Pat Finucane Case.

the prime minster said sorry what is an public inquiry going to do are we going have public inquiry for all the people was murder by the IRA?

do not even start me. his family are set to get millions.

I'm sorry but there is no justice in a father and husband being murdered in front of his family, it's a disgrace! What makes it worse is that the RUC and MI5 were involved. What about the other innocents the UDA killed. Another shameful event just like Bloody Sunday.

It's the fact that the british government was involved that has caused the uproar.

Hayley, are you saying that somebody who loses a close relative in those circumstances shouldn't get compensation?

there no justice innocent childrens, womens, mothers, fathers, males, what was kill by bombs & shot by the IRA.

i lot of people are trying to make out the IRA was the innocent party in it and starting to pee me off.

Steve wrote:there no justice innocent childrens, womens, mothers, fathers, males, what was kill by bombs & shot by the IRA.

i lot of people are trying to make out the IRA was the innocent party in it and starting to pee me off.

No, that isn't the case at all! They're all as bad as each other, all terrorists! It's just that this one was backed & planned by the british government. So this really isn't about the IRA or the Loyalists, it's about the british government getting involved in assassinating someone who was being a nuisance to them.

what about the goverment of rep. ireland & even some state in american helping IRA?

I'm not coming down on either side. It's a very complicated issue & there are points on both sides that are valid.

But the british government always said that they had never supported terrorism in any way - but it's was proved that they had, at least in this case.

IMO if they want peace they need to leave the past in the past and stop reminding people the evils of war. both side did a lot of evil things like any war happens but keep nip picking at the other side is only going to make more problems.

Steve wrote:IMO if they want peace they need to leave the past in the past and stop reminding people the evils of war. both side did a lot of evil things like any war happens but keep nip picking at the other side is only going to make more problems.

Steve, I totally agree. But it's so hard when you look at what the people of Ireland have been through & seen over the last 100 years or more.

It's hard to let go with that sort of anger & resentment still inside you.

what about us we had to put up with and the people who want to be british in irleand been thru it's not one side story.

So the USA shouldn't have killed Osama?


Pat was the same. A terrorist.

Steve, it's a helluva lot more complicated than that. It goes back to the days before the potato famine & the treatment dished out by the british landowners to the local farmers etc.

It really is a complicated 'problem'. Yes, people need to let go & get on with their future, but it isn't that simple, I really wish it was. There's so much resentment on both sides, so much hate & distrust still.

I know that the british on the mainland suffered throughout the troubles as well - I was working right opposite the Hilton Hotel when the bomb went off there, and was just up the road from the Hyde Park bombing - but it goes so much further than that.

Let's not get into an Irish Problem debate, there's too much heat for it to end nicely.

i know it been going for donkey ages but if they carry like they are doingi can see the hole thing starting again.

Hayley wrote:Pat was the same. A terrorist.

How was Finucane a terrorist?

Steve wrote:i know it been going for donkey ages but if they carry like they are doingi can see the hole thing starting again.

I know, but I can't see an early & complete end to it.

bring up this thing that happen 30 odd years ago isn't helping hte matter!!

come caryll all he did was help IRA members he must of been involed some how

I'm not even starting about it.

Like you said Caryll too much heat. And yes, we can feel the cracks getting bigger atm and were all accepting that pretty soon it will be a war zone again.

lots of normal Irish people would have been implicated by militant groups not just the I R A .normal people getting told to store weapons and bomb making equipment .
you don't get a choice when dealing with them kind of individuals.
it don't make them terrorists but have indirectly they have helped the course

I think of them as terrorists. If you don't so what they say they kill you, that's terror.

Hayley wrote:I think of them as terrorists. If you don't so what they say they kill you, that's terror.

no i mean the people being told they must store equipment i dont feel you can call them terrorists they didnt have a choice

they was as bad as terrorists

Oooh right. Yeah agree, they are victims too. But at the same time most of them agree to it anyway, so it's a fine line.

Steve wrote:they was as bad as terrorists

who were as bad as terrorists the people being forced to help ??????

do you have proof they was force in looking after things becasue i'm sure IRA and other groupd didn't trust anytbody

Steve wrote:do you have proof they was force in looking after things becasue i'm sure IRA and other groupd didn't trust anytbody

yes there have been ex IRA members that have said that was one of the things they would do in interviews before.
The group were sectarian so whole community's know who were and were not members but also not talked about.
and you may be prepared to have a bullet in your head and say no to them but not many people would be prepared to put there wives and kids at risk.

this topic isn't about people looking things. it's about i'm sick of people trying to make out it was all the british fault.

we had the bloody sunday public inqury and now they want more! what about ingury of the rep of ireland involvement and also some states of american and we can get a sorry!!

getting our prime minster to say sorry for everything isn't going keep the peace it's just going to build up more hate.

i want everyone to say sorry not just one side.

so that mean some states of american for saying sorry for supporting the IRA with money & armed, and the rep of ireland for doing the same if they didn't do this 1000's wouldn't of die the war would of been over a lot sooner

I don't agree with killing anyone or side with any terrorists, every person killed is a tragedy. All I'm saying is that it is on both sides and each is wrong. It is bad when a government colludes with a terrorist group to kill a husband and father in front of his wife and family. Let's hope Northern Ireland never goes back to what it was.

killing anybody is bad but what his topic is about if you keep making one side say sorry that WILL only build hate toward the other side then before you know it be back at square one.

the IRA was has bad if not more worst they didn't care who they kill as long they killed someone. Will the innocent kids, mothers, fathers and so on get a sorry from sin féin, from american or from rep of ireland ? i very doubt so why does the UK government have to keep saying sorry & give public inquest for when no one else is doing the same?

who going to say sorry for this?

https://youtu.be/dOAHVcxA1No

Saying sorry wont help, they don't want apologies they want a united ireland and for all Protestants to leave the country.

i will agree if 1 party going to apologize they all should do the same it always seems to be our government that seems to buckle and make us look bad

Steve wrote:bring up this thing that happen 30 odd years ago isn't helping hte matter!!

come caryll all he did was help IRA members he must of been involed some how

His brothers were members of the IRA, but after an enquiry it was proved he wasn't. Yes, he represented some IRA members, but he also represented Loyalist members.

I'm not condoning any of the killings, none at all. But what I am saying is that Pat Finucane was a solicitor doing his job & was gunned down for it in front of his family (not an uncommon thing to happen in N.I. at the time by both sides), and the killing was not only sanctioned by the british government, but planned by the british government.

how many was kill by the rep of ireland government and how many killing was funded by some american state prolly nearly all do you hear them say sorry this is my point! and you going have people who are proud to be British getting mad and mad because our prime minster are keep say sorry and no body is say sorry to them.

I know what you mean, Steve, but it isn't going to happen. This is a case where the government were directly involved in the killing of an innocent man - and yes, he was innocent!

I'm not saying that any other deaths were any less important, just that this one was sanctioned directly by the government. That's what the apology is for.

it was happening by both side not just by the british government & i'm sure rep of ireland government was telling the IRA to kill people also maybe some irish-american offical was also doing it..

I know, I know! And yes, everybody involved should apologise, but it isn't going to happen. But just because others won't admit to wrongdoing doesn't mean that we shouldn't either.

but it peeing people off and the hole thing could start again, look at what they doing over flag they getting sick of it..

There's a protest tomorrow in town. Might pop down for a laugh lol

If i had a son, daughter, wife who was killed by IRA and keep hearing my prime minster saying sorry for this and that but i wasn't getting a sorry from the rep of ireland government for my lost i would be pretty pee off maybe do something i would regret.