreeding.

It seems to be temperament comes off worse in BYB dogs, and serious health problems in kc breeding. Plus who the BYB's are selling them to, not usually the sort of people that can reign in that temperament safely.

it's joke isn't it rach

It is indeed! Apparently in Norway they don't even spay/neuter dogs and still don't have an over population problem! They have to import dogs from other places for people to rescue. I think the problem in this country is that people see breeding as a way to make a living, and no thought goes into anything other than looks and how easy they'll sell!

yea we have a socially problem with BYB who breed for the sake of it & kc breeder who dont care about health becasue they only dogs   it get me mad at times

It's very sad Steve it's breaks my heart all our babies in rescue because of over breeding and the others poorly belie cause of bad breeding xx

there should be an new group that does an database of good healthy dogs line... but it all come down to money... kennel club will never stop inbreeding becasue to many crap breeders will leave so they will lose money...

Very true Steve it's all about the money with the kc and byb

Do larger breeds of dogs usually live for less years that smaller ones ? i have heard this but not sure how true it is.

i think they do great danes avg age is only 10

Kathy wrote:Do larger breeds of dogs usually live for less years that smaller ones ? i have heard this but not sure how true it is.

From what we understand larger breeds do live less than than smaller ones. One of the reasons our daughter wanted a small dog like a staffy is because they will live longer than a large breed like the dogo or rottweiler.

Yes I think some larger breeds only have an average age or 7/8  

Kathy wrote:Do larger breeds of dogs usually live for less years that smaller ones ? i have heard this but not sure how true it is.

My In-laws Bloodhounds aren't expected to live much beyond 8.
I think it's down to how hard the heart has to work to get blood around such a large body.

I am very surprised that the King Charles health issue has been identified in certain SBT Lines, I have never heard this.

The KC Spaniel problems were caused by Breeders trying to meet Standard and Judge preference for (exagerated over years) small heads. This caused the brain to be too large for the skull cavity.

Most if not all SBT Breeders aim for larger heads rather than smaller so I cannot understand how this issue would affect the SBT. I would be interested to see the source of this information.

-Ian- wrote:

Kathy wrote:Do larger breeds of dogs usually live for less years that smaller ones ? i have heard this but not sure how true it is.

My In-laws Bloodhounds aren't expected to live much beyond 8.
I think it's down to how hard the heart has to work to get blood around such a large body.

Wow, didn't think they had a short life expectancy. Wonder what the life expectancy of the British Bulldog is? Now that's a breed that has totally been ruined by the breeders! I've not seen one bulldog that has not made me shake my head in wonder as I listen to them try to breathe

And to think this was actually a not too bad looking dog originally.
The BBC documentary Pedigree Dogs Exposed (and the follow up Pedigree Dogs Exposed 3 Years On) really woke me up to whats happening and that there are some breeders are totally ruining certain breeds

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/magazine/can-the-bulldog-be-saved.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

The German Shepherd is another breed that I preferred what they originally looked like and BEFORE the breeders/showers ruined them. Absolutely hate the sloped hips which make them look like weak dogs and giving them major problems.




And today

TOP 10 LONGEST-LIVING DOG BREEDS

Not too sure how accurate this is but sounds like it could be spot on. My friend has a pug that is 14 and although she says he's slowed down a lot, he's still going strong.

http://www.petmd.com/dog/wellness/evr_dg_how_long_do_dogs_live
Not surprised about the 6 years of the Bulldog.

I so agree with DJStratton that the original dogs look so much better and obviously would suffer far less from health issues. You can almost see this just by looking at the dogs and the "deformities" that have been bred into the more recent dogs. Such a shame. I know that the KC have satrted to address some of these issues (as soon as TV Sponsorship withdrew their money) but there is a long way to go.

http://www.chihuahuaclubofamerica.com/health/syringomyelia/syringomyelia-and-chiari-malformation

there group in the uk doing research into it i cant be bothered to find it

Thanks for that Steve. I now understand that it is the breeding of SBTs with shorter heads that can cause the issue in the breed.

As the Breed Standard has not changed dramatically alot of the responsibilty must lie with Judges and there personal preference for shorter heads and breeders/owners for trying to please these judges and their preferences.

This penchant for abuse of Breed Standards by exaggerating features mentioned in Breed Standards would reduce drastically if show judges were instructed by KC to shy away from favouring shorter headed dogs.

Scarey, SBT could end up as the new Bull Dogs and all the issues that they suffer.

Steve wrote:http://www.chihuahuaclubofamerica.com/health/syringomyelia/syringomyelia-and-chiari-malformation

there group in the uk doing research into it i cant be bothered to find it

I don't know if I'm the only one it didn't open for but I also found this link http://www.dogheirs.com/dogheirs/posts/58-chiari-malformation-and-syringomyelia-symptoms
with great information of things for owners to look out for.


Check this out:
Any breed or cross-breed may be screened under the scheme, but there are a number of breeds where the conditions are known to occur in the breed. These breeds include: Affenpinschers, Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, Chihuahua, Griffon Bruxellois, Havanese, King Charles Spaniel, Maltese, Papillons, Pomeranians, Toy breed crosses, Yorkshire Terrier, and rarely in Boston Terriers and Staffordshire Bull Terriers. Participation in the scheme is voluntary.

http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/health/health-information-and-resources/health-schemes-and-programmes/bvakc-health-schemes/bvakc-chiari-malformationsyringomyelia-scheme/#sthash.BWRI2rAL.dpuf
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/health/health-information-and-resources/health-schemes-and-programmes/bvakc-health-schemes/bvakc-chiari-malformationsyringomyelia-scheme/

http://www.bva.co.uk/public/documents/Chiari_Malformation_Syringomyelia_Scheme.pdf

http://www.veterinary-neurologist.co.uk/part1.htm