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Post by peppa Fri Feb 13 2015, 19:50

I took peppa and Louis the Frenchie pup (3.5 months only) to a socialising/walk in the closest park - the one where I had the incidents before as its the closest and he's very young they were 2 jrt * scared of peppa yapping and barking so I took them to a quiet corner where there was nobody .we were playing with the ball and happily minding our own business in   a secluded place but not where they are allowed off-lead and then come old geezer with ugly staffy cross on a lead And started having a go at me why are they off lead I explained its a puppy in training and asked him politely not to approach us next thing he comes to us! I was just throwing the ball when Louis ran towards his dog that growled at him viciously I ran towards him but pups was faster and started an attack on his dog he picked it up and she started sorrounding him in circles very fast and jumping and trying to grab the dog I was trying to catch her and he was shouting and swearing at me (*, *, *) I told him to watch his mouth  took peppa and Louis and left.
Peppa has the best temperament ever but when she goes she does go the thing is she's working with me and believe its her job to defend the other dogs especially a pup . The day before another dog tried to mount one of mine and she chased him away so I can't be angry with her .  Can you stop your dogs with command when they are in a fight (off-lead) ?what should I do? That was the 1st time peppa seriously attacked other dog although for a reason I hope the last but I just knew it when I asked him to avoid us hell caus trouble I hate to be right sometimes. Idiots


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Post by -Ian- Fri Feb 13 2015, 21:10

I've seen this defensive behaviour from my Flo Lily. I walk with a friend who has a rug rat thing and a few weeks back it was being bothered by a GSD, Flo was straight over to tell the GSD off. It's strange because Flo & my friends dog aren't best buddies but rub along just fine.

As for calling away from a scrap, well that would require supreme recall as when they are in that state of mind virtually nothing will distract them. I'm sure it can be achieved with constant training but I think the best course of action is to avoid that sort of situation if at all possible (easy to say after the event).
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Post by Rachel33 Fri Feb 13 2015, 23:17

Brief reply, but as Ian has said you need to prevent this from happening by keeping her under control - a long line sounds like a suitable restraint so that she can still have some freedom, but can't be attacking another dog. A muzzle if she's still trying to fight. The more they fight, the better they get at it! It will become a learnt response. Protective or not, that's not going to hold up in court when somebody reports Peppa for a fight with their dog. Understand that you walk in high dog population areas, but Peppa has gotten into a fair few fights recently? There's no command really to stop a fight, prevention is your best bet.
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Post by JStaff Sat Feb 14 2015, 05:10

I agree on the long lead. We also use a pet corrector spray for Suki if her play starts to get too rough
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Post by Kathy Sat Feb 14 2015, 14:05

I always carry a can of the pet corrector spray to spray at anyones dog that should hurt Rocky. Rocky is always kept on a lead either long extender (5m) or short (120cm length). Would always avoid the other dogs in the first place. Do you have any other walks/quiet areas you could go on to avoid other dogs ?

Busy parks always seem to get me stressed to begin with anyway so avoid them. Do much better in quieter areas without any stress/halfwit walkers.
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Post by peppa Sat Feb 14 2015, 14:27

I trust peppa everywhere and love taking her with me to work she's not aggressive at all but will warn other dogs when misbehaving to our dogs. She's 15 months now very well trained and till yesterday had only 2 fights when she was attacked and defended herself so a muzzle is completely unnecessary and harmful I might just leave the lead on her so she has freedom but it will be easier for me to grab the lead then her.
The spray sounds like a good idea maybe you can send me the link Kathy?
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Post by JStaff Sat Feb 14 2015, 14:31

I think there are a few different companies with a similar product. It's just a blast of compressed air but works very well. We had to use one at the dog park just last week to stop a fight.

http://www.petco.com/product/109946/The-Company-of-Animals-Pet-Corrector.aspx
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Post by Kathy Sat Feb 14 2015, 14:34

Same thing from Pets at Home:

http://www.petsathome.com/shop/en/pets/pet-corrector-200ml-%28online-only%29
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Post by peppa Sat Feb 14 2015, 14:45

Thanks for that. Did it actually worked on another dog in case of agression?
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Post by Guest Sat Feb 14 2015, 17:16

You don't need me to tell you this, but what you know to be defensive isn't necessarily going to be seen like that by others. Sadly, the first sight of a staffie is enough for many to make up their minds even your dog has done nothing at all!

My concern for you is that you could have an incident like this one, and then someone says 'yeah, she's done that before', and before you know it you have an 'aggressive dog' label slapped on you, followed by a control order. I know it's a pain but it does sound like a long lead might be the way to go.

On the pet correctors, they can work but some dogs don't react to them especially if they're in the red zone. It's probably worth having one with you but I wouldn't like to rely on it entirely.


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Post by Rachel33 Sat Feb 14 2015, 17:44

Agree entirely with Liz. And whilst pet corrector can be useful for some things, it's never worked for me in a fight. Obviously in kennels whilst assessing a dogs social skills we occasionally had a scuffle - once or twice we had quite a bit more than a scuffle - we tried a number of things; water, hose pipes, collar twists, pet corrector, clanging bowls together, breaking sticks, commands.. The list goes on. Dog fights are dangerous - you shouldn't really be intervening in the first place - best to avoid at all costs. A muzzle can be a useful tool when interacting with new or unknown dogs - it's simply a safety measure and doesn't mean that your dog is aggressive. I use them in training/ socialization all of the time.
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Post by ditchy76 Mon Feb 16 2015, 12:50

I think I must be very lucky as Cooper is the opposite. He will run up to another dog, get about 5 yards away and comes running back.
Last week in one of the parks we go to he actually got chased by three pugs of all things, it was actually quite funny watching these tiny dogs giving Cooper a run for his money.
I agree with whats been said about keeping on a lead, once they go like that with another dog it's very hard to give a command that will actually work.
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Post by Bane Mon Feb 16 2015, 22:05

It's a shame that it has had to happen again. I would agree that a long line would be best to keep that extra bit of control of her. You don't want it becoming a regular behaviour, as it could develop into worse problems.

And a muzzle isn't a mean thing. It may not look attractive or friendly, but it may be the safest way to go with some dogs.
There's a GSD type cross that goes to our park and I have never seen it without a muzzle, but every time I see it it's having the time of it's life chasing it's ball around.
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