The Reason I Don't Like Cesar Milan

I will have to look when I get home, can't watch at work

It's an eye-opener.

The more I learn about him, the worse he is.
Before getting a dog and being on this forum, I used to think sun shone out of his back.
Now thanks to the forum and actually taking notice of his programmes, I can see he is a bully, god know what goes on behind the scenes.

Is this the one of him kicking? I'm sorry if I've ruined it for those yet to watch, but I refuse to watch anything like this. I did however read about him kicking a dog on another forum I use, I was going to cross post, but forgot.

Thats BAD ...

I haven't ever watched him and after that certainly won't how on earth can that be passed as training???

Wow thats opened my eyes to him..what a *bleep*

Cornish-Muscle wrote:Is this the one of him kicking? I'm sorry if I've ruined it for those yet to watch, but I refuse to watch anything like this. I did however read about him kicking a dog on another forum I use, I was going to cross post, but forgot.

Yes, it is - a whole load of different situations where he kicks many dogs. And that's training?

The video's caused quite a stir on the GSD forum I post on (that's where I got it from); opinions very divided.

Whats there opinion??? Being nosey lol x

Some are disgusted by it, but others are saying that if it turns the dog around then it's acceptable. My reply to that is, if you train a dog through fear, then sooner or later it will overcome that fear & then you have problems!

Never looked at it like that! Personally think he is a tw*t, and thats only from opinions on here, as I don't think I have seen him!

I really dont know what to think as I beleive that animals, people have to be managed safely and if that means redirecting with a kick then its better to have that then be forced to be pts cause there is no control there.
I think he does understand the phychology of the dog and I saw him seperate 2 dogs fighting which he did very effectively so I dont know what to think really

But using a kick just masks the problem.

All he does is cover up a behaviour, the dogs shut down and they don't actually learn anything. The unwanted behaviour seems to disappear - until CM (or the person 'correcting') the dog goes away, then the dogs revert to how they were before - the reason for the behaviour is still there so the behaviour will reoccur.

Yes I get that but the owners who go to him do so because they are at there wits end and usually have tried other methods (well thats what tv say) I have seen many ways of calming people and animals and sometimes a softly approach doesnt work

Visit any dog rescue organisation, or any dog rescue web site and you will find cases of dogs being rehomed because of his techniques.

http://beyondcesarmillan.weebly.com/bristol-university.html

Taken from above:

"Dr Rachel Casey, Senior Lecturer in Companion Animal Behaviour and Welfare at Bristol University, said: “The blanket assumption that every dog is motivated by some innate desire to control people and other dogs is frankly ridiculous. It hugely underestimates the complex communicative and learning abilities of dogs. It also leads to the use of coercive training techniques, which compromise welfare, and actually cause problem behaviours.

“In our referral clinic we very often see dogs which have learnt to show aggression to avoid anticipated punishment. Owners are often horrified when we explain that their dog is terrified of them, and is showing aggression because of the techniques they have used – but its not their fault when they have been advised to do so, for example by unqualified ‘behaviourists’ recommending such techniques.”

At Dogs Trust, the UK’s largest dog welfare charity, rehoming centre staff see the results of misguided dog training all the time. Veterinary Director Chris Laurence MBE, added: “We can tell when a dog comes in to us which has been subjected to the ‘dominance reduction technique’ so beloved of TV dog trainers. They can be very fearful, which can lead to aggression towards people.

“Sadly, many techniques used to teach a dog that his owner is leader of the pack is counter-productive; you won’t get a better behaved dog, but you will either end up with a dog so fearful it has suppressed all its natural behaviours and will just do nothing, or one so aggressive it’s dangerous to be around.”


The Dogs Trust is one of the largest Rescue organisations in this country - and they obviously have problems with dogs 'trained' in this way.

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Its all very confusing im just glad my 2 are balanced apart from the dog not liking other dogs they are a treasure to be around.
Wouldnt really know what to do if we have problems hope I dont ever come against them

gem wrote:Its all very confusing im just glad my 2 are balanced apart from the dog not liking other dogs they are a treasure to be around.
Wouldnt really know what to do if we have problems hope I dont ever come against them

same here

Any one can kick a dog and get it to do something, my 2 year old could do that. A "trainer" is some one who can turn a dog around without having to be intimadating x

vanessa wrote:I have been watching him as he is on every night over here in Western Australia. I went to watch the above clip and it says it has been taken off and can no longer be viewed..bummer ! ( Maybe HE took it off !! ) I can't believe he would treat a dog that way !!!! I am shocked !!

So it has???????

I've Watched most of the episodes that were in that video but when you see it all together like that it's shocking. I hope it opens the eyes of those on here who think Cesar's way is the only way.

It's been deleted due to 'copyright'! Ha! They just didn't like loads of people seeing it - well, too late, they already have.

Says it all really doesnt it.

Read the following with an open mind & then tell us whether you think, in all honesty, CM's methods of training are right........

http://www.apdt.com/petowners/choose/dominancemyths.aspx
http://vetmedicine.about.com/b/2009/07/07/veterinary-behaviorists-take-a-stand-against-cesar-millan.htm

He is very popular here and I have read his book but take it all with a grain of salt. When I am out around other dog owner I hear the "shhhh" sound all the time Thanks to Cesar everyone here is a dog trainer....hahaha

I do believe that switching the dogs focus is a good thing but don't be a bully about it. Positive wins everytime.

The video was taken down so I couldn't watch it.

Caryll wrote:Read the following with an open mind & then tell us whether you think, in all honesty, CM's methods of training are right........

http://www.apdt.com/petowners/choose/dominancemyths.aspx
http://vetmedicine.about.com/b/2009/07/07/veterinary-behaviorists-take-a-stand-against-cesar-millan.htm

Read the first one and I agree with the article and you all. Cesar has one thing right though, Exercise your dog often.

yea i always go by a tired dog is a good dog, a untired or bored do can become a bad dog

Steve wrote:yea i always go by a tired dog is a good dog, a untired or bored do can become a bad dog

couldn't agree more!

suzyq505 wrote:He is very popular here and I have read his book but take it all with a grain of salt. When I am out around other dog owner I hear the "shhhh" sound all the time Thanks to Cesar everyone here is a dog trainer....hahaha

I do believe that switching the dogs focus is a good thing but don't be a bully about it. Positive wins everytime.

The video was taken down so I couldn't watch it.

we do the shhhhhhhhhhhhhh noise in our house, it's catchy and it makes billy stop and look.

I think another reason people aren't happy is the name he's given himself - "The Dog Whisperer".

I know that Monty Roberts isn't very happy, because he is the original "Horse Whisperer" and trains horses with clamness, gentleness and body language, whereas CM...............

I never noticed until now how much he used aggressive ways. But still I think he has saved many dogs from being pts. Im sure he is capable of doing this without being cruel, so don't understand why he does this, apart from tyring to get, what apears to be results straight away
As for the Monty, I don't think he cares what CM calls himself, otherwise he wouldn't have featured in the Dog Whisperer and worked along side CM for a whole episode.

BlueStaffBlue wrote:As for the Monty, I don't think he cares what CM calls himself, otherwise he wouldn't have featured in the Dog Whisperer and worked along side CM for a whole episode.

When was that, I didn't see that one! I just remember Monty saying that CM's methods weren't 'whispering'.

Long time ago.
They went to some farm and worked together. Monty worked with a wild horse and CM worked with dogs who were being aggressive towards the horses on the farm.
He seemed good friends with CM on that. Maybe he was paid good money or maybe thats where he watched CM and came to the conclusion that he didn't like his methods