Blues

by Guest Sun Dec 23 2012, 22:03

First topic message reminder :

Blue Staffies are GORGEOUS looking dogs - they really do look almost blue (unlike the "blue" Dobermanns (the breed I had before my Staff) which were just very thin-coated blacks)

Is it my imagination, or are blues becoming more and more common because they are so sought after? A LOT of the puppies posted recently are blue.

by Evie Tue Jan 01 2013, 22:29

by Eris Tue Jan 01 2013, 22:33

I ended up with a blue purely by chance. I contacted several breeders, and only two of those were breeding anything other than blues, while another one had a blue dam with the blues of the litter costing double. It turned out the best pup for me was blue, but I really don't understand why anyone would breed (seemingly) purely for colour, rather than health and temperament.

Certainly in the case of those with unregistered staffys, it's just greed, and perhaps a dose of ignorance?

by Guest Tue Jan 01 2013, 22:36

Evie wrote:yes

Eris wrote:I ended up with a blue purely by chance. I contacted several breeders, and only two of those were breeding anything other than blues, while another one had a blue dam with the blues of the litter costing double. It turned out the best pup for me was blue, but I really don't understand why anyone would breed (seemingly) purely for colour, rather than health and temperament.

Certainly in the case of those with unregistered staffys, it's just greed, and perhaps a dose of ignorance?

Greed. Pure & simple.

Two blue parents equal definite blues in the litter, but also leads to a marked increase in bad skin issues! I also don't know why breeders are still charging more for blues - they're hardly a rare colour nowadays with more than half of all stafford puppies registered with the KC being blue!

by Evie Tue Jan 01 2013, 22:43

yes, thats how I ended up with a blue staffie. I went on the KC website to find a staffie and they were all blue. Seemed there was no other colour.
She was screened for many genetic defects and seemed to be very much loved and cared for.

by **Steve** Tue Jan 01 2013, 22:46

it's like a fighting against a losing battle..... there some really bad breeder out there doh

breeding 2 blue can increase health problems Sad

by Guest Tue Jan 01 2013, 22:49

Evie wrote:
She was screened for many genetic defects and seemed to be very much loved and cared for.

I'm sure she was, but the breeder has bred the litter purely for colour, without regard for the very real risk of Colour Dilution Alopecia. Ignorance? Maybe. But more likely £££s, because the colour is so popular at the moment.

by Evie Tue Jan 01 2013, 22:49

Ah my poor baby, I didnt know. I assumed that since they were KC registered it would all be done correctly....shows how naive I am

by Guest Tue Jan 01 2013, 22:51

Evie wrote:Ah my poor baby, I didnt know. I assumed that since they were KC registered it would all be done correctly....shows how naive I am

Not all blue pups from 2 blue parents will develop problems. But there is a risk. Just be aware of it - hopefully you won't get any problems at all! Smile

by Guest Tue Jan 01 2013, 22:56

Caryll wrote:
Evie wrote:Ah my poor baby, I didnt know. I assumed that since they were KC registered it would all be done correctly....shows how naive I am

Not all blue pups from 2 blue parents will develop problems. But there is a risk. Just be aware of it - hopefully you won't get any problems at all!

And the risk get greater and greater when they breed a pup from 2xblues to a blue etc etc

by Evie Thu Jan 03 2013, 18:21

I am worried. Edie has a few bald patches. It has been in the last 10 days. She is 4.5 months. We went to the vet a week ago and she said it was nothing, but it is getting worse. I phoned her again today and we are now booked in for some tests. I am now hoping it is localised demodectic mange as that is common in pups of 4-6 months apparently.
There is a patch on her right shoulder, one on her left back thigh bone and one under her neck. I cant see any irritation, nor is she scatching profusely.
I contacted the breeder who had never even heard of col dilution alopecia

by Oswald Thu Jan 03 2013, 19:40

Evie wrote:I am worried. Edie has a few bald patches. It has been in the last 10 days. She is 4.5 months. We went to the vet a week ago and she said it was nothing, but it is getting worse. I phoned her again today and we are now booked in for some tests. I am now hoping it is localised demodectic mange as that is common in pups of 4-6 months apparently.
There is a patch on her right shoulder, one on her left back thigh bone and one under her neck. I cant see any irritation, nor is she scatching profusely.
I contacted the breeder who had never even heard of col dilution alopecia

I hope it is something treatable for you, she is such a sweetie!

by Guest Thu Jan 03 2013, 20:26

Evie wrote:I am worried. Edie has a few bald patches. It has been in the last 10 days. She is 4.5 months. We went to the vet a week ago and she said it was nothing, but it is getting worse. I phoned her again today and we are now booked in for some tests. I am now hoping it is localised demodectic mange as that is common in pups of 4-6 months apparently.
There is a patch on her right shoulder, one on her left back thigh bone and one under her neck. I cant see any irritation, nor is she scatching profusely.

Yes, it is quite common in pups due to the fact that they have an undeveloped immune system, and will often cure itself as long as it doesn't start to get itchy & inflamed. Only a skin scrape will confirm it, though, which I assume is the first test that the vet will carry out. If it is Demodex, then the vet will either leave it & see if it goes on its own, or will prescribe Advocate to control the mites.

If it isn't mites, then it could be an allergy or (hopefully not) CDA.

Evie wrote:
I contacted the breeder who had never even heard of col dilution alopecia

It's worrying that so many breeders say that they've never heard of it. They should have! Sad

But if they are in an area that maybe hasn't had a lot of blue x blue matings, they may not have seen it.

by derekamanda Sun Jan 13 2013, 13:47

We are going to be getting a blue boy as a friend for roxy, could anyone reccomend a good breeder?

thanks

by Guest Sun Jan 13 2013, 13:57

derekamanda wrote:We are going to be getting a blue boy as a friend for roxy, could anyone reccomend a good breeder?

thanks

I couldn't recommend a breeder, but I would recommend that you buy a a pup from breeders that have done the relevant health tests (including the DNA test) and who have not bred blue to blue, is at least one parent should be a colour other than blue or fawn.

by derekamanda Sun Jan 13 2013, 14:01

ok thanks

by Guest Mon Jan 14 2013, 20:39

If I were you, I'd try to get a firm hand on the one you already have before you get another. If you're having trouble with one puppy, getting another will increase the difficulty. Also, if you're not sure whether or not you're keeping the pup yet, it isn't a good idea to be looking into getting her a companion.

by Evie Mon Jan 14 2013, 20:48

As an update, Edie has had some scrape tests and a biopsy to see what is going on. She had her stitches out this morning and the tests confirmed demodectic mange. She has been given Advocate.
I am a bit cross as I suspected demodectic mange when I first saw small bald patches and did a lot of internet research, but the vet said it was puppy rough and tumble. It cost me another £200 to confirm my suspicions.

by julespercules Mon Jan 14 2013, 22:26

its a feisty site tonight lol

by Guest Mon Jan 14 2013, 22:33

Evie wrote:As an update, Edie has had some scrape tests and a biopsy to see what is going on. She had her stitches out this morning and the tests confirmed demodectic mange. She has been given Advocate.
I am a bit cross as I suspected demodectic mange when I first saw small bald patches and did a lot of internet research, but the vet said it was puppy rough and tumble. It cost me another £200 to confirm my suspicions.

That's good news - not that she has Demodex, but that you have a diagnosis! Advocate should clear it fairly quickly.

by Guest Mon Jan 14 2013, 22:39

Evie:-

a) I'm sorry to hear that Edie has been diagnosed with mange and that it took so long (and so costly) to confirm the diagnosis

but

b) at least you know what you're dealing with now and can cure it.

Good luck > Big Grin

< for the future, and do keep us updated with Edie's progress!

by Evie Mon Jan 14 2013, 22:43

At least it's not alopecia. That was a bit of a worry.

Here she is with her bald patches...

Blues - Page 3 Sowwsk

by Guest Mon Jan 14 2013, 23:00

Oh that's not too bad, I've seen a lot worse. Good that you've nipped it early though, it shouldn't take too long to get over.

by Evie Mon Jan 14 2013, 23:08

I hope not. Smile

She is as happy and active as ever!

by Guest Mon Jan 14 2013, 23:20

Aaaaawwww! Love Struck

She's still beautiful though!

by Evie Mon Jan 14 2013, 23:36

I love her like crazy

by Guest Mon Jan 14 2013, 23:41

Of course you do - she's gorgeous.

by shazney Mon Jan 14 2013, 23:58

Oh this is worrying for me as Bruno is a mixture of blue and red though you can't tell by his photo as he looks black and white, i believe he never came from good breeding as he was free, do you think i will have problems in the future with size or aggression due to bad breeding?

by Guest Tue Jan 15 2013, 00:04

shazney wrote:Oh this is worrying for me as Bruno is a mixture of blue and red though you can't tell by his photo as he looks black and white, i believe he never came from good breeding as he was free, do you think i will have problems in the future with size or aggression due to bad breeding?

well do you know his parents and there health history?

by shazney Tue Jan 15 2013, 00:07

No, that is what i am saying, all i know by looking at the advert on-line is that his mum is red and his dad is blue....thats all i know!

by shazney Tue Jan 15 2013, 00:11

Before anything is said about it i just want to highlight i took the puppy in after it became homeless and i am a very responsible owner and he has cost me a futune already.

by Guest Tue Jan 15 2013, 00:18

Lol don't worry no one doubts your intentions I'm sure.. Well it's hard to trust photos if you didn't actually see the parents because some breeders are known to lie about the parents.. Is it possible to research them at all or ask the breeder?

by Evie Tue Jan 15 2013, 00:25

Gorgeous!. I am sure that 99% is upbringing so if you put in the time you should end up with a lovely dog

by shazney Tue Jan 15 2013, 00:28

No though i have just looked for the add but it's been taken down i think. oh well he won't be aggressive as i will cuddle him all the time and give him lots of TLC .

by Oswald Tue Jan 15 2013, 01:53

Sorry I think i missed something what was the risk with red and blue? Oswald had a red mum and blue pied dad

by Guest Tue Jan 15 2013, 06:39

Yeah I think they say its blue and fawn which could sometimes lead to issues but idk if its blue and red which sometimes creates fawn

by **Steve** Tue Jan 15 2013, 07:05

Oswald wrote:Sorry I think i missed something what was the risk with red and blue? Oswald had a red mum and blue pied dad

https://staffy-bull-terrier.niceboard.com/t17716-colour-dilution-alopecia

by Guest Tue Jan 15 2013, 07:15

Blue & red isn't so bad, as long as it wasn't blue & fawn. Even pale red is ok, it's the bluey fawn (the dilute of red) that would cause problems. Most breeders won't breed blue to red, though, because you won't get that strong blue colour in the pups - you'll more likely get blue fawns.

by Evie Tue Jan 15 2013, 07:52

shazney wrote:No though i have just looked for the add but it's been taken down i think. oh well he won't be aggressive as i will cuddle him all the time and give him lots of TLC .

Cuddling is great but be careful not to spoil him. You have to be the boss that he looks up to or you will end up with an aggressive dog because he will think he is boss!!!

by Oswald Tue Jan 15 2013, 08:41

Caryll wrote:Blue & red isn't so bad, as long as it wasn't blue & fawn. Even pale red is ok, it's the bluey fawn (the dilute of red) that would cause problems. Most breeders won't breed blue to red, though, because you won't get that strong blue colour in the pups - you'll more likely get blue fawns.

Thanks Caryll she is definitely a red not fawn.

by Guest Tue Jan 15 2013, 09:36

Evie wrote:
shazney wrote:No though i have just looked for the add but it's been taken down i think. oh well he won't be aggressive as i will cuddle him all the time and give him lots of TLC .

Cuddling is great but be careful not to spoil him. You have to be the boss that he looks up to or you will end up with an aggressive dog because he will think he is boss!!!

by Guest Tue Jan 15 2013, 10:22

Caryll wrote:
Evie wrote:
shazney wrote:No though i have just looked for the add but it's been taken down i think. oh well he won't be aggressive as i will cuddle him all the time and give him lots of TLC .

Cuddling is great but be careful not to spoil him. You have to be the boss that he looks up to or you will end up with an aggressive dog because he will think he is boss!!!

double

sorry Evie but giving your doggy cuddles wont make him aggressive and feeling like the boss it will keep him calm a gentle and relaxed. dogs dont need to know there place they learn to trust the hand that feeds them Smile

by Oswald Tue Jan 15 2013, 10:28

Warren wrote:
Caryll wrote:
Evie wrote:
shazney wrote:No though i have just looked for the add but it's been taken down i think. oh well he won't be aggressive as i will cuddle him all the time and give him lots of TLC .

Cuddling is great but be careful not to spoil him. You have to be the boss that he looks up to or you will end up with an aggressive dog because he will think he is boss!!!

double sorry Evie but giving your doggy cuddles wont make him aggressive and feeling like the boss it will keep him calm a gentle and relaxed. dogs dont need to know there place they learn to trust the hand that feeds them

Oh good so i will keep scooping Oswald up and holding him like you do a young baby who needs burping so he can snuggled his face into my neck > Big Grin

<

by Guest Tue Jan 15 2013, 10:36

Oswald wrote:
Oh good so i will keep scooping Oswald up and holding him like you do a young baby who needs burping so he can snuggled his face into my neck ><

Awwww!

by Guest Tue Jan 15 2013, 11:16

Evie wrote:
shazney wrote:No though i have just looked for the add but it's been taken down i think. oh well he won't be aggressive as i will cuddle him all the time and give him lots of TLC .

Cuddling is great but be careful not to spoil him. You have to be the boss that he looks up to or you will end up with an aggressive dog because he will think he is boss!!!

Evie, I wouldn't worry so much about that. That whole "they need to know who's boss" way of thinking is pretty out-dated. We're the boss of our dogs in the same way that parents are the boss of their young kids, but that doesn't mean you can't shower them with love. Just that you give boundaries and rules to them, but aggression has nothing to do with spoiling them.

by Guest Tue Jan 15 2013, 11:23

Oswald wrote:
Warren wrote:
Caryll wrote:
Evie wrote:
shazney wrote:No though i have just looked for the add but it's been taken down i think. oh well he won't be aggressive as i will cuddle him all the time and give him lots of TLC .

Cuddling is great but be careful not to spoil him. You have to be the boss that he looks up to or you will end up with an aggressive dog because he will think he is boss!!!

double sorry Evie but giving your doggy cuddles wont make him aggressive and feeling like the boss it will keep him calm a gentle and relaxed. dogs dont need to know there place they learn to trust the hand that feeds them

Oh good so i will keep scooping Oswald up and holding him like you do a young baby who needs burping so he can snuggled his face into my neck ><

ooooooooooooo yes you can still do that infact i find it a nececety only slight down side is memphis is now about 22kg and still loves doing it rolling on the floor

HAHA on thinking even thats not a down side Love Struck

by Guest Tue Jan 15 2013, 11:31

I sometimes reckon if staffies had elasticity powers like that fantastic 4 man, they would literally smother every surface of our bodies in a big ole staffy hug Laughing

by Guest Tue Jan 15 2013, 11:32

Warren wrote:ooooooooooooo yes you can still do that infact i find it a nececety only slight down side is memphis is now about 22kg and still loves doing it
HAHA on thinking even thats not a down side

Yes, Dempsey still thinks he's a lap dog! Surprised

by pattitxbda Wed Jan 16 2013, 15:13

we love our blue Love Struck

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