Warning!

I have noticed even In my area, Which Is so ment to be a rich area, Dunno If It Is lol , Theres alot of breeders selling pitbulls or staffy cross pitbulls, So If you have friends and family, Or are geting or thinking of getting a staffy, Or ever going to get a staffy, Make sure you see the mum and dad first, Because as we all know If Its pitbull Its illegal! And the dog can/will be destroyed! Friend of mine bought what he thought was a staffy, He went to take the puppy to have Its first jab, The vet said straight away this Is a pitbull, And needs reporting to the police, He did tests were done, Was found to be a pitbull dog was destroyed, And all cause my friend was inexperienced with dogs, And didnt see or ask to see mum and dad! Just be careful people! And warn others! Theres alot of Idiots out there selling dogs that arent staffys but saying they are! Even staffy cross pitbull I wouldnt touch! Pedgree all the way! Thanks ,

*Or at least If Its a cross breed, Nothing that has a banned dog In It, I know not bree Its the owener, But Its not worth getting arrested for!

Your dog doesn't have to be a pitbull or have pitbull in it to be banned. Its about looking like a pitbull type. Any dog can be classified as type and seized, even if its a neo mastiff crossed with a poodle.
An out of standard staffy without kc papers could just as easially be seized as a 'pitbull'- which are just as likey to be a staffy cross anyway. Its very rare to find an actual dyed in the wool american pitbull terrier in england now days, although i have seen a handful. Only a dog with kc papers is a guaranteed pedigree dog, although saying that kc papers can be forged.

only handful of people have real pitbul in the uk, breeders are cross breeding a number of breed to make a new type of pitbulls, bull terriers, american bulldogs, staffy and so on.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1396088/Trade-in-Irish-pit-bulls-flouts-dog-law.html

British dog breeders are making a mockery of the law banning American pit bull terriers by selling an almost identical breed.

The American pit bull was created from selective breeding of ancestors of British Staffordshire bull terriers, which were exported to the United States in the 19th century. Staffordshires are about 15in high at the shoulder, while American pit bulls can be 18in - and taller - at the shoulder.

The pit bull was bred to be far more muscular and aggressive than the Staffordshire. The RSPCA and the Kennel Club say that an Irish Staffordshire bull terrier is a very leggy Staffordshire bull terrier that has been created by selective breeding designed to give it characteristics similar to those of the banned US pit bull.

I wouldn't agree that the APBT was originally bred to be more aggressive than the Staff. Their temperament should be very similar to that of the SBT. They should love humans (friends and strangers alike) but may be dog selective (DS) or dog aggressive (DA). There are a lot of poor breeders here in the US that are trying to breed them to be guard dogs or are still breeding them for fighting and that can have disastrous results. But there are many examples of dogs bred and used for fighting that have become wonderful family pets and even therapy dogs (see the Michael Vick dogs as great examples).

i think what they mean by aggressive is to other dog or animals

With their breed history, I thought that there was a degree of DA/DS allowed/expected in the SBT breed. Is there not?

but both have their moment but pitbull would do more damage than a staffy

Steve wrote:but both have their moment but pitbull would do more damage than a staffy

Do you think this is only becuase of the size difference or do you think there is a significant tempermant difference between the breeds? I believe it is the size difference and that the breeds are fairly close geneticaly so the temperment cshould be close. As always there is no such thing as a bad dog just bad handlers.

well yea it's the bad owner, But if i had to choose wich breed to attack me it would be a staffy, some pitbull on the large size we all would stuggle to stop them.

Yeah I guess size does matter

just to make sure you know i'm not anti pit i would love to have a real pit again if they get unbanned here.

That's good to hear/read, Steve! Hopefully one day you can have one again!

They are all great dogs if raised correctly. Just makes me sad they recieve so much negative press. I've always had a tendancy towards the larger breeds because I like a good game of tug of war as well.

It's a shame you guys have a ban on certain breeds. It worries me a bit as we would love to take a job in Europe. Sadly the breeder we got Suki from was near the epicenter of the earthquake we had in March so we still don't have papers. Not that we care what type of dogs she is but since she is already 25kg at just under 11 months she is most likely a pit or AmStaff which I think are basically the same thing and the name change was just done by the kennel society's to be able to show the breed. So, I think Europe may be out of the question for the forseeable future.

alot of country allow amstaff or pit i think it's only uk & germany have got the banned

Those are the two countries I was thinking of There are lots of options though and I could always stay here

give it a couple of years people may be able to be allow pit again i know they have debate about dog laws.

Yeah the name American Staffordshire Terrier was made for the AKC. They wanted to distance themselves from dog fighting and have a name that sounded closer to the SBT. The name American Pit Bull Terriers is used in the UKC. Both breeds have pretty much identical standards and there are many dogs that are dual registered as APBTs in the UKC and AmStaffs in the AKC.

As for the "It's all how they are raised" or "if raised correctly" thing, it's not entirely true. They are very resilient dogs and can be raised in absolutely terrible conditions and come out of it beautifully. Look at the many x-fighting dogs or victims of other kinds of abuse that have passed the Canine Good Citizen tests or even became therapy dogs! Here is the website for Hector the Pit Bull, he was rescued from Michael Vick and is now a Certified Therapy Dog sharing his home with multiple other dogs: http://www.hectorthepitbull.com/ He is just one example of the many Pit Bulls that have bounced back after abuse.

That would be great as Europe and Antartica are the only continents I haven't visited. I have had alyover in airports in Europe but that doesn't really count

CatStina wrote:Yeah the name American Staffordshire Terrier was made for the AKC. They wanted to distance themselves from dog fighting and have a name that sounded closer to the SBT. The name American Pit Bull Terriers is used in the UKC. Both breeds have pretty much identical standards and there are many dogs that are dual registered as APBTs in the UKC and AmStaffs in the AKC.

As for the "It's all how they are raised" or "if raised correctly" thing, it's not entirely true. They are very resilient dogs and can be raised in absolutely terrible conditions and come out of it beautifully. Look at the many x-fighting dogs or victims of other kinds of abuse that have passed the Canine Good Citizen tests or even became therapy dogs! Here is the website for Hector the Pit Bull, he was rescued from Michael Vick and is now a Certified Therapy Dog sharing his home with multiple other dogs: http://www.hectorthepitbull.com/ He is just one example of the many Pit Bulls that have bounced back after abuse.

Very true, I also believe that they are a very resiliant and wonderfull breed. Michael Vick is still a bit of a sore spot for me but all the more reason to dislike the Eagles. Great link BTW.

Yeah, I'm still mad at the NFL for even allowing Vick back and I root against the Eagles every chance I get.

CatStina wrote:Yeah, I'm still mad at the NFL for even allowing Vick back and I root against the Eagles every chance I get.

Agreed I can't stand the Eagles

gem wrote:I strongly disagree and beleive a true stafford doesnt like other dogs out of the family unit

As you know, I strongly agree with this. Many staffs still have that in-built dislike of dogs in general, and other bull breeds in particular. There's nothing they like more than having a good old 'go' at a dog!

And before anyone accuses me of supporting dog fighting (Yes, it's been said before!) I don't, I find it totally abhorrent. But if you ignore the nature of the stafford, you are asking for trouble. Yes, some do get on with other dogs, but not all - and sometimes there's just nothing you can do about it.

Couldn't agree more Gem and Caryll. Some (if not most) Staffords will not like dogs even with proper socialization. That is not necessarily a bad thing, though, just a breed trait that you need to watch for. The same is true for APBTs, AmStaffs and many other Bull Breeds.

CatStina wrote:I wouldn't agree that the APBT was originally bred to be more aggressive than the Staff. Their temperament should be very similar to that of the SBT. They should love humans (friends and strangers alike) but may be dog selective (DS) or dog aggressive (DA). There are a lot of poor breeders here in the US that are trying to breed them to be guard dogs or are still breeding them for fighting and that can have disastrous results. But there are many examples of dogs bred and used for fighting that have become wonderful family pets and even therapy dogs (see the Michael Vick dogs as great examples).

I owned a pitbull/amstaff Bishop that was breed from fighting lines and he was the biggest baby ever.Never showed aggression to anyone or anything and he was a great family pet.But my brother got a pup from the same litter and he was a nasty little monster when it came to other dogs except mine.He loved people and kids but was only friendly to my dog.I think it has less to do with the breed or the bloodline and more to do with the personality of the individual dog.There is "gameness" in all the bully breeds and it can be brought out in them all.Only some will show the high level of "game" in any given litter and those are the pups that were usually raised to fight. Unfortunately now that these dogs are all sold as pets many people end up with these higher "game" pups from the litter and in turn have a dog aggressive family pet to no fault of there own.Blaming the owner for there dog being aggressive is wrong in may cases and even more so in the bully breeds.Just my thoughts on the matter

Agreed. They really aren't the dog for everyone, but what breed is?

gem wrote:Me either anything to do with scum like that doesnt get anything from me
The pit bull is far superior in power for strenth with weight behind it but the stafford is much quicker and if weight/power/size was established for each dog then my money would be on the stafford.
I sometimes get annoyed as mine dont like other dogs and often people post that its all about being sociolised and how they are brought up I strongly disagree and beleive a true stafford doesnt like other dogs out of the family unit

totally true memphis will play fine with any dog for hours on end all apart from another staffy/bull terrier then his back is up and you need to watch him closelly.
he has had countless little snappy dogs going for him and he dont bat an eye lid

I sometimes get annoyed as mine dont like other dogs and often people post that its all about being sociolised and how they are brought up I strongly disagree and beleive a true stafford doesnt like other dogs out of the family unit

Interesting point! And surprisingly i agree. My dog is the most laid back dog I could wish for- i really think he has more of the bulldog then the terrier in his personality- but if he meets another entire male staffy, ambulldog or pitbull his hackles go up and he reeeally doesn't like them. He'll tolerate other males and every other dog but he recognises the bull breed in the other dog and would be willing to fight if i didn't pull him away.

Oh thought I was going to get hung for that post

I haven't had any problems with Saxon and other dogs, yet. But I wouldn't fault him if he developed DA/DS issues later on, I wouldn't fault any of the Bull and Terrier breeds for it. It is what they were bred for. Don't worry, Gem, I think most of the people on here probably agree with you!

I really hope they legalize PBT over there and make gippos illegal.
Just kidding on the gippo unless they are the one brreding for fights.
Over here it's the trash that makes them unwanted.

Personally I think NO dog should be banned Just because the breed It Is, Its the wrong hands these dogs ended up, And ended up been banned! 9 times out of 10 Its the way Its brought up that will determine what sort of dog It will become Just like people, The way people are brought up by there parents Is the way more than likely what beliefs and opnions It will have later on In life!