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That is outside of the standard. Without papers he is most likely a cross but if the authorities have deemed him a Staffy and not a type there should'nt be any issues.

jstaff wrote:That is outside of the standard. Without papers he is most likely a cross but if the authorities have deemed him a Staffy and not a type there should'nt be any issues.

You are right their are many Staff/crosses that are of similar size to what ive stated but not when they are pure Staff, these peoples (years experience) especially the Police Officer who's main job is to travel around the Kennels 'Typing Dogs' if they all say its Pure Staff im pretty certain it is they know their stuff, so how comes he's turned out this big that my conundrum i just thought that someone possibly might be able to shed some light as he's definitely not been crossed. well as definite as any professional could be.

Hi and welcome to the forum from Rocky and me.

Good on you for taking him on, wow he sounds like a big boy. Could you post any pictures we'd love to see him.

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If two large dogs are bred the pups will be large sometimes larger. people seem to be breeding either miniture type staffs or very large types that look like pitbulls but can still be KC reg as stafs. This dog is probably a pup from someone who is breeding for size not breed spec.

You are right their are many Staff/crosses that are of similar size to what ive stated but not when they are pure Staff, these peoples (years experience) especially the Police Officer who's main job is to travel around the Kennels 'Typing Dogs' if they all say its Pure Staff im pretty certain he is they know their stuff, so how comes he's turned out this big as he's definitely not been crossed. well as definite as any professional could be. i say again none of them had ever seen a pure Staff this big they are all quite shocked by this, after all their years they though they'd seen it all relating to Staffs and the like.

17-18" is absolutely not the Standard for the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. The AKC standard for the SBT is 14-16" at the shoulders and 28-38lbs (about 13-17kg). You can see more about the breed standard here: http://www.staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/kennelclubbreedstandard.html or here: http://www.akc.org/breeds/staffordshire_bull_terrier/index.cfm

All that means is that your dog is probably not a pure bred SBT, doesn't mean he isn't going to make a great pet, though!

It's impossible for anyone to say with absolute certainty that he is a 'pure' stafford. He may well look pure, but who knows what may have been in his lineage a few generations back?

There is a staff on this forum whose great grandfather was a mastiff - he looks every inch a stafford, but he's huge!

CatStina wrote:17-18" is absolutely not the Standard for the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. The AKC standard for the SBT is 14-16" at the shoulders and 28-38lbs (about 13-17kg). You can see more about the breed standard here: http://www.staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/kennelclubbreedstandard.html or here: http://www.akc.org/breeds/staffordshire_bull_terrier/index.cfm

All that means is that your dog is not a pure bred SBT, doesn't mean he isn't going to make a great pet, though!

Sorry (i'm half asleep) are you referring to the 22 inch height or 17 to 18. I agree that at 22 inches the dog is most likely crossed (almost definately) but I guess it wouldn't be impossible for two above standard staffs to throw a particularly large one everyonce in a while. However, if you are refering to the 17 to 18 inches (which I don't think you are) then I would disagree and say whilst they are a little above standard height there are many pure bred Staffies that fit into this range.

There are dogs above the standard that are pure bred, but if you have a 22" dog without papers, you can probably assume that dog is not a pure bred Stafford.

Hi Castina that's what I thought you meant (but wasn't sure) and quite agree.

Caryll wrote:It's impossible for anyone to say with absolute certainty that he is a 'pure' stafford. He may well look pure, but who knows what may have been in his lineage a few generations back?

There is a staff on this forum whose great grandfather was a mastiff - he looks every inch a stafford, but he's huge!

That would be my Charlie boy
He has similar measurements to the dog you've just taken on GQ, his head is massive, but he has a staff face and he's about 20 inches and I have no idea what he weighs, it was 25 at last check but that was months ago. He is pure muscle now after losing his puppy flab and he has the typical staff temperament. When people see him, they double take, and his size is always commented on. Because I'm used to him, I don't think of him as being that big, but when I have him next to a pure staff, that's when I realise just how huge he is! My boy is a fantastic pet, and I'm sure yours will be too

22" bloody that dog will be the size of American bulldog

Johnson type American bulldogs are 22" to 27"

Yeah, 22" is labrador size and the size of a small Bullmastiff. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is supposed to be a small-medium sized dog, not a large dog.

Jesus, thats one big dog, can we see some pics please rather interested to see a pure staff that large!

janey wrote:Jesus, thats one big dog, can we see some pics please rather interested to see a pure staff that large!

It isn't a pure bred just because a police officer said it was. I highly doubt the dog is pure bred at 22".

hi and welcome.. good on you for rescuing. Post some pics please! I saw the biggest staff ever at a carboot once, I asked the owner what he was crossed with he said he was all staff, he looked all staff but going by the size of him, big and wide, I would have said he was crossed with a bull mastif.

Wowzers. Big boy. I can't see a staff being that big but abnormalities are possible. You'll likely never know for sure, but he sounds wonderful. Love to see pics! Sounds more like American Bulldog to me, but hey, they are both good breeds.

working on the pics as the only camera ive now got is on an old phone and ive just taken some but they all turned out really blurry.

No worries if its blurred, give us some idea of your fella, rather intrigued

Steve wrote:Johnson type American bulldogs are 22" to 27"

This one looks weird Steve , looks like his head has been photo shopped onto another dog and very badly

http://www.bulldogbreeds.com/breeders/full_listing/1542

don't doubt it's real but just looks weird

the the johnson type plus the photos the johnson type is more bully and more athletic type of american bulldog

I'm not a fan of them. I like the ones like in homeward bound lol

Equi wrote:I'm not a fan of them. I like the ones like in homeward bound lol

Me, too. I think they are called "Scott Type."

If your not gonna bred or show him, theres nothing to worry about if he isn't a full staff, just enjoy him. At the end of the day all dogs are great when treated with love and respect (and plenty of walks.. lol)

i dont quite get why some are saying a staffy is probably a cross just because its a couple of inches above the breed standard or just because theres no papers? i see plenty of wee neds that clearly have 2 full staffys breeding them and selling the pups without papers, human adults can range anywhere from 3ft right up to 7ft but they are still classed as humans, surely some of these dogs are going to be different hights? iv seen some big german shepards and some fairly small ones yet iv never heard anyone say that gs is a couple of inches above the standard so its a cross, my sister used to have a big female rotty that was bigger than alot of males but was still a full ped rotty
my staff is 17inches to the shoulders, he gets plenty of attention from people that like these type of dogs, infact iv had other staffy owners tell me if they had one like mine they would be breeding from him, i hear people walk past me and comment to their pals that my dog is a belter

not that im an expert on the matter just putting out my opinion (which is most likely wrong)

22" is the size of american bulldog it's very unlikey to be a full staffy

paul_75 wrote:i dont quite get why some are saying a staffy is probably a cross just because its a couple of inches above the breed standard or just because theres no papers? i see plenty of wee neds that clearly have 2 full staffys breeding them and selling the pups without papers, human adults can range anywhere from 3ft right up to 7ft but they are still classed as humans, surely some of these dogs are going to be different hights? iv seen some big german shepards and some fairly small ones yet iv never heard anyone say that gs is a couple of inches above the standard so its a cross, my sister used to have a big female rotty that was bigger than alot of males but was still a full ped rotty
my staff is 17inches to the shoulders, he gets plenty of attention from people that like these type of dogs, infact iv had other staffy owners tell me if they had one like mine they would be breeding from him, i hear people walk past me and comment to their pals that my dog is a belter

not that im an expert on the matter just putting out my opinion (which is most likely wrong)

When a human is 3 ft they have dwarfism, when theyre 7ft they have giganticsim. You can't say that is the range of humans, because out of the averages they have a condition. this dog does not have a condition. 22" is NOT a full staffy. and people who breed outside of KC reg and claim to have pure dogs are most likely to have a cross breed in the history somewhere which is why they cant/are not KC or the owners didnt reg them cause they couldnt afford to/be bothered to

people are wanting larger staffs now cause they look like pitbulls but are not illegal. staffords should not be very large

Equi wrote:I'm not a fan of them. I like the ones like in homeward bound lol

The one in homeward bound is a scott type like my Chance who is 25" tall at the moment

ella wrote:

Equi wrote:I'm not a fan of them. I like the ones like in homeward bound lol

The one in homeward bound is a scott type like my Chance who is 25" tall at the moment

Think homeward bound one is called chance too!...love those films

paul_75 wrote:i dont quite get why some are saying a staffy is probably a cross just because its a couple of inches above the breed standard or just because theres no papers?

22" is not just a couple of inches above the standard, it's 6" above the standard!! 1 or 2" above or below the standard is normal, but 6" is not. 6" is a huge deviation from the standard. If the dog doesn't have papers and is 22" tall it's pretty safe to assume that the dog is a mix and not a pure bred Stafford.

GQ Man wrote:You are right their are many Staff/crosses that are of similar size to what ive stated but not when they are pure Staff, these peoples (years experience) especially the Police Officer who's main job is to travel around the Kennels 'Typing Dogs' if they all say its Pure Staff im pretty certain he is they know their stuff, so how comes he's turned out this big as he's definitely not been crossed. well as definite as any professional could be. i say again none of them had ever seen a pure Staff this big they are all quite shocked by this, after all their years they though they'd seen it all relating to Staffs and the like.

maybe hes just a freak of nature as in humans u get big people and u get big staffies (and when i say freak i mean no offence to anyone)

i should have been a bit clearer, and should have said i didnt mean this 22inch dog, what i was talking about was when i see people say ones an inch or two above the 14-16inch breed standard or when they say if theres no papers its probably a cross just using this post since this is talking about what someone was told was a big staff and i kind of on the same topic (i do highly doubt a 22inch dog is a full staff)

Simply, you can't prove a dogs generation without having the papers (to have papers the dog must be registered), a bit like a car and a log book.

Not saying it can't be pure, but you will never have anything to say otherwise, hence why they are generalised as a cross.

anyone tell me how to upload a photo and i can do it now as ive finally borrowed a friends Camera to show you my dog, thx

i really wanna see this dog now

Here they are the photos the ones with some guys legs in the shot you will see he comes up to about the guys knees and this guy is 6 foot 6 to give you an idea, he's also dropped weight now to 25kg because he seems to have an upset stomach consistently and doesn't have good appetite so the vet has put him on a Sensitive controlled food as he suspects he's allergic to some protein etc. Forgot i had to measure his neck for a collar which was 24inches.

I would honestly say he's a staffy x american bulldog.

Difficult to gauge but he doesn't look like a huge dog to me though he wouldn't get christened shorty either.

Really good looking boy though

Trust me these photos dont do him justice at all, i completely forgot about the first 2 photos as they were sent to me from the Dog warden in a email to give me an idea about this dog before i decided, well obviously i said yes but when he arrived he looked so much bigger it really was noticeable.

hes not a full staffy i would go with staffy x american bulldog also

either way he's a dam handsome boy!

Romeo wrote:either way he's a dam handsome boy!

He certainly is!

Wow he's a smaller version of Chance gorgeous!

From the floor up to where are you measuring this dogs height ??
His a big boy and obviously over the standard height ( but so my KC reg boy) but from the angle the pics have been taken he dont look 22inches to me.

He is a lovely looking lad thou