Getting a puppy

Hi
Its the first time I have been on here:) 
I've owned two dogs before; a Doberman ( male) and a Red Staff (male)
They grow up together and we had our Vinny (Dob) for 12 yrs and our Buster for 13 yrs.

Now after 5 years we have decided to get another dog which will be a blue staff.
We have a viewing next Friday to a small litter of three; very healthy looking girls.
The mum is a brindle; mostly brown/fawny with a little blue. "very cute, looks just like a lady"  
The father is a well known stud dog which I would name but I'm not sure if it will be allowed?- he is a very dark blue nearly black with a white chest. Both KC Registered.

If all goes well I will be bringing our Lucy home at the end of November, we will carry on feeding her the same food she is use too and then changing it slowly over 2 wks until she is fully onto Orijen for puppies.
Now my problem is... do I still go by her weight, look at the back of the bag to determine on how much I feed her or do I give her a little less to stop any discomfort in her tummy?
I'm thinking because she was a big puppy at birth it doesn't mean her insides will be able to cope with a larger amount of food for her age?

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Hi & welcome from Darcy & me

Have a read through this, it's not recommended to buy a puppy from 2 blue parents because of the health implications  :- http://staffy-bull-terrier.com/how_to_buy_a_dilution_colour_dog  

Any questions just ask

I moved your post to new member introductions so it'll get more views.

Hiya from me and Vinnie  

Hi from Ozzy n me

"Yes" I've heard talk about not using two blues for health reason.
But it has surprised me that these parents would be classed as two blues? The mother was brindle when she was born and only has a  shade of blue mixed in her brindle when the season goes into Autumn. "Through the summer no blue is showing? "
Her parents ( puppies grandparents) were... black (male) and the mother brindle.

And could you explain to me please, why are they able to get KC registration

Sue  

she is an blue brindle?

kc only interested in getting money it like they let inbred staffy to registerd.

have you done the inbred test?

give me the mum and dad KC names

http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/services/public/mateselect/kinship/Default.aspx?breed=3080

^^ this will tell how inbred the pups will be 5% or below are good lines anything over 10% i would think again

Hi there

My little man is 16% inbread and both his parents were blue! It is suggested that above 10 to 12 % can be unhealthy.

However if you read up in this the people telling you it's not great to have two blues mate are right to a point.

There isn't really enough evidence to prove any illness dude to two blues but apparently they can have skin problems. Please see the links from other users on my thread.

You also have the issues of the colour of the dog changing. Please see my thread an pictures, he was as blue as blue at 8 wks and now at 17 wks is brindal blue

My little man (Baloo) is as healthy as they come at almost 18 wks.

All in all if she has got good medical history in her blood line she should be ok.

;-)

Sorry the thread conversation was ( my 16 wk blue changing gold)

You'll find some good answers on there from others and links.

Best of luck

Hi and welcome to the forum from Rocky and me

CDA

https://staffy-bull-terrier.niceboard.com/t17716-colour-dilution-alopecia

^^^ red this ^^^

the more people breed 2 blue together there increase risk of your pups getthing this problem also this problem you can only manage it there no cure for it

OK I will start checking  

Hello and welcome to the forum from me an the kids

I can only echo what has been said already . You challenge any good Breeder and they will all tell you the same to get a good Blue then one parent must be Black. People , Breeders , including KC Reg Breeders know of the problems / risks associated with CDA , insist on going ahead anyway which is irresponsible because they think they know better than the majority , and all because they want Blue pups as they can sell them for more money , which is ridiculous in itself as you should not pay any more money for a Blue than you would for any other colour of well bred pup

Take our advice or ignore it , your choice

I have just done a quick check on KC site and type in her name and its come up as being tested for...
DNA test - HC-HSF4 Hereditary Clear 23/10/2011 -
DNA test - L-2HGA Hereditary Clear 23/10/2011 -
Don't have time to do the same on Ice Man - but will try to get this done later as I have to go out.
Speak later

Hi from the girlies and me

hia from me and sasha  

I've just read the link from Steve again and its a good read. In hindsight i defiantly would have contemplated this if I had seen it before buying from a blue on blue.

I think the conditions are from what I have read are fairly rare.

Echoid wrote:I've just read the link from Steve again and its a good read. In hindsight i defiantly would have contemplated this if I had seen it before buying from a blue on blue.

I think the conditions are from what I have read are fairly rare.

It's true that it is not guaranteed to happen but the problem is it is undetectable with any screening and can also pass through generations so just the fact that the parents look ok is not a guarantee .

The key to it all is the breeders that do this are not "good" breeders and have the money before the pups and i would never want to buy from someone like that if I had the knowledge . Regardless of the fact the dogs may ne KC reg they still fit in the BYB category . I unwittingly bought Tilly from one of these before I learned the error of my ways and fortunately for me up to now no problems but for sure I made every effort to make the best choice possible on getting no 2

(( wow)) Just got back in and I'm just wondering what I have started! >  

You have all given me plenty to think about  "thank you"
You might have stopped me from getting my fingers burnt, as well as making a very big hole in my pocket. (the puppy was expensive)

I think it might be best for me to have another look around and avoid blue dogs altogether. On saying this; it sounds as though I've been rushing into buying a puppy without any due thought, but I was always drawn to a black and white staff before I even thought of blue.

Looking for the right puppy as taken us 6 mths so far, maybe this will be third time lucky.

Hiya from me and Moo, I can't offer advise as I only rescue but you will great advise here from people that know. I wish you all the best in your search

Interesting

http://pdrock.m.webs.com/site/mobile?dm_path=%2Fhistoryoftheblue.htm&fw_sig_session_key=185c00316b7c7310a3bb20f47185e8f2388489935cc32c9e92c580e3e8bb027e-35991607&fw_sig_time=1381533494123&fw_sig_potential_abuse=1&fw_sig_tier=0&fw_sig_url=http://www.freewebs.com/pdrock/&fw_sig=4ec653b8f340c6dabdc18ec3e3b56249&fw_sig_social=1&fw_sig_api_key=522b0eedffc137c934fc7268582d53a1&fw_sig_permissions=none&fw_sig_permission_level=0&fw_sig_premium=0&fw_sig_access_token=67075b5e94a938c5aed0139516022f68f3f99a4d&fw_sig_site=35991607&fw_sig_is_admin=0&fb_sig_network=fw#1122

suzieJ wrote:I have just done a quick check on KC site  and type in her name and its come up as being tested for...
DNA test - HC-HSF4 Hereditary Clear 23/10/2011 -
DNA test - L-2HGA Hereditary Clear 23/10/2011 -
Don't have time to do the same on Ice Man - but will try to get this done later as I have to go out.
Speak later

Have you found the inbreeding coefficient?

No Caryll I haven't check on the inbreeding coefficient.
With info I have already gleaned on this forum and off the internet, it wouldn't seem right to go ahead and get one of these puppies with the knowledge I have now!

Echoid wrote:Interesting

http://pdrock.m.webs.com/site/mobile?dm_path=%2Fhistoryoftheblue.htm&fw_sig_session_key=185c00316b7c7310a3bb20f47185e8f2388489935cc32c9e92c580e3e8bb027e-35991607&fw_sig_time=1381533494123&fw_sig_potential_abuse=1&fw_sig_tier=0&fw_sig_url=http://www.freewebs.com/pdrock/&fw_sig=4ec653b8f340c6dabdc18ec3e3b56249&fw_sig_social=1&fw_sig_api_key=522b0eedffc137c934fc7268582d53a1&fw_sig_permissions=none&fw_sig_permission_level=0&fw_sig_premium=0&fw_sig_access_token=67075b5e94a938c5aed0139516022f68f3f99a4d&fw_sig_site=35991607&fw_sig_is_admin=0&fb_sig_network=fw#1122

They make the right points though I am in serious doubt about the history lesson and a little of the genetics

Do not breed for colour alone
Good Blues must have a Black behind them

suzieJ wrote:(( wow)) Just got back in and I'm just wondering what I have started! >  

You have all given me plenty to think about  "thank you"
You might have stopped me from getting my fingers burnt, as well as making a very big hole in my pocket. (the puppy was expensive)

I think it might be best for me to have another look around and avoid blue dogs altogether. On saying this; it sounds as though I've been rushing into buying a puppy without any due thought, but I was always drawn to a black and white staff before I even thought of blue.

Looking for the right puppy as taken us 6 mths so far, maybe this will be third time lucky.

Its really not difficult to find a Black Brindle with white staff or a Pied one for that matter , from what I've seen around the majority of the best examples are in this colour as they are definitely the most popularly bred aside blues with reds being in a little more of a minority but on the rise

EDIT - can I also ask how much you were being asked to pay ?? A guide on a good quality well reared KC pup would generally be around £ 600 and the price should be the same for all the litter not dependent upon markings or sex

Hi and welcome from me and daisy :-) I rescue but if I was to buy I would definitely be doing my research like you are, well done :-) you will find the right pup x

Hi SuzieJ

After all said and done, if you have your hart set on a beautiful little blue girl then you will do what your hart and mind are telling you ;-)

I no I have said a lot on your thread and to be honest I'm no expert only good at searching in google an listening to others more clued up :-)

This is my boy and he comes from two full blues and he is just fine and hope he will be for the future.

First day



And now 17wkd



What ever choice you make it will be right for you ;-)

Looking forward to seeing your new puppy pics ;-)

Echoid I agree, when you love your dog and they love you there is no going back and you would do anything for them ( smile)
Dave Add another (((£200)))

suzieJ wrote:Echoid I agree, when you love your dog and they love you there is no going back and you would do anything for them ( smile)
Dave Add another (((£200)))

They are solely charging you for colour sue not a good breeder IMO as Dave says there should be no difference in price regardless of colour a good well bread kc puppy is around £600

What a turn around... I won't say too much unless I put a spanner in the works.  But I think I have fallen in love with a black and white staff, won't really know until we meet each other tomorrow so fingers crossed?
The owner show's her dogs and is very keen on looking at the blood line before mating.We have talked over the phone and her blue staff has been mated with a black. "oh she is bloody gorgeous"
  sorry

From now on my lips are close....

Until tomorrow morning  

Hi and welcome from me and my two

hi from me and the boys

Just because some may be fine does not mean others will be. The chances are much higher. It is like two human dwarves having kids. The chance of dwarf children is MUCH higher, but they may and do have full size children.

Darcy-may wrote:

suzieJ wrote:Echoid I agree, when you love your dog and they love you there is no going back and you would do anything for them ( smile)
Dave Add another (((£200)))

They are solely charging you for colour sue not a good breeder IMO as Dave says there should be no difference in price regardless of colour a good well bread kc puppy is around £600  

Exactly. Confirmation and temperament should be the most important thing, colour should not matter at all.

Welcome from Rocky and I

Welcome from the kids and I

Hi and welcome to the forum from me and the zoo xx