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Post by pielander Wed Aug 07 2019, 17:23

Newbie..be gentle,Lost our staff last year after twelve years. we are ready to have one again.in our search we have come across thorn blue bloodline staff.anyone got info on this..cheers

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Post by gillybrent Wed Aug 07 2019, 18:10

Hi & welcome. 

If the pup you're looking at is from two blue parents, please think very hard! Skin problems (including Colour Dilution Alopaecia) are very common in dogs with two blue parents. I'm not saying the breeders you are looking at are bad (they may be great), but very often, blue-bred litters are from people who are interested solely in money.   Sad

Please also check that all hereditary problems have been tested for - if you need a list, just shout!

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Post by pielander Wed Aug 07 2019, 18:28

Not yet got puppy (still at thinking stage) inquired because we hadn't heard of thorn bloodlines.vaglo bloodline we have.blue on blue does cause skin problems.

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Post by Inez Maria Wed Aug 07 2019, 18:37

Hiya and welcome firstly sorry for your loss, and yes as Gilly has mentioned about the colour dilution due to blue on blue breeding is a risk. My boy has blue parents and although didnt know about the risk factors at the time I would certainly look into it in greater depth if I was to ever have another blue. I have so many skin allergies and problems with Vinnie since he was a pup. Sorry I havent heard of the bloodline you are mentioning but worth as said looking into at depth Smile
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Post by Nifty staffy Wed Aug 07 2019, 19:33

Hello and welcome.
So sorry to hear of your loss, glad you consider continuing your staffy experience.
I’ve not heard of Thorn bloodlines either but echo the caution needed when considering the acquisition of a blue.
Good luck and do let us know how you get on.

Maybe you could just pop into the New Members Introductions section here and tell us a little about yourself in the meantime Smile
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Post by gillybrent Wed Aug 07 2019, 20:01

I just wish 'breeders' would stop using the 'rare colour' card to sell blue litters for loads of money.

Between April & June 202 litters were registered with the UK Kennel Club. Out of those 202,162 were either totally blue litters, or contained at least 2 blues in the litter. That's over 3/4 of the total registrations, and it's the same for previous periods as well. The trou le is, most of those are not well bred, but have been bred for money, with little or no health checks.

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Post by pielander Wed Aug 07 2019, 20:33

true. blue is not rare colour.as for this true to type..seen them 13 to 15 inches to the withers.weight anywhere between 25 to 30 kg.oversize heads.with the worse case of asthma.

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Post by Nifty staffy Wed Aug 07 2019, 20:44

It will also depend on if you have any specific plans for your canine friend like showing or breeding which require that certain “specifications” be met.
To be a true family member and companion, most faults will just require more or less management.
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Post by Jnestie84 Wed Aug 07 2019, 22:22

Unfortunately we made this mistake when we got Gus. He wasn’t full blue but we are convinced that the blue gene in him had something to do with the problems he ended up with.
Keep us posted on what you decide and if you have any questions don’t hesitate to ask.

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Post by Inez Maria Wed Aug 07 2019, 22:29

Has Gus had skin issues James?
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Post by Jnestie84 Thu Aug 08 2019, 07:48

Yes he had skin allergies. But it was the problems that he had with his joints that were the real problem and the reason why we had to have him put to sleep. All very sad but we didn’t realise at the time what problems can be caused by poor breeding decisions.

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Post by Nifty staffy Thu Aug 08 2019, 21:07

So sorry to hear that James Sad
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Post by Inez Maria Thu Aug 08 2019, 21:26

Jnestie84 wrote:Yes he had skin allergies. But it was the problems that he had with his joints that were the real problem and the reason why we had to have him put to sleep. All very sad but we didn’t realise at the time what problems can be caused by poor breeding decisions.
Oh James sorry to hear that, Vin has been diagnosed with very bad Arthiritis in his elbow and the vet did say he suspected that it had not really developed properly from a pup so guessing again bad bloody breeding like you wish I had known but he is here with me and has been for 8 years so we do everything we can. But these bad breeders must be stopped its diabolical x
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