At first glance

Do you think you could always tell the difference between the KC recognised Staffie, and the so named American Staffordshire Terrier?

I have likely passed the Amstaff on my travels, and not given it a lot of thought, so I would really need to see two dogs together, in order to isolate key differences, of which I am sure there are a few.

A Bull Terrier breeder once told me that Am Staffs are just really another name for a Pit Bull, not sure how true that is, or whether they are two distinct types.

People openly advertise these for sale on the net, but I suppose the police have better things to do than go around busting people who may be selling what are banned dog puppies.

What tends to happen in reality to anyone who is caught with a Pit, assuming it has not actually bitten anyone?

I know that the courts have a range of options open, including the dog being destroyed, or letting it live, but under conditions, I just wondered what the law has actually tended to go for, most times.

they make alot of the so called banned breeds have a tattoo in the inside of the lip and must wear a muzzle at all times in public thats as much as i no

giblet wrote:they make alot of the so called banned breeds have a tattoo in the inside of the lip and must wear a muzzle at all times in public thats as much as i no

So the inclination is NOT to destroy the dog?

that depends on the dog and owners behaver different for all

giblet wrote:that depends on the dog and owners behaver different for all

I see dogs round here that don't quite look like Staffs, probably crosses, maybe something else.

Doesn't bother me, but it seems the authorties don't have the manpower or money to enforce this.

Ti Amo Edinburgh wrote:
A Bull Terrier breeder once told me that Am Staffs are just really another name for a Pit Bull, not sure how true that is, or whether they are two distinct types.

The Amstaff came about when they wanted to register the Pit Bull, but nobody would accept it. So they changed the name & the Amstaff became the 'acceptable' APBT.

Amstaffs are bigger than Staffords, with a longer muzzle. There's a pic on this forum somewhere that shows the two breeds side by side, but I can't remember where.

Caryll wrote:

Ti Amo Edinburgh wrote:
A Bull Terrier breeder once told me that Am Staffs are just really another name for a Pit Bull, not sure how true that is, or whether they are two distinct types.

The Amstaff came about when they wanted to register the Pit Bull, but nobody would accept it. So they changed the name & the Amstaff became the 'acceptable' APBT.

Amstaffs are bigger than Staffords, with a longer muzzle. There's a pic on this forum somewhere that shows the two breeds side by side, but I can't remember where.

Okay, thanks for the explaination.

Would have been good to see both side by side, maybe someone else will recall?

Btw


http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

Probably you have seen this before.

Number 16

did you get that with out clicking it Miss rogue?? I thought it was number 7!
but number 16 does have the stance of a bull more so.

I made this picture up when I was getting Russell so I could show my parents the differences, I just got the pics of google search so I'm hoping that they actually are the right breeds i searched for!

sorry i know I shouldnt have English at the start (learnt that after I made the pic) and also the Amstaff shouldnt have bull either should it

Lol number seven is dogo
Yes i knew before i clicked it as i found it before and i aso put it on here but it got it right the first time around as well.
I wouldn't go to google for pictures to be honest they are pretty useless, you type in pitbull and our staffies,dogo's, mastiff etc, I would go to the KC sites.

Ti Amo Edinburgh wrote:

Caryll wrote:

Ti Amo Edinburgh wrote:
A Bull Terrier breeder once told me that Am Staffs are just really another name for a Pit Bull, not sure how true that is, or whether they are two distinct types.

The Amstaff came about when they wanted to register the Pit Bull, but nobody would accept it. So they changed the name & the Amstaff became the 'acceptable' APBT.

Amstaffs are bigger than Staffords, with a longer muzzle. There's a pic on this forum somewhere that shows the two breeds side by side, but I can't remember where.

Okay, thanks for the explaination.

Would have been good to see both side by side, maybe someone else will recall?

Btw


http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

Probably you have seen this before.

Got it first go

The Amstaff has had all the gameness bred out of it aswell. They look nothing like Staffords.

russdogmum wrote:did you get that with out clicking it Miss rogue?? I thought it was number 7!
but number 16 does have the stance of a bull more so.

I made this picture up when I was getting Russell so I could show my parents the differences, I just got the pics of google search so I'm hoping that they actually are the right breeds i searched for!

The real ABPT's are much leaner than those in your pics. The bottom once actually looks like an American Bully, a new breed that been developed over the last 20 years or so, not my cup of tea but there you go.

yeah actually I saw them on here the other day, hadn't heard of them before till then, but this was just something I mocked up quick to show my parents (who werre thinking I was getting myself into a vicious ugly dog.) needless to say they have since changed their opinions and love Russ to bits

ok you put me up to a challenge and I have done it - all from breeders web pages so if they are not right then its the dodgy breeders!
sad that I couldnt find any other than staffys and pups without cropped ears :-<

they really all do look so similar other than SBT. but you can see the legs get thicker from the amstaff to the bully

What's with the cropping of the ears?

That is a big US thing, and they do it with boxers, doberman's, etc, as well.

I just think it makes them look more aggressive.

they look horrible with cropped ears don't they.. I would like to crop the ears of the people that do that to them !!

russdogmum wrote:did you get that with out clicking it Miss rogue?? I thought it was number 7!
but number 16 does have the stance of a bull more so.

I made this picture up when I was getting Russell so I could show my parents the differences, I just got the pics of google search so I'm hoping that they actually are the right breeds i searched for!

the american pitbull you have poste look like more like ol skool american bully to me

american bulldogs ==> http://staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/americanbulldogphotos.html
american bullys ==> http://staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/americanbullyphotos.html
"real" american pitbull terriers ==> http://staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/americanpitbullterrierphotos.html
american staffy ==> http://staffy-bull-terrier.co.uk/americanstaffordshireterrierphotos.html

yeah they would look a lot friendlier with the proper floppy ears, they almost look like muscly labradors lol

vanessa wrote:

they look horrible with cropped ears don't they.. I would like to crop the ears of the people that do that to them !!

They do.

I would imagine it is not a legal procedure here.

When people think of pitbull most think huge well shocking dog but real pitbuls are not like that.

And when you see these type the size of bull with veins poping out walking around they not pit or staffy they just crossbreeds with number of other breeds.

Steve wrote:When people think of pitbull most think huge well shocking dog but real pitbuls are not like that.
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I know, but such is the power of suggestion, from the tabloid press.

I would personally consider having one, if I lived in the US, and there were not the hassles that you have here.

Imo, if you do all the same things you would with a Staff puppy, you would end up with a very nice dog.

Sure, unsocialised, and in the wrong hands, that can spell trouble, but imo a Rhodesian Ridgeback (for example), could likely do as much damage as any 'Pitbull', if it were in the wrong hands.

we had american staffordshire terrier & staffordshire bull terrier breeder & they the yhad a great photos of the 2 breeds together

Steve wrote:we had american staffordshire terrier & staffordshire bull terrier breeder & they the yhad a great photos of the 2 breeds together

Am Staffs quite a bit taller then, aside from all else.

I thought the clipping of the ears was for fighting purposes? Less ear for the other dog to get hold of ? =(

yea it was

Steve wrote:yea it was

Lovely =/ The deliberate mutilation of a living feeling animal for monetary gain. Sad pathetic people they should have it done back to them =(

Even with dobermans?

where does tail docking come from?

Amipopzzz wrote:I thought the clipping of the ears was for fighting purposes? Less ear for the other dog to get hold of ? =(

Maybe, but I have also seen it, just as a thing to do.

There is a boxer in the US I've seen, a guidedog no less, and it had clipped ears.

Amipopzzz wrote:

Steve wrote:yea it was

Lovely =/ The deliberate mutilation of a living feeling animal for monetary gain. Sad pathetic people they should have it done back to them =(

Even with dobermans?

where does tail docking come from?

It was most often done on dogs that would hunt, among other things, so that the tail would not be damaged.

It is now illegal entirely in Scotland, and in England & Wales, I believe it is illegal with exclusions.

I could tell a quality staffordshire bull terrier to any other breed I think they are unique

So, have we all agreed if Am Staffs are really Pit Bulls, or are they two distinctive breeds? Someone said they were one and the same, on this thread, but I am also seeing pics of both breeds, and they seem a bit different?

Ti Amo Edinburgh wrote:So, have we all agreed if Am Staffs are really Pit Bulls, or are they two distinctive breeds? Someone said they were one and the same, on this thread, but I am also seeing pics of both breeds, and they seem a bit different?

I think Am staffs are not pit bulls but some breeders will call pit bulls am staffs to get around bans but both breeds are not recognised in great britain.
There are many different looking staffys around put them side by side you will see big differences, its the same thing in my opinion

gem wrote:

Ti Amo Edinburgh wrote:So, have we all agreed if Am Staffs are really Pit Bulls, or are they two distinctive breeds? Someone said they were one and the same, on this thread, but I am also seeing pics of both breeds, and they seem a bit different?

I think Am staffs are not pit bulls but some breeders will call pit bulls am staffs to get around bans but both breeds are not recognised in great britain.
There are many different looking staffys around put them side by side you will see big differences, its the same thing in my opinion

That cleared that up

Ti Amo Edinburgh wrote:

gem wrote:

Ti Amo Edinburgh wrote:So, have we all agreed if Am Staffs are really Pit Bulls, or are they two distinctive breeds? Someone said they were one and the same, on this thread, but I am also seeing pics of both breeds, and they seem a bit different?

I think Am staffs are not pit bulls but some breeders will call pit bulls am staffs to get around bans but both breeds are not recognised in great britain.
There are many different looking staffys around put them side by side you will see big differences, its the same thing in my opinion

That cleared that up

In other words there is good breeding to type and bad breeding (changing the look of the dog)

i think they are pitbull but with a real standard, with pit's alot of people have a different opinion on how they should look

a lot of the time here you see "american bulldog in the paper" I went to look at them with a friend and you could tell the parents were definitely not American bulldogs, thats the cover up for pitbull type dogs here

Ti Amo Edinburgh wrote:

It was most often done on dogs that would hunt, among other things, so that the tail would not be damaged.

It is now illegal entirely in Scotland, and in England & Wales, I believe it is illegal with exclusions.

Thanks =D

During the "Great Depression of the 1930's" the American Kennel Club added American Pit Bull Terriers to their registry under the name of Staffordshire Terriers.
If you look under the history tab at this link you will see the American pit bull terrier that set the standard for the AKC staffordshire terrier.http://www.colbypitbull.com/
The Colby pit bull is known world wide and is still breed to the highest standard.The current trend in the states has distorted this standard into a breed now known as the American pit bull or American bully these dogs look nothing like the true bloodline standards intended by the colby's and have become a mutant looking dog with an overage of muscle to size as the typical American carries there ego with this breed.

Amipopzzz wrote:

Ti Amo Edinburgh wrote:

It was most often done on dogs that would hunt, among other things, so that the tail would not be damaged.

It is now illegal entirely in Scotland, and in England & Wales, I believe it is illegal with exclusions.

Thanks =D

No problem, Amy.

Steve