how are you? + RANT!

hello to all how are all my fellow staffy owners tonight but more importantly how is your gorgeous staffy doing?

i was at 2 local dog shelters today and wanted to take every dog home its unfair that pretty much every kennel was a staffy it upset me to see that many staffies locked in kennels abandoned or mistreat why do staffies get bad names the owners are the ones that make a dog bad but to the do it is normal its a game its not fair would someone have a baby to raise it to fight and only fight lock it in a cage 24-7 being forced on a treadmill and fed steroids even the mistreat staffies "viscous staffies" < as the newspapers would say could be a perfect loving do with the right home love and care, why is it always staffies? i know more collies-huskys-akitas have attacked more people than staffys have i hate people that get dogs that know they wil not have them forever and they end up in a cell (their kennel)
i have never meat a staffy they would rather bite me than lick my face to death staffies are lovers not fighters
THANK YOU RANT OVER!

Its a very state that the breed is in, all we can do is educate where we can

Me and Steffi are well today thank you

As for the rant, yeah it's one every staffy lover has done at one time or another It's a sad, sad world at times, but as Janey said the best we can do is educate as many as we can on this wonderful breed

most of the kennels were staffies or staffy x's and 1 bitch had only recently had pups there was 4 in with her it sooooo not fair staffys should never be seen as bad dogs
still love that pic of moo (your avatar)

and steffi too shes gorgeous

they more staffy x there may be the old pure staffie, the back yard breeder is the problem no one is going spend £400/£600 to let it end up in a rescue

does anyone know the percentage of k.c registered staffies in the pounds? if any?

before the ''usual suspects'' jump all over me....again .....the question is relevant.... firstly as to the plight of the breed
& secondly because i would like to know.

No I'm unsure? What country are you talking about? I would think it would be low percentile that are actually registered..

Kat75 wrote:No I'm unsure? What country are you talking about? I would think it would be low percentile that are actually registered..

this is a u.k site so i assume the rant is u.k. based.

i know it's a hard question but there just may be someone who knows or could hazard an educated guess.

I wouldn't know anything about rescues in the UK but I would guess as it is in AU that it be very few if ANY registered Staffies in shelters.

The percentage of pure bred registered staffs is quite low, although an exact figure is impossible because many rescue dogs have no history.

Most of the staffords in rescue are either crosses or the result of byb's.

P.s. Pedro. The 'usual suspects' ?
If you can't remain polite, without constant digs at those who have different opinions to you, you are quite free to leave the forum or get banned again.

Caryll wrote:The percentage of pure bred registered staffs is quite low, although an exact figure is impossible because many rescue dogs have no history.

Most of the staffords in rescue are either crosses or the result of byb's.

thank you,

i don't know what the average going price is for a k.c registered staffy.
in oz the average for an ankc registered staffy is around the $1000 mark. some not so much, some much more.
which accounts for the fact the amount of ankc registered staffies in pounds is pretty much zero.
people who appreciate quality enough to seek it out & pay premium don't readily abandon it.

altho we have manditory microchipping, the bybers don't bother & the pet stores which support the millers don't have to, so sadly it doesn't really cut down on the annual carnage.
sad.

I went to the RSCPA in yagoona a few weeks ago and by my reckoning the most common dig there was a staffy cross. there were no dogs that looked like pure staffordshire bull terriers. As a matter of fact, there didn't seem to be any pure breeds there. This to me illustrates that Aus has a massive issue with unwanted pups due to unplanned litters. Planned litters are usually between pure bred dogs via registered breeders. Even BYB usually breed dogs of the same breed, or doses that are at least close to being pure bred.

I have seen very few staffs or staff x at our local animal shelters, they are mostly bits dogs(bits o'this and bits'o that), and german shep X, but lately i've been seeing APBT's a lot.

[quote="Caryll"]P.s. Pedro. The 'usual suspects' ?
If you can't remain polite, without constant digs at those who have different opinions to you, you are quite free to leave the forum or get banned again.[/quote

give me a break, you know exactly who i mean.

the same person that has caused three posts to be erased because of his continued ''politeness'' toward me.

pedro wrote:does anyone know the percentage of k.c registered staffies in the pounds? if any?

before the ''usual suspects'' jump all over me....again .....the question is relevant.... firstly as to the plight of the breed
& secondly because i would like to know.

In the UK the majority are crossbreed, yes. In my time of working in rescue (2 years) I've seen few pure bred Staffordshire Bull Terriers.

[quote="pedro"]

Caryll wrote:P.s. Pedro. The 'usual suspects' ?
If you can't remain polite, without constant digs at those who have different opinions to you, you are quite free to leave the forum or get banned again.[/quote

give me a break, you know exactly who i mean.

the same person that has caused three posts to be erased because of his continued ''politeness'' toward me.

Then try to be a little less condescending yourself. People might not get on your back so much.

People buying kc registered dogs tend to be dog lovers, therefore would not be so flighty as to abandon their dog, whereas the pups bought via a cute sign in the local shop are more often bought a whim - aww look at the cute puppies, lets get one!...oh crap this is more hard work than i thought!
this obviously is a generalisation but you get what i mean.
And not that i can talk cause although i am a dog lover, i got Diesel on a whim - Some1 i knew had pups, i'd always wanted a staffy but never in a month of sundays would i give her up!!
i guy in my friends street got rid off his staffy cause it was "too soft" now sadly i dont know what "got rid off" means but needless to say i wanted to rip his dangleez off and feed them to him!!

KC reg dogs i believe do get handed into rescues, but a good rescue will always try and find its breeder, and in most cases ( maybe all) the breeder comes and collects the dog they bred and re-homes it themselves.
Most pups now leave their breeder micro-chipped and new owners have to sign a contract that states if the pup EVER needs to be re homed they must contact the breeder who if they can take the dog back or assist them in helping find a new home.
I have in my time found new homes for 4 of the dogs i have bred.

A one off litter breeder or a BYB wont do this so resulting in the numbers of abandon staffords and their crosses in rescues.

That's very true, Denise, and one reason to always go to a proper breeder, and do your research on that breeder very thoroughly! No breeder worth their salt would object to a thousand questions from a potential buyer!

pedro wrote:people who appreciate quality enough to seek it out & pay premium don't readily abandon it.

My dog might be a staffy x and a rescue dog, but he isn't lower quality than any other dog.

UK POST: there was some pure breed staffies and alot staffie x but this is no reason for them to be abandoned alot of people seem to get them to make them viscous or just to look good so people think they have a big bad dog staffys are not like that at all

he saying people who pay £££ for a dog wont abandon it.

Mani wrote:

pedro wrote:people who appreciate quality enough to seek it out & pay premium don't readily abandon it.

My dog might be a staffy x and a rescue dog, but he isn't lower quality than any other dog.

very true indeed

Steve wrote:he saying people who pay £££ for a dog wont abandon it.

yea but if it cost £100 rather than £1000 this is still no reason for them to be abandoned or mistreat

bainzy1591 wrote:UK POST: there was some pure breed staffies and alot staffie x but this is no reason for them to be abandoned alot of people seem to get them to make them viscous or just to look good so people think they have a big bad dog staffys are not like that at all

I think the most of the problem is people buy cheap dogs without researching how to look after a dogs when they start barking, chewing, pooing & weeing because they cant be bothered to train them or walk them they soon get fed up it .

Mani wrote:

pedro wrote:people who appreciate quality enough to seek it out & pay premium don't readily abandon it.

My dog might be a staffy x and a rescue dog, but he isn't lower quality than any other dog.

Nobody's saying that at all! It's just that the people who go out & buy a £50 pup on a whim are more likely to give up on it that someone who has paid £500+. That doesn't mean the pup itself is any better or worse.

Hope you weren't offended!

bainzy1591 wrote:

Steve wrote:he saying people who pay £££ for a dog wont abandon it.

yea but if it cost £100 rather than £1000 this is still no reason for them to be abandoned or mistreat

i know it's not a reason to abandoned....

yea true i just found it bad that most of the dogs there were staffys or staffy x

bainzy1591 wrote:

Steve wrote:he saying people who pay £££ for a dog wont abandon it.

yea but if it cost £100 rather than £1000 this is still no reason for them to be abandoned or mistreat

Absolutely not, but you have to get away from the idea that all people who buy a pup are as responsible & such good owners as you. Some really couldn't give a s*it as long as the pup turns out to be cuddly or hard enough.

what the rant was about at first was "how can people be like that though to any type of dog not just staffies" its wrong but most of the ones i saw locked in kennel were staffies

I know, but as I said, not everybody is as responsible as the people on this forum, sadly. I couldn't do it myself, but some others couldn't give a toss.

Hi, just thought i'd give my tupence worth on the subject. I bought sky off the local ebay type site, because i couldnt rescue as i live in a flat. this is a good thing because i got her for company so where i go she goes.

KC reg dogs are not guarnteed to be without their problems. I grew up with KC reg dogs through my parents. Pixee is the first ever dog that I wasnt bothered about being KC, she is from the Blue Cross, I mean for all I know, she could be KC, whos to know! My point is this, she is a dog that will be loved for life, we went out looking for a staffie, and a staffie we got, and good as gold. I wish I could take in another staffie from the blue cross. So what ever the cost of a dog, all they need is a loving loyal owner/family.

When I was looking for dogs on one of those sites that I now know is a home for BYBs, I saw lots of dogs being rehomed for quite a lot of money, simply because they paid a lot of money and were trying to get some, if not most, of their money back. So I don't think money comes into it for most people; if you've paid a lot of money for a puppy that you're sick of training, you won't keep it for long. It's stressful enough as it is to train a puppy out of all its biting and whatnot even when you love it, let alone when you're bored of it or don't want it anymore.

It's a shame, but it's a harsh reality. People are used to playing with things and then throwing them away when they're done or when the novelty's worn off. Unfortunately, it applies to pets too. Some people treat their dogs like kids, and some people forget thart dogs are alive at all, rather than robots that they can force to turn out a certain way.

Yes, we unfortunately live in a 'throw away' society and this applies as much to the food/clothing/technology that we waste and get bored with as it does to pets of all kinds. Very sad.

The fact that so many people are absolutely unprepared and unaware of how much work they need to put in to a puppy or indeed any age of dog makes this even worse. I'm not sure what some people expect, they should definitely stick to nintendogs or whatever it is this week.

bainzy1591 wrote:hello to all how are all my fellow staffy owners tonight but more importantly how is your gorgeous staffy doing?

i was at 2 local dog shelters today and wanted to take every dog home its unfair that pretty much every kennel was a staffy it upset me to see that many staffies locked in kennels abandoned or mistreat why do staffies get bad names the owners are the ones that make a dog bad but to the do it is normal its a game its not fair would someone have a baby to raise it to fight and only fight lock it in a cage 24-7 being forced on a treadmill and fed steroids even the mistreat staffies "viscous staffies" < as the newspapers would say could be a perfect loving do with the right home love and care, why is it always staffies? i know more collies-huskys-akitas have attacked more people than staffys have i hate people that get dogs that know they wil not have them forever and they end up in a cell (their kennel)
i have never meat a staffy they would rather bite me than lick my face to death staffies are lovers not fighters
THANK YOU RANT OVER!

Agree for the most but be carefull about accusing breeds of being more aggresive. You name huskies as more likley to bite yet they rank 7 in the top ten of breeds most unlikley to bite. Im not having a go but i have lost count of the times people have whipped there hands away from my two shortley followed by a speculative comment on there behaviour. So personaly i have found myself defending both breeds to the uneducated. Staffs are well know nanny dogs but huskies also slept with the children of indians for hundreds of years. Yes they are very high maintenance and require a firm leader as they cant sit still for anything....but ill just say this, wrong dog for wrong owner? Ring any bells?
Although i agree 100% with the sentiments of your post i just ask you dont fall down the dog predjudice route yourself mate

axam102 wrote:

Agree for the most but be carefull about accusing breeds of being more aggresive. You name huskies as more likley to bite yet they rank 7 in the top ten of breeds most unlikley to bite. Im not having a go but i have lost count of the times people have whipped there hands away from my two shortley followed by a speculative comment on there behaviour. So personaly i have found myself defending both breeds to the uneducated. Staffs are well know nanny dogs but huskies also slept with the children of indians for hundreds of years. Yes they are very high maintenance and require a firm leader as they cant sit still for anything....but ill just say this, wrong dog for wrong owner? Ring any bells?
Although i agree 100% with the sentiments of your post i just ask you dont fall down the dog predjudice route yourself mate

no u got that wrong im not accusing any breed what i said was i have known collies and huskies to bite people i have a collie x husky myself but its when people say staffies are bad dogs because they get a bad name any dog could bite with the wrong owner, like newspapers" alot of dog attacks seen in papers are staffies or pit bulls" you never hardly hear about other breeds but staffies get a bad name becaue people treat them wrong and they end up in dog shelters
SORRY if it came across wrong people

chasing chaos

with chaos being bad lad n chewing fencing

oh and charlie "collie x husky" is just over 9 months old hes a big lad

bainzy1591 wrote:

axam102 wrote:

Agree for the most but be carefull about accusing breeds of being more aggresive. You name huskies as more likley to bite yet they rank 7 in the top ten of breeds most unlikley to bite. Im not having a go but i have lost count of the times people have whipped there hands away from my two shortley followed by a speculative comment on there behaviour. So personaly i have found myself defending both breeds to the uneducated. Staffs are well know nanny dogs but huskies also slept with the children of indians for hundreds of years. Yes they are very high maintenance and require a firm leader as they cant sit still for anything....but ill just say this, wrong dog for wrong owner? Ring any bells?
Although i agree 100% with the sentiments of your post i just ask you dont fall down the dog predjudice route yourself mate

no u got that wrong im not accusing any breed what i said was i have known collies and huskies to bite people i have a collie x husky myself but its when people say staffies are bad dogs because they get a bad name any dog could bite with the wrong owner, like newspapers" alot of dog attacks seen in papers are staffies or pit bulls" you never hardly hear about other breeds but staffies get a bad name becaue people treat them wrong and they end up in dog shelters
SORRY if it came across wrong people

chasing chaos

with chaos being bad lad n chewing fencing

Lol cool im glad to be wrong mate. I love my two nutters just get a bit hacked with people not in the know accusing them of being someting they are not. Staff cross husky makes a wonderfull dog but needs alot of attention and excersise. I dread to think how much your out with a collie cross husky...inteligence must be nuts..lol is anything safe? My two have taken to ransaking the fridge and opening doors so cant even have a crap in peace lol.

haha yea but somehow gets chaos out his crate :S with crate still locked haha i still dont know how he opens kitchen door and take him and chaos out all day long were ever i am they are lol hes very bright tho he was soo easy to house train but chaos on the other hand is stubborn he will use puppy pads and go out side for toilet 1 day then the next go were ever he likes :S

They can be aloof and treat everything around them like there kingdom. They were breed to shelter with humans through winter and then set free for summer months so need a high fish diet as that was main source of food.. They have an enquiring mind as im sure your aware but try keeping lean with vetzyme b + e suppliments. Gonna weight pull both mine this year and marley already pulling 5 times of his body weight but laska has better style so im sure could do more already but too young to try.

Mani wrote:

pedro wrote:people who appreciate quality enough to seek it out & pay premium don't readily abandon it.

My dog might be a staffy x and a rescue dog, but he isn't lower quality than any other dog.

i wasn't talking of the quality of a dog as a dog.
i was talking of the quality of a dog as a representative of it's unique breed. the quality i was referring to is the breeding, not the individual.
in a litter of say eight, the dogs may all have different personalities but the breeding is the same.

i consider ethically bred, registered pure breeds as something very special.....but when it's all done & dustered, they are all dogs after all.